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Why am I forced to listen to some priest in New York ramble about this?
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The people getting heated over the religious comments are equally bad or worse. Please be kind and courteous if you are a Christian. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I keep seeing time 1840 referenced as the fire's start time. Is it the actual start time or just the moment smoke was first observed outside the cathedral? There's a difference.
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Not an expert on fires, but I thought this would be out by now... View Quote Those French firefighters are going to be there all week. |
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I would hazard a guess that tar is a part of whatever roofing was on the place. Judging by the scaffolding they were doing repairs to the roof. Typically tar is stored in large, very hot vats. Couldn't the failure of one of those vats (accidental or intentional) basically napalm the roof? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? Typically tar is stored in large, very hot vats. Couldn't the failure of one of those vats (accidental or intentional) basically napalm the roof? |
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We're not insane, thanks. We, along with the President are not experts. Everyone is just spitballing, because this is so horrific. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It will have to burn itself out. It's that intense. All the folks calling for air drops are insane. Helicopters are great for spot fire suppression, but a few hundred gallons of water would evaporate before it even hit the ground. You might as well piss on it. Airtankers are fairly rare, highly specialized, and need lots of support. If they are nearby it can still take hours to plan, fill, and fly them to wildfires. Dumping one in the middle of a crowded city could collapse structures and kill people. The best that can be hoped for is to keep the fire from spreading to other structures. We, along with the President are not experts. Everyone is just spitballing, because this is so horrific. |
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How many buildings in Paris? This is the one that goes up? we will see. I am 70% convinced it was deliberate. Destroying non-muslim religious places and artifacts is classic islam. View Quote |
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The old cathedrals use lead sheet roofing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? Typically tar is stored in large, very hot vats. Couldn't the failure of one of those vats (accidental or intentional) basically napalm the roof? |
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Yep. Catholic relics are all suspect IMHO. But I'm not going to dispute the faithful, particularly if it teaches the saxon how to hate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals.
If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Get on board loser. No one cares about facts, evidence, basic objectivity, the exercise of logic or common decency anymore. And worse, we all know the media is gonna LIE to us anyway. And if the outrage furthers the anti roper and anti immigrant narrative, why stop it? This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. |
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A dumb ass workman started a similar fire that destroyed the New England version of Notre Dame in 1982.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_de_Lourdes_Church_ |
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Lol and what, exactly, is SWEDEN doing to fight radical Islam? Actually...what has Sweden contributed to the world's stage in recent years in general? Can you even own an AR15? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Just like you guys did after Boston Marathon, Ft Hood, Orlando etc. etc. Actually...what has Sweden contributed to the world's stage in recent years in general? Can you even own an AR15? |
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DU RÄTTER INTE EN KRAP I DEN BLÅA CUPBOARDEN.
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Job security for union stone masons for the next 1,000 years.
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I was talking about group think in GD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Did you miss what went on over there the last 4 weeks or so? Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. So we have one fact supporting the "accident" theory. We have no facts supporting the ROP theory. Conclusion - we don't have enough info. But the endless posts blaming the ROPers doesn't do much except make us look like paranoid morons. Don't get me wrong, I have zero love for ROPers, and I'm not saying its not possible they didn't do this. But I'd like for at least SOME evidence before I point fingers. This is Orwells 2 Minutes of hate at its best. Criticizing the counterculture for groupthink when the dominant culture also engages in groupthink is rather meaningless. |
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Drone shot just taken of the interior of the building from overhead; https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG View Quote |
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What a tragedy. Beautiful building that my family had the chance to visit a few times. A piece of history gone. I hope it was indeed an accident and not something worse.
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How many buildings in Paris? This is the one that goes up? we will see. I am 70% convinced it was deliberate. Destroying non-muslim religious places and artifacts is classic islam. View Quote |
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Quoted: Yup. Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. View Quote Notre Dame took 200 years to build. It's hard for us to fathom that generations of craftsmen worked on those cathedrals. People literally worked their entire lives and never saw the completed building. |
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View Quote Now I get why French authorities are saying they might not be able to save it. |
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Everybody is on the same page. This is what happens when you burn down the foundations of rationalism and objectivity and replace it with high emotional intelligence. Identity politics is the coin of the realm. . Pick a side. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow... |
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Drone shot just taken of the interior of the building from overhead; https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG View Quote |
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Wasn't that a sweedish proverb, you just took a crap in the cupboard, as in you really did it this time? fuck muh google translate sucks.
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Not buying the workman thing. They have worked on it in the past.
I putting my money on diversity. |
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That's good. I'm sure many pieces were able to be saved in the time they had. Of course, many amazing treasures were part of the structure itself or too large to move. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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News story just reported that many paintings and pieces of artwork WERE in fact removed and saved. (I think it was an interview with the deputy mayor of Paris). |
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Are they attached/sealed to one another with molten lead? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Other than the wood structure itself, what would act as an accelerant to make it burn so quickly as to be out of control? Sacramental wine? Beeswax candles? Jihadist fire bomb? Typically tar is stored in large, very hot vats. Couldn't the failure of one of those vats (accidental or intentional) basically napalm the roof? |
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