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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:20 PM EST
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Fascinating how some here always want to believe the unlikely scenario over the overwhelmingly likely one in cases like these. A fire started in the direct location where heavy construction was being performed. The fire is burning a building and property that is heavily secured with checkpoints, and searches of person, and property. Yet the likely cause for some is a terrorist or arsonist. I’m Not saying it’s not possible it wasn’t just an accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:21 PM EST
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An often overlooken historical fact about Jesus is that he was actually 90 feet tall and it took every tree in the middle east to build his crucifix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you took all the supposed pieces of the cross there have been throughout history, you could rebuild Notre Dame with them. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:43 PM EST
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Wonder if someone set it... /s |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:29:47 PM EST
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IT'S TOO SOON TO SPECULATE! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posting this again so people don't miss it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack/ar-BBVT5nJ They just sentenced someone for a prior plot to burn the place. One of three women allegedly involved in a foiled plot in 2016 to blow up a car packed with gas canisters near the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris was on Friday sentenced to eight years in prison by a French court for earlier 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you lost yours without firing a shot. Glass houses and all that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh look Martha, it is the Baghdad news minister........er........Swedish news........wait.......nevermind it is just the swede1986 |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:17 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:21 PM EST
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It also happened on the one month anniversary of the New Zealand mosque attack. The Mosque massacre occurred on 3/15, today is 4/15. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. Not saying they did it, not dismissing that as a possibility either. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:25 PM EST
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:41 PM EST
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Fireboat on the Seine? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIs Mike Wolfe in Paris on a pick?
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:41 PM EST
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The people pulling out "Occam's Razor" clearly don't understand what it means in the context of a 900 year old building, French attachment to historical infrastructure, the French engineering mindset, and recent events. Laughable failures at critical thinking and application.
The only way this is a "renovation accident" that blew past redundant procedures and safeguards, is if the management culture charged with preserving Parisian monuments has caved to the sacrifice of trading competence and oversight for diversity. Which would also tell you something. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:30:42 PM EST
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:22 PM EST
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I hope a LOT of thought was put into determining if that renovation was necessary to sustain the building or not. Because the cost, assuming the an accident from the reno caused this, was evidently not worth it. Unless the building was going to collapse, they apparently had no business doing stuff to it. Given that like a quarter of younger people in France are Muslim, it's possible that a Muslim construction worker on the project could have done it on purpose. I'm cynical and lean towards this not being a mistake. It's a darn shame. I remember seeing it in person a few years ago. Such a cool building. Never got to go inside. It was also cool seeing French soldiers with Famas's. Their were groups marching around on patrols. It's unfortunate they've already imported their enemy and put'em on welfare. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:26 PM EST
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With all the previous attempts and the stated intention to burn it down before Easter, occams razor pretty much comes into play here and points in only one direction.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:29 PM EST
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This thread is quickly spiraling out of control.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:39 PM EST
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:46 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:49 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:31:58 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:32:46 PM EST
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How many buildings in Paris? This is the one that goes up?
we will see. I am 70% convinced it was deliberate. Destroying non-muslim religious places and artifacts is classic islam. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:32:56 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:07 PM EST
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Get on board loser. No one cares about facts, evidence, basic objectivity, the exercise of logic or common decency anymore. And worse, we all know the media is gonna LIE to us anyway. And if the outrage furthers the anti roper and anti immigrant narrative, why stop it? This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:26 PM EST
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The Belgians rebuilt the Cloth Hall in 1919. The French can rebuild Notre Dame in 2019. It won’t ever be the same, but I think it should be a national imperative to try.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:40 PM EST
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Incalculable loss. I'm utterly stunned.
I hope they saved what they could of the artwork and treasures. It survived for centuries with lanterns and torches. I find it very difficult to believe this was an accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:44 PM EST
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Do you know how much wood was in there? And how old and dry it was? Just dropping a match here and there and walking away would have caused this. No accelerant needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? Typically tar is stored in large, very hot vats. Couldn't the failure of one of those vats (accidental or intentional) basically napalm the roof? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Please be kind and courteous if you are a Christian. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:54 PM EST
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This is my thinking as well. As much as we like to make fun of the French for being cheese-eating surrender monkeys, they do have a long history of very effective special forces. And they've "taken care of problems" in the past with very direct and clear results. If this is ROP related, the French people will go beserk. Observe the protests that have gone on for the past few months with the yellow jacket people. If the people find something to motivate them, I wouldn't want to be on the bad guys team. We visited 3 years ago and climbed the towers. It's an incredibly beautiful building. The architecture is amazing. This is a sad day. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:33:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure every Muslim worker on the jobsite was frisked daily for any means of starting a fire too. I’m Not saying it’s not possible it wasn’t just an accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:34:14 PM EST
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DO NOT troll this thread. Find some other thread for silly jokes and trolling.
Please and Thank You. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:34:37 PM EST
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A war that’s still ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:34:41 PM EST
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The people pulling out "Occam's Razor" clearly don't understand what it means in the context of a 900 year old building, French attachment to historical infrastructure, the French engineering mindset, and recent events. Laughable failures at critical thinking and application. The only way this is a "renovation accident" that blew past redundant procedures and safeguards, is if the management culture charged with preserving Parisian monuments has caved to the sacrifice of trading competence and oversight for diversity. Which would also tell you something. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:34:52 PM EST
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This thread is quickly spiraling out of control. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:35:02 PM EST
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Fascinating how some here always want to believe the unlikely scenario over the overwhelmingly likely one in cases like these. A fire started in the direct location where heavy construction was being performed. The fire is burning a building and property that is heavily secured with checkpoints, and searches of person, and property. Yet the likely cause for some is a terrorist or arsonist. Didn't something similar happen at Windsor castle in the 90's? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:35:23 PM EST
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This thread is quickly spiraling out of control. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:35:29 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:35:31 PM EST
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Damn sad.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:04 PM EST
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Fox News: YOU CAN'T SAY IT WAS TERRORISM! IT'S TOO SOON TO SPECULATE! Also Fox News: The irony here being that with the church under renovation to save it, and if indeed it was part of the renovation efforts which caused the fire, then it would be the supreme irony that the efforts to save the church destroyed the church, if was indeed the renovation efforts which caused the fire. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:06 PM EST
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Considering 1984 was a story about government tyranny, your metaphor is quite a stretch. Let me know when any Western government starts telling its citizens to blame Islam. Usually they tell the proles the exact opposite, Brave New World style. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:09 PM EST
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News story just reported that many paintings and pieces of artwork WERE in fact removed and saved. (I think it was an interview with the deputy mayor of Paris). |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:17 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:22 PM EST
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A war that’s still ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:36:31 PM EST
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ROP'ers |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:10 PM EST
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Was this drone photo already posted?
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol and what, exactly, is SWEDEN doing to fight radical Islam? Actually...what has Sweden contributed to the world's stage in recent years in general? Can you even own an AR15? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:12 PM EST
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Well then, I guess we'll just have to make sure that it's not ROP related, even if it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is my thinking as well. As much as we like to make fun of the French for being cheese-eating surrender monkeys, they do have a long history of very effective special forces. And they've "taken care of problems" in the past with very direct and clear results. If this is ROP related, the French people will go beserk. Observe the protests that have gone on for the past few months with the yellow jacket people. If the people find something to motivate them, I wouldn't want to be on the bad guys team. We visited 3 years ago and climbed the towers. It's an incredibly beautiful building. The architecture is amazing. This is a sad day. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:14 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:34 PM EST
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WELP.... I forsee this thread being locked soon........
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the original plans still exist so it can be rebuilt exactly.  |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 3:37:49 PM EST
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Milwaukee lost Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in almost the exact same circumstances.
Repair work was being done to the roof which started on fire. 
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