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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:08:32 PM EDT
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You guys really need to stop feeding this one! The more facts you post, the more he doubles down on bullshit. The signs are there if you look closely.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:10:39 PM EDT
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In other news, Skeeti probably will end up being correct soon. The latest trends do look like Ukrainian forces have almost been pushed out of the city proper.
Maybe when that happens, we can all have a big group hug!  |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In other news, Skeeti probably will end up being correct soon. The latest trends do look like Ukrainian forces have almost been pushed out of the city proper. Maybe when that happens, we can all have a big group hug! A prophet is always without honor in his own home. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In other news, Skeeti probably will end up being correct soon. The latest trends do look like Ukrainian forces have almost been pushed out of the city proper. Maybe when that happens, we can all have a big group hug!  |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oops, guess you guys were wrong!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Except he needs to be careful with his power plays since operating a PMC is against the Russian constitution. He's a dead man walking. At some point he will disappear. To that point
Oops, guess you guys were wrong! Which means everybody, even the Russians, except you agree Bakhmut hasn't fallen or mostly fallen. Cause if it had mostly fallen they could finish in the next few days. But even they know it hasn't. Makes your reluctance to concede being wrong even more hilarious. Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian media said it. The American CIA said it. Where did Putin say it? Or even a Russian government official? This is the argument made, and it is inaccurate. It is also completely irrelevant to the facts on the ground. It is a distraction and unimportant, yet repeated over and over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I out the quote from your image into a search. It returned this: https://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-russian-forces-could-take-kyiv-ukraine-two-days-2022-3 A link in that article led to this: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085155440/cia-director-putin-is-angry-and-frustrated-likely-to-double-down No one believed it would be a two day war, and no one can quote Putin, but can quote the Epstein buddy, CIA Director Burns. Russia has done grinding wars forever and now because a talking head says "Two days" hyperbole, we are to believe Russia thought it mastered Blitzkreig?  My only point is that the continued argument that Putin said: " Two days!" is a silly distraction. The Russians said it The Americans said it That means the Russians didn’t say it? The Russian media said it. The American CIA said it. Where did Putin say it? Or even a Russian government official? This is the argument made, and it is inaccurate. It is also completely irrelevant to the facts on the ground. It is a distraction and unimportant, yet repeated over and over. The Russian media are Russian government officials and Putin is the Russian government so... |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Let's see, Russia has pretty much dedicated itself to creating chaos and undermining us everywhere in the world, including inside our own borders." - I don't necessarily disagreed with this statement however at this point I don't see Russia as a conventual threat, meaning they couldn't beat NATO/US in a conventual war. With that said, we aren't ready to fight WWIII, especially under the leadership of the Biden administration. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on a corrupt country that has no vital interest to us. We're gonna need those resources for our upcoming war with China. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." A reporter or some kind of spokesperson? TBH, I don't really care! No offense, Sketti - but a post like this REALLY makes it look like your entire purpose for this thread is trolling.  Right, cause not knowing who someone is is trolling!  Go back and read my OP, what do you think my overall concern was when I posted the thread? Hint, it was OUR involvement in a war that's none of our business by the incompetent Biden administration.Let's see, Russia has pretty much dedicated itself to creating chaos and undermining us everywhere in the world, including inside our own borders. They are working hard to destroy us, but you feel fighting back is none of our business. Biden's incompetence was not giving the Ukrainians everything they needed for a quick win. They should have had long range missiles and tanks a year ago. "Let's see, Russia has pretty much dedicated itself to creating chaos and undermining us everywhere in the world, including inside our own borders." - I don't necessarily disagreed with this statement however at this point I don't see Russia as a conventual threat, meaning they couldn't beat NATO/US in a conventual war. With that said, we aren't ready to fight WWIII, especially under the leadership of the Biden administration. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on a corrupt country that has no vital interest to us. We're gonna need those resources for our upcoming war with China. We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which means everybody, even the Russians, except you agree Bakhmut hasn't fallen or mostly fallen. Cause if it had mostly fallen they could finish in the next few days. But even they know it hasn't. Makes your reluctance to concede being wrong even more hilarious. Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Except he needs to be careful with his power plays since operating a PMC is against the Russian constitution. He's a dead man walking. At some point he will disappear. To that point
Oops, guess you guys were wrong! Which means everybody, even the Russians, except you agree Bakhmut hasn't fallen or mostly fallen. Cause if it had mostly fallen they could finish in the next few days. But even they know it hasn't. Makes your reluctance to concede being wrong even more hilarious. Thanks! Appreantly my joke on this particular post was missed. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:36:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." A reporter or some kind of spokesperson? TBH, I don't really care! No offense, Sketti - but a post like this REALLY makes it look like your entire purpose for this thread is trolling. Right, cause not knowing who someone is is trolling! Go back and read my OP, what do you think my overall concern was when I posted the thread? Hint, it was OUR involvement in a war that's none of our business by the incompetent Biden administration.Let's see, Russia has pretty much dedicated itself to creating chaos and undermining us everywhere in the world, including inside our own borders. They are working hard to destroy us, but you feel fighting back is none of our business. Biden's incompetence was not giving the Ukrainians everything they needed for a quick win. They should have had long range missiles and tanks a year ago. "Let's see, Russia has pretty much dedicated itself to creating chaos and undermining us everywhere in the world, including inside our own borders." - I don't necessarily disagreed with this statement however at this point I don't see Russia as a conventual threat, meaning they couldn't beat NATO/US in a conventual war. With that said, we aren't ready to fight WWIII, especially under the leadership of the Biden administration. We shouldn't be wasting our resources on a corrupt country that has no vital interest to us. We're gonna need those resources for our upcoming war with China. We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? Well think about this, if Russia is actually getting their asses handed to them (like people are claiming they are) do you think Putin is crazy enough to try to take on NATO? I don't think he's that dumb. However, if you think he would be that crazy then you would have to concede that he would be willing to use nukes when his shit gets pushed in by NATO. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 4:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 6:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. Well at least you have your priorities straight! 
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian media are Russian government officials and Putin is the Russian government so... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I out the quote from your image into a search. It returned this: https://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-russian-forces-could-take-kyiv-ukraine-two-days-2022-3 A link in that article led to this: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085155440/cia-director-putin-is-angry-and-frustrated-likely-to-double-down No one believed it would be a two day war, and no one can quote Putin, but can quote the Epstein buddy, CIA Director Burns. Russia has done grinding wars forever and now because a talking head says "Two days" hyperbole, we are to believe Russia thought it mastered Blitzkreig? My only point is that the continued argument that Putin said: " Two days!" is a silly distraction. The Russians said it The Americans said it That means the Russians didn’t say it? The Russian media said it. The American CIA said it. Where did Putin say it? Or even a Russian government official? This is the argument made, and it is inaccurate. It is also completely irrelevant to the facts on the ground. It is a distraction and unimportant, yet repeated over and over. The Russian media are Russian government officials and Putin is the Russian government so... So quoting Russian media/government/Putin IS acceptable, when they say something you(not you personally) agree with. That is NOT what I have been reading........  EDIT: Grammar |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:39:03 PM EDT
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We can all agree Putin never briefed us on his war plan.
We should all be able to agree that how things played out indicates one of their objectives was the immediate capture of Kyiv. I'll be surprised if no one agrees that Russia over estimated their own capabilities. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:39:14 PM EDT
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This whole Bakhmut thing has been awesome. A slows stratragic (I made that term up) withdrawal leaving compromised/mapped/mined positions left for the invaders almost doubling the usual invader/defender costs ratio. The Russians have been suckered into this for 6 months and have not figured it out yet.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No offense, Sketti - but a post like this REALLY makes it look like your entire purpose for this thread is trolling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." A reporter or some kind of spokesperson? TBH, I don't really care! No offense, Sketti - but a post like this REALLY makes it look like your entire purpose for this thread is trolling. Are you telling me you don't drag out 50 page threads every day responding to people about something you don't care about.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 7:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. Well technically most people in Eropue are Nordic after centuries of rape and plunder ... |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 9:13:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0647-2806327.jpg sorry for the bad news OP...  Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city."  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 9:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0647-2806327.jpg sorry for the bad news OP... Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG “Reported” by whom? |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 9:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Reported" by whom? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0647-2806327.jpg sorry for the bad news OP... Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG "Reported" by whom? Same place I've been getting the info from. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 11:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. Like I said, it ends with Sweden.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 11:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG Huh, this looks familiar  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 11:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same place I've been getting the info from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Prigozhin announces that the Wagner Group will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10th." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0647-2806327.jpg sorry for the bad news OP... Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG "Reported" by whom? Same place I've been getting the info from. Are you REALLY surprised by the trolling accusations? |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 12:12:42 AM EDT
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So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate.
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Posted: 5/6/2023 12:23:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG Huh, this looks familiar https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67160/03_jpg-2807277.JPG Umm, ok
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Posted: 5/6/2023 12:26:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm, ok Friendly fire.
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:04:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, seems like the Wagner guys are leaving Bakhmut through the Ukrainian forces, odd way to stand down! Reported within the last hour "Russian forces have advanced further in the north of the city." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807133.JPG |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:04:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoes Russia have the forces and equipment for that? |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:10:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate. Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:20:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. Yeah, hard to think how little value they'd have to place on their infantry to come to that conclusion but it's Russia so.. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate. Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:32:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate. Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). Don't worry. They aren't. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:46:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. The battle of the bulge bled out the American forces, didn’t it? |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:52:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). The Ukrainians are brave, but they are no professional army. Some of them are quite skilled I'm sure. It's amazing that they are achieving 2 to 1, but that's not even close to winning. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:53:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The battle of the bulge bled out the American forces, didn’t it? Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 1:56:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 2:04:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. Nobody knows these things but you. To the rest of us it's all just way up there North and cold. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 2:21:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 3:13:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. Scandinavian women are too busy cheating on their boyfriends and husbands with the migrants. Tons of it..so go figure they like the wang to be a bit .....bigger.
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Posted: 5/6/2023 3:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The battle of the bulge bled out the American forces, didn’t it? Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Remember when we weren't seeing any western equipment on the front line? I bet you were saying it was all sold because they're corrupt. Then we did see the western equipment on the front line, and suddenly Russia lost half of the gains they had made? I still haven't seen a bradley, stryker, challenger, or leo on the front line. I wonder what all that kit they've been getting since the end of their last counter offensive is doing right now. I wonder if we'll see it on the battlefield eventually.
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Posted: 5/6/2023 3:40:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. "15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger." - Yeah, not really seeing that but ok..  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 5:55:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger." - Yeah, not really seeing that but ok.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807394.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. "15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger." - Yeah, not really seeing that but ok.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807394.JPG well factually they are several times over stronger than the start of the war. from all the weapons given from the west, and all the armor russia donated to ukraine retreating during the khakiv offensive last year. (which russia became the biggest supplier to ukraine out of all the countrys combined, lol). so yes they are VERY much stronger. russia has lost all there combat experienced brigades. and they are bringing out 50 year old tanks out of storage. no way you can argue that Ukraine is not stronger. you can say it sure, but you would be wrong. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 6:06:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. All those people look alike to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We will just have to disagree on that. Russia, and more particularly the nations Russia threatens all around the world, are a vital interest. We also have a vital interest in the precedent of resisting imperialism - China is definitely watching. As for WW3 if we let Putin play that card every time he wants to take over another country, where does it end? Georgia? Moldova? Poland? Finland? Germany? As far as I am concerned it ends at Finland. You start threatening Scandinavian women and I am ready to go to war. For the record, Finland is not part of Scandinavia.. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian. All those people look alike to me. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:20:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling if Russia ever took control of 99% of Ukraine, there would still be the same guys saying that the remaining 1% is a victory due to Russian attrition and casualties along the way. Just like Bakhmut is a Uke win, regardless of losing it. Russia is inept but wait for it.....they will take Europe if not stopped here. They've developed in their minds a way for any outcome to be in Ukraine's benefit. Very bizarre stuff. Ukraine is a big country. Much like that "if." |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:27:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said “SMO”! lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Except that an emboldened Russia seizing resources from Ukraine is actually counter to our strategic interest. Discouraging wars of territorial expansion in general is also a strategic interest. Russia has stated its goals for this SMO. Generally, the US is the one stealing resources. The US has exactly zero legitimate interest in this war. Our interest is, once again regime change, and overthrowing Putin because he wants Russia to remain independent. And of course, the money laundering/corruption that wars are known for. You said “SMO”! lol Really sums up a lot here. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:40:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well factually they are several times over stronger than the start of the war. from all the weapons given from the west, and all the armor russia donated to ukraine retreating during the khakiv offensive last year. (which russia became the biggest supplier to ukraine out of all the countrys combined, lol). so yes they are VERY much stronger. russia has lost all there combat experienced brigades. and they are bringing out 50 year old tanks out of storage. no way you can argue that Ukraine is not stronger. you can say it sure, but you would be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. "15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger." - Yeah, not really seeing that but ok.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807394.JPG well factually they are several times over stronger than the start of the war. from all the weapons given from the west, and all the armor russia donated to ukraine retreating during the khakiv offensive last year. (which russia became the biggest supplier to ukraine out of all the countrys combined, lol). so yes they are VERY much stronger. russia has lost all there combat experienced brigades. and they are bringing out 50 year old tanks out of storage. no way you can argue that Ukraine is not stronger. you can say it sure, but you would be wrong. |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 8:40:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate. Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). Use basic military common sense applied to urban combat. Do you suffer more casualties in the attack or defense? How about by using Human Waves? Russia has been attacking Bakhmut for how many months? |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:02:12 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Use basic military common sense applied to urban combat. Do you suffer more casualties in the attack or defense? How about by using Human Waves? Russia has been attacking Bakhmut for how many months? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So after 9 months and a 5 figure death count i wonder how worth it Bakhmut is, or ever was. Guess we'll know sooner or later if these reports are accurate. Russia has also been bleeding out Ukrainians and their resources. What you see as a tragedy may be viewed as progress from a different perspective. With the way things appear to be going in Bakhmut one has to wonder if the leaked military documents were more on point than the claims that Russian forces were being annihilated (7 to 1). Use basic military common sense applied to urban combat. Do you suffer more casualties in the attack or defense? How about by using Human Waves? Russia has been attacking Bakhmut for how many months? Just curious, why do you even bother to ask me questions? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind engaging in a discussion but you're constantly calling me a troll and a liar so why waste your time talking to me? |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 10:15:18 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, so losing gound is a sign of strength and makes you stronger, good to know! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hi Save that comparison for the Ukrainian offensive, if they can even launch one. Russia says they can. They also scoffed last September and October but look what happened. 15 months later Russia is weaker with no goals accomplished. 15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger. "15 months later Ukraine is a lot stronger." - Yeah, not really seeing that but ok.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/FvZ2h8CXoAYwYWE_jpeg-2807394.JPG well factually they are several times over stronger than the start of the war. from all the weapons given from the west, and all the armor russia donated to ukraine retreating during the khakiv offensive last year. (which russia became the biggest supplier to ukraine out of all the countrys combined, lol). so yes they are VERY much stronger. russia has lost all there combat experienced brigades. and they are bringing out 50 year old tanks out of storage. no way you can argue that Ukraine is not stronger. you can say it sure, but you would be wrong. You do know bakhmut isn't the only area where there is fighting right??,  Since day one of this war Ukraine has took back more than what russia gained in the first month..you need to pay attention or learn basic math/geography. Russia has lost more land that they took since 15 months ago. So according to your own ideology of how this war is going Ukraine is fucking slaying russia. Taking 10 blocks of the 58th largest city in Ukraine over the course of 9 months is not considered "winning" lol |
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Posted: 5/6/2023 10:34:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious, why do you even bother to ask me questions? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind engaging in a discussion but you're constantly calling me a troll and a liar so why waste your time talking to me? He’s highlighting what might not be obvious to people who don’t know the material. Your argument isn’t swayed by logic or reality. |
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