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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:47:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are my enemy. You have chosen poorly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Saw it. Some thoughts… This is not a little kid’s movie, it’s a coming of age movie for Millennial and Elder Zoomer women. It pokes fun at a lot of tropes related to men and women of those generations. I viewed it much like a Loony Tunes short, Blazing Saddles, or a less raunchy American Pie. Realize that men are accessories in the film, just like in the Barbie toy universe. The “mother” was lost, unhappy, and unfulfilled by her career choice. The “daughter” was a middle schooler with all the typical mean girl judgements and sophomoric understanding of what goes on around her. Barbie lived in her own childlike world, both literally and figuratively. All three were stereotypical or “basic” archetypes. There’s a lot of satyr in the film. The male tropes stuck with me more than the female ones. I especially enjoyed the “let me explain it to you” moments related to the Porsche 356 and The Godfather. Then there were the soft references to The Holy Grail and the battle scene from 300… The Trans Barbie tries to give a Ken a beer. Barbie’s growing up included apologizing to Ken for taking him for granted, and sending him off to find himself. However she failed to take responsibility for her role keeping him “friend zoned.” I see that as a glaring failure for the film, but I also realize that I am not the target audience as I will never have need for a gynecologist. My family and I had conversation over dinner (parental guidance [how odd considering everyone involved is over 18 right?]) after the film. The topic was that the characterizations of most of the “people” were over-the-top amalgamations of bad behavior and glaring character flaws. However there were some truisms including that many cooperate boards still look like the one at “Mattel.” We discussed several of the whys, like Most executives like to surround themselves with people they are comfortable with, a collegial group. Those people typically don’t include “mavericks” or people from backgrounds that they don’t understand or relate to. Most everyone enjoys a certain degree of predictability. Further they also like people who wait their turn (an idea that is a hold over from post WW2 where junior officers spoke first in meetings which allowed senior leadership the opportunity to gauge the room and ideas presented before speaking themselves). Trump being a bit of an anomaly in that he liked adversarial advisors, among other things. It’s not a movie that I see myself or any of my family watching again. However, I was entertained. You literally supported the enemy.  Oh no a horrible betrayal of the culture war! If only he had watched 5 hours of podcasts about how it was wokism by someone surrounded by Funko pops and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Toys, then he would have surely known better. You are my enemy. You have chosen poorly. Oh no, I'm an enemy with someone that cheers on White genocide! The horror!  |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:49:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Born(or made)without a vagina and get one added is very pro-trans. LOL. I didn't see the movie but by this description it seems more like a girl becoming a woman, if in fact it means anything at all, which I think is the actuality. Also, little girls already know they have a vagina. That's what that body part is called. A vagina. It's not a curse word, it's a medical term. I assume ken didn't get a vagina. That would have earned the spell that everyone is having. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:06:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grown men going to see "Barbie", not with their daughters? fuckin' fags Closet homo. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:29:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm going to pause the film here for a moment - My opinion here, in a Barbie film? - Ken being a dope is canon  He's a side character, a literal accessory for her, and should have been so in the story.If he had more than 5 lines in the whole film, that's a "hmm" for me. Total 90s sitcom "romance" at best, she's a sassy sitcom wife, and he's a Homer Simpson who is more handsome. MAYBE he does one redeeming thing during the film that makes the audience go, "aww" and, "oh okay that's why she stands by him" - This 10,000% should be a girl power movie. Not like a Kathleen Kennedy cringe-feminism film, but TBH I expected a "Wonder Woman" 1 film (Gal Gadot). That ^ movie is a modern take on female empowerment, it even slips in a few feminist jokes, but otherwise "felt right" with no overt political terms/themes. Just my expectations, she should have been in a ton of different outfits all the time, as an embrace of style and being stylish. It's not shameful at all, and even less so in a Barbie film. Should it not have been PG13 - I think not. A soft PG13 with no adult themes and no politics/references to SCOTUS cases hollywood doesn't like, etc. I expected this ^ Not what we got. My hiccup is that the word patriarchy is even in it, the theme is in it - and when put with the long list of other political things in the film it's a piece of the puzzle HOWEVER I do see a point here If (let's say they made this with 90s sitcom feminism), Repeat the scene. Without the hamfisted other stuff, as a standalone scene, genuinely funny. It's workable - but once put next to the numerous other items, there's a moment of "hey... wait." Here's the hiccup I've got with it. The writers of this film are the man-hating "Feminism" variety. My contention is that we've gone past girl power and into woman supremacy* * unless it's a man in a wig (there's a trans actor in this film for lefty religious reasons, period.) Of course it's supposed to be about Barbie and the "girl team" so to speak! I point to Wonder Woman 1 as a good example of that. And my thing here is, I believe it's there. I think the Ben Shapiro review if you haven't seen it, might be a worthwhile watch That's totally wrong. First there's literally a tranny in it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/hari-nef-barbie-0d3fe9669ee8426482e02fe6-2895099.jpg "Oh damn I didn't know!" Yep and they're using that example to pretend that therefore, the whole TQAAIP+ movement is a free lunch and will be easy for society. And it portrays the ideas of picking a gender as normal, the term for this is "normalizing" something. For an impressionable child, they might accept this matter of factly when their purple haired art teacher brings it up in school. That's the point the writers of this movie are pushing. The "well barbie doesn't have parts, so if they go to the real worl-" The smoke screen worked. That's the careful wrapping paper. They "HAD TO" tell the story that way?  They didn't. They had an agenda, and a point to make, and they made it. Which I personally think is fine in the case of Barbie- in a barbie world there should be very few men period. They should be seen and not heard They make Barbies in every shape, outfit, and tone, "representation" would be 100% canon right? Another political element that shouldn't be in a kids film, which this IS, and should have been intended to be. Ben Shapiro's take is long but specific, my beefs with it are theme/story selection. They shouldn't have brought their hollywood politics into it, period. I'm sick of them doing this. Whether or not it "worked" I think can be debated, but whether or not it's there, I don't think so. The Tumblr brand "campus feminism" 3rd wave "Frustrationists" of today, are a woman's supremacy movement. The more you think about that, the more you realize that's true.  That's literally the cancer in Disney's Starwars creative team. Or as Douglas Murray would put it, "They seem to suggest that men and women are equal in all ways, except where women are somehow better." I just don't agree with this. And it shouldn't have been! It should have been pro-woman, my beef with it is that it's too political. For real, referencing Citizen's United? Cringe. Oh please neither are any of the people critiquing it - it's not made for men. It's that it's bitterly political adults pushing political messaging onto children. Pretending it's about hurt feelings (which is something you've brought up - but you're not REALLY accusing anyone of, I gotcha on that) is like calling something -phobic when it's not what's going on at all I could not IMAGINE an equivalent film being made today, with a flipped script.  With alllll the stuff reversed with the creative right foot buried into the pedal. In the name of equality, you could not make that film. While I have disagreements I so verymuch appreciate you taking the time to explain it. I think the Shapiro review might be a worthwhile watch for you - BUT in the end you might come to, "well okay I still feel how I feel about it, but I get the examples he's pointing at." And let me say about "Sound of Freedom", I didn't see it, but the fucking hysterics of the media over that movie was bizarre to watch Even weirder, the greybars here in this thread referencing it as if they said something? Jesus Christ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok, to me, I feel like a Barbie character saying or implying things like "Boys are stupid teehee" is pretty obviously a stereotype thats meant to poke fun at how naively simplistic little girls are. So I'm going to pause the film here for a moment - My opinion here, in a Barbie film? - Ken being a dope is canon He's a side character, a literal accessory for her, and should have been so in the story.If he had more than 5 lines in the whole film, that's a "hmm" for me. Total 90s sitcom "romance" at best, she's a sassy sitcom wife, and he's a Homer Simpson who is more handsome. MAYBE he does one redeeming thing during the film that makes the audience go, "aww" and, "oh okay that's why she stands by him" - This 10,000% should be a girl power movie. Not like a Kathleen Kennedy cringe-feminism film, but TBH I expected a "Wonder Woman" 1 film (Gal Gadot). That ^ movie is a modern take on female empowerment, it even slips in a few feminist jokes, but otherwise "felt right" with no overt political terms/themes. Just my expectations, she should have been in a ton of different outfits all the time, as an embrace of style and being stylish. It's not shameful at all, and even less so in a Barbie film. Should it not have been PG13 - I think not. A soft PG13 with no adult themes and no politics/references to SCOTUS cases hollywood doesn't like, etc. I expected this ^ Not what we got. OR when another says "I can have facts and emotions at the same time" blah blah blah... its pretty obviously tongue in cheek. If anything I would say its almost poking fun at feminism. Ryan Gosling at one point walks into a corporate headquarters and asks for a "high paying corporate job" and the guy says "ok, do you have your MBA?" and Ken is just shocked by this, after all, he was told the world is a patriarchy and men run everything just because we're men. My hiccup is that the word patriarchy is even in it, the theme is in it - and when put with the long list of other political things in the film it's a piece of the puzzle HOWEVER I do see a point here If (let's say they made this with 90s sitcom feminism), Repeat the scene. Without the hamfisted other stuff, as a standalone scene, genuinely funny. It's workable - but once put next to the numerous other items, there's a moment of "hey... wait." It definitely gives more ground to girls side of the gender war... but.. this might shock some of you... its a BARBIE movie! Here's the hiccup I've got with it. The writers of this film are the man-hating "Feminism" variety. My contention is that we've gone past girl power and into woman supremacy* * unless it's a man in a wig (there's a trans actor in this film for lefty religious reasons, period.) Of course it's supposed to be about Barbie and the "girl team" so to speak! I point to Wonder Woman 1 as a good example of that. I don't have a problem that this movie roots for girls and "women power". I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THAT SHIT SEEPS INTO FILMS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE IN. And my thing here is, I believe it's there. I think the Ben Shapiro review if you haven't seen it, might be a worthwhile watch There's no tranny shit, That's totally wrong. First there's literally a tranny in it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/hari-nef-barbie-0d3fe9669ee8426482e02fe6-2895099.jpg "Oh damn I didn't know!" Yep and they're using that example to pretend that therefore, the whole TQAAIP+ movement is a free lunch and will be easy for society. And it portrays the ideas of picking a gender as normal, the term for this is "normalizing" something. For an impressionable child, they might accept this matter of factly when their purple haired art teacher brings it up in school. That's the point the writers of this movie are pushing. The "well barbie doesn't have parts, so if they go to the real worl-" The smoke screen worked. That's the careful wrapping paper. They "HAD TO" tell the story that way? They didn't. They had an agenda, and a point to make, and they made it. there is some DEI shit if you wanna look at the 'diverse' crowd of Barbies in 'leadership' positions, Which I personally think is fine in the case of Barbie- in a barbie world there should be very few men period. They should be seen and not heard They make Barbies in every shape, outfit, and tone, "representation" would be 100% canon right? but none of its explicit, except for one jab at "White savior Barbie" Another political element that shouldn't be in a kids film, which this IS, and should have been intended to be. but again, that's just as much a critique of leftist white women who love to champion sjw bullshit as it is a racist remark. I think that almost everything that people are worked up about is all tongue in cheek, Ben Shapiro's take is long but specific, my beefs with it are theme/story selection. They shouldn't have brought their hollywood politics into it, period. I'm sick of them doing this. Whether or not it "worked" I think can be debated, but whether or not it's there, I don't think so. I don't think there was anyone in the theater not laughing at that shit, its pretty on the nose satire of how simplistic little girls see the world and not an endorsement of 3rd wave feminist bullshit. The Tumblr brand "campus feminism" 3rd wave "Frustrationists" of today, are a woman's supremacy movement. The more you think about that, the more you realize that's true. That's literally the cancer in Disney's Starwars creative team. Or as Douglas Murray would put it, "They seem to suggest that men and women are equal in all ways, except where women are somehow better." It's in there, but its a Barbie movie and it's funny without beating you over the fucking head with it I just don't agree with this. unless you're expecting an even handed shake at both genders-- this movie ain't it. And it shouldn't have been! It should have been pro-woman, my beef with it is that it's too political. For real, referencing Citizen's United? Cringe. It's definitely a "girls rule boys drool" movie, but... that's childish bullshit and my feelings aren't hurt by it. Oh please neither are any of the people critiquing it - it's not made for men. It's that it's bitterly political adults pushing political messaging onto children. Pretending it's about hurt feelings (which is something you've brought up - but you're not REALLY accusing anyone of, I gotcha on that) is like calling something -phobic when it's not what's going on at all Then again, I actually embrace traditional gender norms and therefore I don't tend to get my feelings hurt by women or movies made FOR women a whole awful lot so fancy that. I could not IMAGINE an equivalent film being made today, with a flipped script. With alllll the stuff reversed with the creative right foot buried into the pedal. In the name of equality, you could not make that film. Do not mistake this as an endorsement of those politics or that I don't hate Hollywood or think the stars in this movie do likely think those things that other reviewers accuse them of having snuck into the movie-- they absolutely do. Almost everyone in entertainment hates you and wants you dead. Fuck, almost everyone in power anywhere in society hates us and wants us dead. But as for the Barbie movie, I was actually able to tune out and just enjoy the ride. While I have disagreements I so verymuch appreciate you taking the time to explain it. I think the Shapiro review might be a worthwhile watch for you - BUT in the end you might come to, "well okay I still feel how I feel about it, but I get the examples he's pointing at." And let me say about "Sound of Freedom", I didn't see it, but the fucking hysterics of the media over that movie was bizarre to watch Even weirder, the greybars here in this thread referencing it as if they said something? Jesus Christ I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:42:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. Let them hate so long as they fear. I'm concerned tht we don't have enough strategic weapons designers. You fell for that narrative too. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:27:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:46:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. Difference is, they were fighting WWII. People on here are mad that the word vagina is used in a girl movie. Horses for courses. People have it so good they are inventing the silliest of reasons not to get along. Speaks volumes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:11:33 PM EST
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 Barbie - The Greatest Lie Ever Told |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:51:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. IMHO this is another factor and a big one. I think it's well stated, honest, and a I think that's a driving force for the opinions of a lot of the posters who should just simply say that! "Hey man, kinda tired of skipping movies, I kinda wanna like this one" Hey I got it, I hear you I disagree but I understand that one And to that end, it worked well. My worry? Is that this will embolden hollywood. But I think the Marvels movie flopping later might make them re-think it. We'll see more media pieces shaming people for not seeing it Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. Well, some of us aren't seeing films and watching shows we normally would because it's specifically meant to punch at a section of the audience (this board basically ), and they're starting to notice But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. The Savior Generals: How Five Great Commanders Saved Wars That Were Lost By Victor Davis Hanson is a good read, if you haven't already |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 7:09:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryHe went 10 minutes with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film Ben Shapiro went 45 with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film But the 101st Strawmen posters want to pretend this is about.... vajayjay jokes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 7:18:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He went 10 minutes with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film Ben Shapiro went 45 with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film But the 101st Strawmen posters want to pretend this is about.... vajayjay jokes. Quote HistoryQuoted: He went 10 minutes with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film Ben Shapiro went 45 with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film But the 101st Strawmen posters want to pretend this is about.... vajayjay jokes. He absolutely never burns down a movie without having good reasons and he is definitely as pissed about "tHE mEsSaGE" as I am so when he says this movie is like the deformed, mutated rage child of Captain Marvel, Ghostbusters 2016 and She Hulk I am going to give it a wide berth and hope it fails like all the other woke bullshit. Political messaging aside I find if Critical Drinker likes a movie, I will, his tastes just seem similar to mine (though more dramatic things he likes like the whale tend not to be for me) so he is my go to if I am actually inclined to think about seeing something. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:25:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rating isn't a rule to be enforced, it's a guideline. Anything R and below can be viewed by anyone as long as they are accompanied by a guardian. Rarely, if ever, enforced. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:38:31 AM EST
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Wait. OP hasn’t seen the movie but is out here telling everyone about it?
Fits GD quite well where everyone’s an expert of things they know nothing about nor have ever experienced. Case study in GD right here. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:01:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, what's like clockwork is that anyone with a post 2020 join date is likely a retard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you don't accept the ridiculous outrage culture the Right is trying to copy from the left you'll be accused of taking the high road and the reason why we are losing our country then labeled a subversive of whatever topic the outrage is aimed out (ie globohomo, globalist, gun grabber, etc). Look at the Sound of Freedom conspiracy threads. Anyone the questions the narrative the movie is being hamstrung, by theater chains or the distributors immediately get labeled a supporter of pedophelia. No matter the complete lack of logic in the conspiracy narrative presented. You won’t be accused of it. You’ll be doing it. If you’re too stupid to recognize how corrupting the culture leads to what you’re seeing then you’re beyond saving. Just keep losing, it’s all you’re good for. Man, it’s like clockwork with you types. No, what's like clockwork is that anyone with a post 2020 join date is likely a retard. Some of us think that about anyone post 2004. Just sayin' |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:24:19 AM EST
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This culture war bullshit is getting more and more dreary. Jesus, it's a dumb shit movie and people are making long ass videos analyzing it and people are making dramatic claims about making "enemies" over it.
It's a fucking nostalgia money grab and people acting like they are "scholars" 'analyzing" it. Our finest thinkers! |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 9:21:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He absolutely never burns down a movie without having good reasons and he is definitely as pissed about "tHE mEsSaGE" as I am so when he says this movie is like the deformed, mutated rage child of Captain Marvel, Ghostbusters 2016 and She Hulk I am going to give it a wide berth and hope it fails like all the other woke bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He went 10 minutes with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film Ben Shapiro went 45 with his review of the film, laying out numerous examples of scenes, themes, symbolism, and dialogue he didn't like - there was a painfully obvious cultural marxism spice mixed into this film But the 101st Strawmen posters want to pretend this is about.... vajayjay jokes. He absolutely never burns down a movie without having good reasons and he is definitely as pissed about "tHE mEsSaGE" as I am so when he says this movie is like the deformed, mutated rage child of Captain Marvel, Ghostbusters 2016 and She Hulk I am going to give it a wide berth and hope it fails like all the other woke bullshit. Yeap. Y u no like Bridesmaids: Ghostbusters? Political messaging aside I find if Critical Drinker likes a movie, I will, his tastes just seem similar to mine (though more dramatic things he likes like the whale tend not to be for me) so he is my go to if I am actually inclined to think about seeing something. Watching/reading reviews to find out what's in a movie before deciding to see it, is 100% rational and normal. It's an even better idea in the case of bait and switch marketing. The toughguy talk by the NPCs and burner accounts is wild to watch The problem they have is the actual movie they're simping for.
Maybe cringe-feminism and cultural marxism is something they enjoy, but on ar15.com, a lot of people won't. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 9:23:00 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a titillating pickle surprise for the audience? Doctor Barbie is a tranny but it doesn’t matter since Barbie’s and kens are just flat there anyway |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 9:24:09 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This culture war bullshit is getting more and more dreary. Jesus, it's a dumb shit movie and people are making long ass videos analyzing it and people are making dramatic claims about making "enemies" over it. It's a fucking nostalgia money grab and people acting like they are "scholars" 'analyzing" it. Our finest thinkers! If you say so, Mr. Joindatepostcount. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 10:09:19 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeap. Y u no like Bridesmaids: Ghostbusters? Watching/reading reviews to find out what's in a movie before deciding to see it, is 100% rational and normal. It's an even better idea in the case of bait and switch marketing. The toughguy talk by the NPCs and burner accounts is wild to watch The problem they have is the actual movie they're simping for.
Maybe cringe-feminism and cultural marxism is something they enjoy, but on ar15.com, a lot of people won't. I'm just hoping there's a scene where all those girls at the school lunch table start their OF channels 
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Posted: 7/24/2023 10:28:57 AM EST
[#21]
Barbie accidentally based...
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Posted: 7/24/2023 10:50:42 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Movie was never marketed for kids... So no idea what you are crying about. I went and saw "Oppenheimer" on Saturday and there were hundreds of teenage girls under the age of 17 at the theater to watch "Barbie". Barbie is a kids toy so of course kids are going to go see the movie. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:02:46 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryWhy do they all look like molesters or have been molested? |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:46:42 AM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2023 2:26:14 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Difference is, they were fighting WWII. People on here are mad that the word vagina is used in a girl movie. Horses for courses. People have it so good they are inventing the silliest of reasons not to get along. Speaks volumes. Correct. Some people have to bend over backwards to find something to be offended about. In the Justified thread, someone speaks of it being woke. Neither my wife nor I saw anything woke in it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 2:30:49 PM EST
[#26]
My wife and I will not go to see it even though originally she wanted to see it, because I have been told that a transgender man is parading as a woman in it.
I have to draw the line somewhere and that line for me definitely includes not supporting Hollywood's transgender agenda.  I have a feeling that's going to seriously limit my movie going experience in the future as this kind of depravity becomes more and more mainstream. I guess I've reached that age where I now understand why my grandfathers never wanted to watch modern films and stuck to the old Westerns from the 60's. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 2:57:34 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I appreciate you taking the time to state your case. If maybe I were in a different mood I would see myself more your way but politics has me tired as of late, and so the film came along at a time where I just wanted to sit back and laugh. And to that end, it worked well. Hollywood is awash in this shit, its unavoidable. But I will say after viewing Oppenheimer today, I am very saddened by it's subject matter and quite honestly I think the world would be a better place if men could concern themselves with toys for little girls and not how best to strategic-bomb hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To that end, I loved Barbie more and I would say its the better movie by a long shot. That world would not be a better place, at all. Si vis pacem, Para bellum. Don't buy into this idea that adults should be more like children. The world and this country wasn't built by adults who believed that, because they matured into something greater. I just finished reading a book about the US Guadalcanal campaign in WW2. Furious, brutal naval and land battles. Incredible bravery, ingenuity and sacrifice by men of all stripes, fighting against an enemy equally as brave and heroic and even more fanatical. It was a close thing, but every single man in that campaign was a serious, motivated and dedicated man of iron who worked with the men next to him to win that campaign. How many wars do you think men who play with children's toys will win? Those who beat swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't. Yes that is the way of the world, isn't it? We can't stop because they won't. And that's a curse, not a blessing. I don't think it made the God who died on the cross for our sins very happy to see His children behave the way they did on Guadalcanal, perhaps their bravery, or their willingness to sacrifice for their brothers, brought Him some measure of comfort, but I think He'd rather see those men, Japanese and American alike, sitting at uncomfortably small tea tables with little daughters they never had a chance to have because they were so busy being brave fighting against their fellow man. I think He'd rather those men be brave and motivated and ingenious fathers and husbands. Yes, being a warrior is needed, but that is a sadness that the world requires it to be so, not a joy that we should embrace. There's plenty of work for men to be men in the wide space between inflicting as many civilian casualties as possible and being overly infantalized adults too busy with toys to have a family of their own. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:37:25 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that was my impression all along as well. Not sure I understand why ANYONE with little kids would see a trailer for this movie and think it would be a good idea to bring little kids to it. It's clearly a movie intended for adults. Correct. This was for "those who played with Barbie" not a glorified commerical to get you to play with Barbie. GD gonna GD though |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:40:11 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? A movie about an iconic toy that’s been heavily marketed to preteens for decades? Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? A movie about an iconic toy that’s been heavily marketed to preteens for decades? Asked and answered. Quoted: Let’s do a new GI Joe movie where he’s a bisexual pedofile that does ritual animal sacrifice. Completely ok for adolescent boys as long as it’s not ‘marketed for kids’. So Barbie isa pedo satanist? Which movie did you download? |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:43:25 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryFinished and pretty much spot on. When your woke logic breaks itself and becomes ironic satire. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:59:03 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doctor Barbie is a tranny but it doesn’t matter since Barbie’s and kens are just flat there anyway Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there a titillating pickle surprise for the audience? Doctor Barbie is a tranny but it doesn’t matter since Barbie’s and kens are just flat there anyway See, I knew it. Probably 10-20% of the audience is pervs, in one form or the other. Wonder if Biden has seen it yet? People here say "no big deal." That just proves how subtle and insidious the Brainwashing of America is. Brainwashing wouldn't work if people recognized it. The frog is in the heating pot now. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 6:29:36 PM EST
[#32]
https://www.indiewire.com/news/business/oppenheimer-5-million-tickets-barbie-sold-out-barbenheimer-1234887457/
Disappointed by sold-out shows, hundreds of thousands of Barbie fans turned to Robert Oppenheimer for comfort. The result: an extra $5 million at the “Oppenheimer” box office. According to film-data research company The Quorum, 6 percent of the people who saw “Oppenheimer” in the U.S. this past weekend did so because tickets to “Barbie” were sold out. “Oppenheimer” drew $83 million domestically, so $4.98 million is attributed to “Barbie” leftovers. (“Oppenheimer” made $93.7 million at the foreign box office.) |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 10:52:31 AM EST
[#33]
Funny stuff... Complaining about hOllYweIrd then off to watch SPORTSBALL.... GD loves to divide by ZERo..... hahahahH
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Posted: 7/25/2023 11:36:04 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Difference is, they were fighting WWII. People on here are mad that the word vagina is used in a girl movie. Horses for courses. People have it so good they are inventing the silliest of reasons not to get along. Speaks volumes. You know, if you're going to slander people you could at least manage to hit your target. Maybe even bother to read the title of the thread: "bait and switch" - it's a barbie movie, they went out of their way to portray it as not being a feminist preachy movie, instead as just a barbie movie, which they knew good and well would bring in parents with young kids. So I posted the thread to - oh wait, this is what OP says, so you'll refuse to see it - tell parents they might wanna screen it first before taking their kids. Any excuse to lie about people who aren't you seems to do, though. Sleazy, and you probably won't feel the slightest twitch of conscience. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 11:38:27 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. OP hasn’t seen the movie but is out here telling everyone about it? Fits GD quite well where everyone’s an expert of things they know nothing about nor have ever experienced. Case study in GD right here. I'll remember this and if I ever see you posting any news about something you haven't seen that you're telling people about, I'll save the quote for you. Because obviously, you apply your standards everywhere equally, right? |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 1:33:03 PM EST
[#36]
Quoted: I'll remember this and if I ever see you posting any news about something you haven't seen that you're telling people about, I'll save the quote for you. Because obviously, you apply your standards everywhere equally, right? To be fair, If you had seen the movie you might not have prioritized your description of the video that you watched about the movie with “In "barbie land" they talk about how they don't have genitals (ken or barbie).” Having seen the movie the only specific reference to not having genitals that I can remember was a comedic moment while Barbie is talking to a group of male construction workers. She says something to the effect of “we don’t have genitals.” While skating away Ken says to the construction worker “I have genitals. I have all the genitals.” I read the purpose of the exchange, in the scope of the story, as showing both Ken and Barbie as childish. It also showed how childish the cat calling construction worker trope is. Overall this provided a stark juxtaposition of security in self identity that Barbie had at that time and the insecurity of Ken. Again, this is a coming of age story for those who played with Barbies, not those who are playing with Barbies. I’m not naive enough to believe that there aren’t agendas interlaced with the satire, as agenda is often a definite point of satire. Realizing that every single word, image, or interchange was intentional, I was more struck by other ideas. Such as: Barbies have no idea where Kens go at night and don’t care… The word Matriarchy was never used… when Barbie was faced with the imperfections of the real world with lots of changes and ageing/death, that’s what she chose… Why was there a poster for Rocky III of all the Rocky films they could have chosen… and so on. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 5:42:52 PM EST
[#37]
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Posted: 7/25/2023 6:05:32 PM EST
[#38]
I voted to bring back the OG Pit.
But after catching up here, I think we need a BarBie forum. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 6:15:38 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, If you had seen the movie you might not have prioritized your description of the video that you watched about the movie with “In "barbie land" they talk about how they don't have genitals (ken or barbie).” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll remember this and if I ever see you posting any news about something you haven't seen that you're telling people about, I'll save the quote for you. Because obviously, you apply your standards everywhere equally, right? To be fair, If you had seen the movie you might not have prioritized your description of the video that you watched about the movie with “In "barbie land" they talk about how they don't have genitals (ken or barbie).” That's why I corrected that stuff in OP when I managed to get decent confirmation and changed the thread title to indicate that. If our standard is now "you didn't see it with your own two eyes, you can't say anything" than 999/1000ths of arf needs to shut up and never post anything again. Ever. That tactic is being used in this thread to say "shut up." Quoted: Having seen the movie the only specific reference to not having genitals that I can remember was a comedic moment while Barbie is talking to a group of male construction workers. She says something to the effect of “we don’t have genitals.” While skating away Ken says to the construction worker “I have genitals. I have all the genitals.” I read the purpose of the exchange, in the scope of the story, as showing both Ken and Barbie as childish. It also showed how childish the cat calling construction worker trope is. Overall this provided a stark juxtaposition of security in self identity that Barbie had at that time and the insecurity of Ken. Again, this is a coming of age story for those who played with Barbies, not those who are playing with Barbies. I’m not naive enough to believe that there aren’t agendas interlaced with the satire, as agenda is often a definite point of satire. Realizing that every single word, image, or interchange was intentional, I was more struck by other ideas. Such as: Barbies have no idea where Kens go at night and don’t care… The word Matriarchy was never used… when Barbie was faced with the imperfections of the real world with lots of changes and ageing/death, that’s what she chose… Why was there a poster for Rocky III of all the Rocky films they could have chosen… and so on. ^^^ this is what honest "hey you got that wrong" looks like. I'm going to guess you haven't read all eight pages, I'll save you the trouble: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Barbie-movie-bait-and-switch-Parents-HEADS-UP-op-update-on-content--/5-2660051/?page=5#i105057537 ^^^ wherein we are basically agreeing about what was said re: things kids are gonna ask questions about. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 6:27:28 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I corrected that stuff in OP when I managed to get decent confirmation and changed the thread title to indicate that. If our standard is now "you didn't see it with your own two eyes, you can't say anything" than 999/1000ths of arf needs to shut up and never post anything again. Ever. That tactic is being used in this thread to say "shut up." ^^^ this is what honest "hey you got that wrong" looks like. I'm going to guess you haven't read all eight pages, I'll save you the trouble: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Barbie-movie-bait-and-switch-Parents-HEADS-UP-op-update-on-content--/5-2660051/?page=5#i105057537 ^^^ wherein we are basically agreeing about what was said re: things kids are gonna ask questions about. I’d be all for fewer reviews and opinions on things people haven’t laid eyes, let alone hands. I’d also like the reviews of reviews and reviews of announcements to stop. I won’t get my way though. The signal to noise ratio in GD is very high. I’ll be among the first to admit I’m likely to miss stuff. If I’d did I’m sorry, I have other things to do and usually browse this forum when taking a break. I browse a bit more when I’m deciding if re-upping my membership is worthwhile or I should take a break. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 6:46:36 PM EST
[#41]
I appreciate people giving the low down about stuff like this.
I personally don’t believe censoring kids from stuff like what’s mentioned is the correct approach. I want to be present when immorality and bad social causes are promoted. That’s how you educate and condition good moral judgement and critical thinking. |
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Posted: 7/25/2023 7:25:46 PM EST
[#42]
My wife just went to see it. Will talk to her about it tonight or more likely tomorrow. I suspect she will enjoy it and not see any problem with it. My wife is not a feminist - but she was raised by one.
I enjoyed the last review posted on this thread - that rather than looking at this as a feminist power flick - it is really a tragedy. Ken made a world where everyone was happy and working together - and through brainwashing, deceit, lies, etc... feminism destroyed it. The outcome was so bad, even Barbie - the prime feminist instigator was so depressed she had to flee her creation. |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 1:12:44 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See, I knew it. Probably 10-20% of the audience is pervs, in one form or the other. Wonder if Biden has seen it yet? People here say "no big deal." That just proves how subtle and insidious the Brainwashing of America is. Brainwashing wouldn't work if people recognized it. The frog is in the heating pot now. To be fair the trans Barbie is probably the closest anatomically to a plastic doll with all the surgeries it’s had. It’s also got the closest genitals to a Barbie doll, seeing as they’ve had their’s removed |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 2:18:18 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate people giving the low down about stuff like this. I personally don’t believe censoring kids from stuff like what’s mentioned is the correct approach. Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate people giving the low down about stuff like this. I personally don’t believe censoring kids from stuff like what’s mentioned is the correct approach. ... It's bad hot-takes like this that ... Look this is simple. Parents of the kids are the only ones who even have a fighting chance at knowing what their kids can and cannot handle. Because if you do not grasp the concept AND if you don't have the language to express it you can't interact with others about it (or think about it yourself). When parents say that kids of X age are not sexual beings, that's at least part of what they are referring to. The kids don't all learn these things at the same rate and are not capable of learning them at the same rate / by the same age. If by censoring you mean "Never ever let them see it and hide it from them and never discuss it" ... who in this thread (or really anywhere) EVER says that? If by censoring you mean "that's not appropriate for my kid" / this is generically not appropriate for kids of that age because I have never seen any that could and most in society affirm this ... I don't get how society can't comprehend this. Quoted: I want to be present when immorality and bad social causes are promoted. That’s how you educate and condition good moral judgement and critical thinking. Which does not mean expose your kids to it just to expose them to it. Which does not mean everythign is ok for all kids of any age, as long as the parent is there. This is why the broadly "permissive" worldview and parenting fails so spectacularly on average. It ignores or handwaves at human nature, human corruption, and mental development / proper handing of emotions. |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 10:08:18 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us think that about anyone post 2004. Just sayin' Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you don't accept the ridiculous outrage culture the Right is trying to copy from the left you'll be accused of taking the high road and the reason why we are losing our country then labeled a subversive of whatever topic the outrage is aimed out (ie globohomo, globalist, gun grabber, etc). Look at the Sound of Freedom conspiracy threads. Anyone the questions the narrative the movie is being hamstrung, by theater chains or the distributors immediately get labeled a supporter of pedophelia. No matter the complete lack of logic in the conspiracy narrative presented. You won’t be accused of it. You’ll be doing it. If you’re too stupid to recognize how corrupting the culture leads to what you’re seeing then you’re beyond saving. Just keep losing, it’s all you’re good for. Man, it’s like clockwork with you types. No, what's like clockwork is that anyone with a post 2020 join date is likely a retard. Some of us think that about anyone post 2004. Just sayin' A bit of context - I'm a 20 join, and I wasn't paying attention or looking for it, but the joins from 21-23 I have seen posting are even worse of a raging dumpsterfire than 20s. I honestly can't tell if they are even bots or not. Zero snark. |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 11:45:19 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A bit of context - I'm a 20 join, and I wasn't paying attention or looking for it, but the joins from 21-23 I have seen posting are even worse of a raging dumpsterfire than 20s. I honestly can't tell if they are even bots or not. Zero snark. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you don't accept the ridiculous outrage culture the Right is trying to copy from the left you'll be accused of taking the high road and the reason why we are losing our country then labeled a subversive of whatever topic the outrage is aimed out (ie globohomo, globalist, gun grabber, etc). Look at the Sound of Freedom conspiracy threads. Anyone the questions the narrative the movie is being hamstrung, by theater chains or the distributors immediately get labeled a supporter of pedophelia. No matter the complete lack of logic in the conspiracy narrative presented. You won’t be accused of it. You’ll be doing it. If you’re too stupid to recognize how corrupting the culture leads to what you’re seeing then you’re beyond saving. Just keep losing, it’s all you’re good for. Man, it’s like clockwork with you types. No, what's like clockwork is that anyone with a post 2020 join date is likely a retard. Some of us think that about anyone post 2004. Just sayin' A bit of context - I'm a 20 join, and I wasn't paying attention or looking for it, but the joins from 21-23 I have seen posting are even worse of a raging dumpsterfire than 20s. I honestly can't tell if they are even bots or not. Zero snark. "Worst take you'll ever hear in your life" Starter pack: 1)  2) Uncritically regurgitating an opinion piece disguised as news, that is at best a shitty psyop, told entirely from the frame of the WEF variant of the coastal effete/elite "left". 3) "Correcting" someone who had the fucking gall to showcase some independent thought and arrive at what will eventually become the conclusion the normies find later. Problem: They're "too early" by a few years .One does not simply disagree with journalism majors in current year. 4) Several other low-post-count-recent-join-date users who genuinely seem to hate it here, ALSO chime in with their own smoothbrained takes, and shaming language for the OP/others (usually never to resurface again )MFW: 
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Posted: 7/27/2023 12:02:42 AM EST
[#47]
Some you all need to have your testosterone checked. It’s low.
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Posted: 7/27/2023 12:09:55 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Worst take you'll ever hear in your life" Starter pack: 1) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/LMAOOO-2812535.png 2) Uncritically regurgitating an opinion piece disguised as news, that is at best a shitty psyop, told entirely from the frame of the WEF variant of the coastal effete/elite "left". 3) "Correcting" someone who had the fucking gall to showcase some independent thought and arrive at what will eventually become the conclusion the normies find later. Problem: They're "too early" by a few years .One does not simply disagree with journalism majors in current year. 4) Several other low-post-count-recent-join-date users who genuinely seem to hate it here, ALSO chime in with their own smoothbrained takes, and shaming language for the OP/others (usually never to resurface again )MFW: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/Fy356FBXwAAVvI4-2899240.jpg LOL. I read that as a cry for help; that I must post things that are more fun for you to riff off. Sorry man, I failed.
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