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Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:43:44 AM EDT
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel.

Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread....  

They love those.  Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies.
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There is a religious sub-section on the forums where you can talk all you want about the evils of Christianity.

This is GD.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:46:08 AM EDT
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Great Ted talk on how David easily kicked Goliath's ass.

The unheard story of David and Goliath | Malcolm Gladwell
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If I am interested, I read multiple sources.

When it comes to the bible and speaking to people of any religion..it seems that they have one source.  If you doubt that source, you are a bad person.

Most of the people I have met that believe in this, have believed since they were a child. Their parents taught them that it is the truth. They are doing the same with their kids.

If you teach a kid from a young age that one book is the way of life and all others are wrong...the kid is likely going to believe that and carry that for the rest of their lives.
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If your interest is in history, especially the ancient variety, there are going to be many instances where you only have a single source for an event. Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Sumerian, Babylonian, Perisan, & etc. The history books would be pretty empty is 2 or 3 primary sources were required.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:50:17 AM EDT
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The size difference between Goliath and David was not so great that David couldn't effectively use Goliath's sword.
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If your interest is in history, especially the ancient variety, there are going to be many instances where you only have a single source for an event. Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Sumerian, Babylonian, Perisan, & etc. The history books would be pretty empty is 2 or 3 primary sources were required.
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Simply because we have one source, doesn't mean that source is true or factual.

It just means we have one source.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:51:39 AM EDT
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Goliath was a post flood giant so he was smaller than the original men of renown. He was about 9 ft.
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That's what some have concluded..........others say about 7 ft.................I guess we will never really know for sure.

But one thing is for sure, he was a HUGE man.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:53:00 AM EDT
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I have recently started trying to read the bible through, and I have a similar question. It says the Ark was 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width and 30 cubits in height and that when the flood occurred that the water rose 30 cubits. BUT where it gets interesting is that it clearly says that it covered mountains and so on. So how fucking big is a cubit, and imagine the size of the Ark in comparison

So if he was 6 cubits tall, I imagine he had to have been a monster because he's like a fifth as tall as the Ark according to the bible.
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Grab a study Bible. It will help with corresponding text and verse explanations.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:53:26 AM EDT
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Simply because we have one source, doesn't mean that source is true or factual.

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I think there is one part of the Bible that says David's father asked him if he wanted to use his armor suit to fight Goliath.

David refused but his father is reputedly to be a LARGE man also.

So, I don't know that we will ever really have a good handle on how big David was, or turned out to be when he got older...............???
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:54:02 AM EDT
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Simply because we have one source, doesn't mean that source is true or factual.

It just means we have one source.
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I never claimed it did. Merely stated that ancient history must not be your thing, if you require such stringent evidence.

Don't worry, though. There's always anthropology.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:55:55 AM EDT
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Extravagant claims require extravagant proof.

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Gotcha...here is what God said to Job:

The Lord Speaks

38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2
“Who is this that obscures my plans
   with words without knowledge?
3
Brace yourself like a man;
   I will question you,
   and you shall answer me.

4
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
   Tell me, if you understand.
5
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
   Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6
On what were its footings set,
   or who laid its cornerstone—
7
while the morning stars sang together
   and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

8
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
   when it burst forth from the womb,
9
when I made the clouds its garment
   and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10
when I fixed limits for it
   and set its doors and bars in place,
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when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
   here is where your proud waves halt’?

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“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
   or shown the dawn its place,
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that it might take the earth by the edges
   and shake the wicked out of it?
14
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
   its features stand out like those of a garment.
15
The wicked are denied their light,
   and their upraised arm is broken.

16
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
   or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
   Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
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Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
   Tell me, if you know all this.

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“What is the way to the abode of light?
   And where does darkness reside?
20
Can you take them to their places?
   Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
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Surely you know, for you were already born!
   You have lived so many years!

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“Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
   or seen the storehouses of the hail,
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which I reserve for times of trouble,
   for days of war and battle?
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What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
   or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
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Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
   and a path for the thunderstorm,
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to water a land where no one lives,
   an uninhabited desert,
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to satisfy a desolate wasteland
   and make it sprout with grass?
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Does the rain have a father?
   Who fathers the drops of dew?
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From whose womb comes the ice?
   Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
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when the waters become hard as stone,
   when the surface of the deep is frozen?

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“Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
   Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
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Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
   or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
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Do you know the laws of the heavens?
   Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?

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“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
   and cover yourself with a flood of water?
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Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
   Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
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Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
   or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
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Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
   Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
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when the dust becomes hard
   and the clods of earth stick together?

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“Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
   and satisfy the hunger of the lions
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when they crouch in their dens
   or lie in wait in a thicket?
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Who provides food for the raven
   when its young cry out to God
   and wander about for lack of food?
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:56:55 AM EDT
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Disregarding a discussion on whether the Bible uses AGL or ASL...

Where is this 45 feet number coming from?

The waters swelled fifteen cubits above the mountains, covering them. Gen. 7:20 LEB.
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I was using the numbers from another post that put the flood at 30 cubits. 30 cubits would be 45 feet. I may have misread/misunderstood the post, though.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 8:57:59 AM EDT
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Sad but true, I guess satan's got a hold on them...
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel.

Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread....  

They love those.  Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies.


Sad but true, I guess satan's got a hold on them...
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:01:58 AM EDT
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Yes it does. It also says that God then deemed that man should not live that long.

Did the exaggerations about people's ages suddenly stop 4k years ago? Did the guy writing Exodus say "whoa, nobody who reads Genesis in the year 2000 is going to believe that, I'd better make people normal."
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I know it does, and that was my point
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:03:31 AM EDT
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:05:14 AM EDT
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
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Was that with or without a helmet?
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:05:28 AM EDT
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“The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.”
??Genesis? ?7:20? ?ESV??
http://bible.com/59/gen.7.20.esv

The water was above the mountains
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:06:27 AM EDT
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Clifford was a big red dog
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If the flood was 45 feet deep, why didn't people just go to higher ground?
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Was there enough higher ground to live on for 370 days?
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:08:06 AM EDT
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Was that with or without a helmet?
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
Was that with or without a helmet?
Yes. Next question?

Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:09:16 AM EDT
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Important question is which NBA team picks up Goliath?  Would Jordan in his prime outplay Goliath?  These are important questions that need answering.
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It certainly is. Can you name other 2-5k year old history books and do you give them the same scrutiny? Are you as skeptical about the Amarna tablets? Do you give weight to all the Babylonian texts found?


As for the OP, the Bible doesn't give David's height but says he was a youth, so a teenager. Probably skinny. Everybody was.
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That logic is poor and does not make it a history book
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Yes. Next question?

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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
Was that with or without a helmet?
Yes. Next question?

I say "no".

Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:12:18 AM EDT
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There is a religious sub-section on the forums where you can talk all you want about the evils of Christianity.

This is GD.
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel.

Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread....  

They love those.  Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies.
There is a religious sub-section on the forums where you can talk all you want about the evils of Christianity.

This is GD.
Lol sure thing teener.

If you don't believe so be it,  but the bible makes clear the value of faith.  If God wanted to reveal everything He would, but He determined faith to be more valuable than simple compliance.


You say you have no faith,  but you think nothing exploded into the entire universe.  To me,  that says your faith is greater than mine. But poorly placed.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:15:23 AM EDT
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
Was that with or without a helmet?
Yes. Next question?

If he was wearing a helmet, did that helmet have an unusually high crest?  Feathers or horsehair or some thing like that?

Was he wearing elevator sandals?
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:15:23 AM EDT
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Giants Height Scale
I believe that figure D is Goliath, though other scales show him larger.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:21:53 AM EDT
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I've been listening to a lot of podcasts about the giants of old and fallen angel/human love kids. I'd say David facing Goliath was bought like someone running into one of the big alpha male bigfoots. Surely everyone on here has read enough of the ARFCOM bigfoot threads to get a visual of that.
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I believe that figure D is Goliath, though other scales show him larger.
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Whew! Thank the mighty Odin that someone really took the time to classify giants for us. 

Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:27:59 AM EDT
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What round for Goliath??
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Goliath was around 9 feet.  Given the size of the average man back then was around 5'5" and David was a youth he was probably 5 feetish.  His stone was about the size of a baseball or racquetball.

I believe the encounter was the beginning of the saying "talks cheap, back it up."  

Later when David fled Saul he stopped by the temple and took Goliath's sword for a weapon.  In the end he only used it to cut a piece of cloth from Saul's cloak to show he could have killed the king but didn't thereby regaining Sauls favor.
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If he was wearing a helmet, did that helmet have an unusually high crest?  Feathers or horsehair or some thing like that?

Was he wearing elevator sandals?
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Great Question!

As we can see from the Egyptian carvings of Philistines below, they appear to be the originators of the feathered helmet. And I am sorry to say I have know idea about the elevator sandals.

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Stone, as round as possible.

But, that is not what killed him.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:29:50 AM EDT
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How old is the Earth according to the bible?
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The bible doesn't say. I know that bursts the bubbles of people on both sides of the argument.
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Already answered definitively several thousand years ago.

Nick
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Stone, as round as possible.

But, that is not what killed him.
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Go on......................???
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:33:34 AM EDT
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one of King Sauls descriptions is that he was tall - so he was obviously meant to fight the giant.

David placing his faith in God for strength  and wisdom ended up ruling the day.
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The Bible doesn't weigh in on the matter.
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There are some excellent books written by people who felt the same way as you, went out to prove it, and ended up coming to a much different conclusion.  You should read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel as a starting point.
How old is the Earth according to the bible?
The Bible doesn't weigh in on the matter.
The 5,000 year old earth is hogwash perpetrated by agnostics. Nowhere in the bible does it say how many times this chalkboard we call earth has been erased and rewritten. Genesis was just the beginning of this most recent rewrite.
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Six cubits, and a span is the definitive answer.

So, in modern terms... what was the nature of this fight? How big was David?

Are we talking, Andre the Giant vs Tom Cruise? (Tom cruise is a small man)
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Goliath over 9ft tall and David was a teenager most probably.
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I think there is one part of the Bible that says David's father asked him if he wanted to use his armor suit to fight Goliath.

David refused but his father is reputedly to be a LARGE man also.

So, I don't know that we will ever really have a good handle on how big David was, or turned out to be when he got older...............???
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King Saul, not his father. David tried it on and couldn't walk around in it.
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King Saul, not his father. David tried it on and couldn't walk around in it.
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Ah.........thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:40:13 AM EDT
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Goliath was a post flood giant so he was smaller than the original men of renown. He was about 9 ft.
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Goliath was a post flood giant so he was smaller than the original men of renown. He was about 9 ft.
A tall man, but maybe just an anomaly. Some people think he had a genetic disorder because of statements in the story suggesting he had poor eyesight and his family history of. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4113151/

A FAMILIAL ASPECT TO GOLIATH’S GIGANTISMGoliath, the Gittite, is the most well known giant in the Bible. He is described
as ‘a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, whose height was six
cubits and a span’ (Samuel 17:4). From Samuel and Chronicles (table I), we have drawn Goliath's pedigree (figure 1). A literal interpretation of the verses suggests that his brother and
three sons were also of giant stature. The name of Goliath's third son
does not appear in the Bible, so we have named him Exadactylus as it was
said that ‘he had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six
toes’ (Samuel 21:20-21). Goliath's family tree is suggestive of a
hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene, such as AIP2.
Table I
Bible references for the relatives in figure 1
Fig 1
Goliath's Pedigree. Affected members are shaded in black. + symbol indicates exadactyly.
Goliath was killed by David who threw a stone at his forehead (Samuel 17:49).
This gives further evidence that he suffered from pituitary gland
dysfunction; a pituitary tumour pressing on his optic chiasm, and
consequent visual disturbance due to pressure on his optic nerve, would
have made it difficult for him to see the stone in his lateral vision.
Pituitary giants look impressive in terms of stature, but may not have
speed and agility to match their perceived strength. David, having
agility, particularly having declined the heavy set of armour that was
offered to him, and being skilled at sling shots, may have found a way
around the fearsome looking giant by firing a sling shot from the side
of the battlefield. The fact that Goliath may have had a pituitary
tumour was recognised by Vladimir Berginer in a paper in 20003. In his description of the condition, he notes a painting of David and
Goliath by Puget in the 18th century noting the appearance of acromegaly
in the severed head of Goliath, and remarks that the painting was done
more than one hundred years before Marie originally described the
condition in 1886. He also helpfully comments that Goliath was killed by
David severing his head, not from the impact of the stone which felled
him, possibly due to brain contusion, but did not actually kill him
directly.
Gigantism results when a growth hormone-secreting pituitary adenoma is present before epiphyseal fusion.
Pituitary adenomas can be present in a number of genetic conditions,
such as multiple endocrine neoplasia type 1, Carney complex, and
Familial Isolated Pituitary Adenoma (FIPA). FIPA is an autosomal
dominant condition with incomplete penetrance, caused by germline
mutations of the aryl hydrocarbon receptor interacting protein (AIP)
gene4. Patients with AIP mutations have an earlier mean age at diagnosis
than AIP mutation-negative patients4. The age of Goliath is not clear, but early onset of pituitary tumours
is typical of hereditary gigantism and limitation of lateral vision is
common. Goliath himself had a shield bearer precede him, possibly to
indicate to Goliath the direction of the approaching foe.
Polydactyly has not been described in association with FIPA. The AIP gene lies on
chromosome 11q13.3. The Bardet-Biedl gene, BBS1, is located close by on
chromosome 11q13.2. Bardet-Biedl syndrome type I is characterized by
rod-cone dystrophy, truncal obesity, cognitive impairment and postaxial
polydactyly5. The protein encoded by BBS1 is thought to play a role in limb
development. It is unlikely that Goliath's family had FIPA caused by a
microdeletion which also involved BBS1, as the genetic distance between
the BBS1 and AIP genes is separated by a 1 Mb gene-packed region. Such a
gap makes an inherited contiguous gene syndrome unlikely as there would
have been too many other features. Very rarely BBS1 patients have
symmetric exadactyly; most commonly it is present in one or two
extremities, upper and lower-not in all four. We are not given much
other detail about Exadactylus so a new BBS1 mutation due to some
complex rearrangement is unlikely-a new mutation in an autosomal
dominant polydactyly gene might explain his symmetrical phenotype. If he
had pituitary disease and six digits-he may have looked an intimidating
foe-but he may not have been a great warrior in action.
Interestingly, the book of Samuel refers to five stones that David carefully selected
for his sling from the nearby stream, and further reading of the
surrounding passages shows that David's relatives were all involved in
the deaths of the other giants in Goliath's family. There can be other
interpretations for this and various types of symbolism, but it appears
likely that several giants may have been from Goliath's family, further
suggesting autosomal dominant inheritance. The reverse also almost
happened-Ishbibenob, Goliath's son, is credited with almost killing
David until the swift intervention of David's nephew Abishai (2 Samuel
21.16), so clearly intellect or agility was not deficient in some of the
giants, and myopathy seen in some cases of pituitary disease in later
life, not a direct issue in the younger giants.
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Is it so hard to just read the story for yourself?

Murica is full of illiterates.

Little D chopped off his head. That's what killed him.
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Does the Bible state that Goliath was a Nephilim? Where?
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God does not require your buy in.   Here is what he told Job:

The Lord Speaks

38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

2
“Who is this that obscures my plans
   with words without knowledge?
3
Brace yourself like a man;
   I will question you,
   and you shall answer me.

4
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
   Tell me, if you understand.
5
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
   Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6
On what were its footings set,
   or who laid its cornerstone—
7
while the morning stars sang together
   and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

8
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
   when it burst forth from the womb,
9
when I made the clouds its garment
   and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10
when I fixed limits for it
   and set its doors and bars in place,
11
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
   here is where your proud waves halt’?

12
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
   or shown the dawn its place,
13
that it might take the earth by the edges
   and shake the wicked out of it?
14
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
   its features stand out like those of a garment.
15
The wicked are denied their light,
   and their upraised arm is broken.

16
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
   or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
   Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
   Tell me, if you know all this.

19
“What is the way to the abode of light?
   And where does darkness reside?
20
Can you take them to their places?
   Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
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Surely you know, for you were already born!
   You have lived so many years!

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“Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
   or seen the storehouses of the hail,
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which I reserve for times of trouble,
   for days of war and battle?
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What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
   or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
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Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
   and a path for the thunderstorm,
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to water a land where no one lives,
   an uninhabited desert,
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to satisfy a desolate wasteland
   and make it sprout with grass?
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Does the rain have a father?
   Who fathers the drops of dew?
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From whose womb comes the ice?
   Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
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when the waters become hard as stone,
   when the surface of the deep is frozen?

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“Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
   Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
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Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
   or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
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Do you know the laws of the heavens?
   Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?

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“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
   and cover yourself with a flood of water?
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Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
   Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36
Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
   or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
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Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
   Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
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when the dust becomes hard
   and the clods of earth stick together?

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“Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
   and satisfy the hunger of the lions
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when they crouch in their dens
   or lie in wait in a thicket?
41
Who provides food for the raven
   when its young cry out to God
   and wander about for lack of food?
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Is it so hard to just read the story for yourself?

Murica is full of illiterates.

Little D chopped off his head. That's what killed him.
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I did read the story...........don't remember him doing that to kill him........I thought he was already dead.

But I read the story many years ago............so he was still moving around(?)...............I must have forgotten that.

I always thought he did that as sort of a "trophy".

Quote, 1 Samuel 17:

45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a javelin: but I come to thee in the name of Jehovah of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.  

46 This day will Jehovah deliver thee into my hand; and I will smite thee, and take thy head from off thee; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day unto the birds of the heavens, and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel,   47 and that all this assembly may know that Jehovah saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is Jehovah's, and he will give you into our hand.  

48 And it came to pass, when the Philistine arose, and came and drew nigh to meet David, that David hastened, and ran toward the army to meet the Philistine.  

49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead; and the stone sank into his forehead, and he fell upon his face to the earth.  

50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.  

51 Then David ran, and stood over the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.
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Sad but true, I guess satan's got a hold on them...
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Satan can't get a hold on anyone without their acquiescence. What does that say about "them?"
Link Posted: 7/4/2017 9:50:27 AM EDT
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Big enough that I'd want something bigger than .223
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It certainly is. Can you name other 2-5k year old history books and do you give them the same scrutiny? Are you as skeptical about the Amarna tablets? Do you give weight to all the Babylonian texts found?


As for the OP, the Bible doesn't give David's height but says he was a youth, so a teenager. Probably skinny. Everybody was.
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The Bible is a book of mythology, not a history book. Does it possibly contain some real history? Sure, but it also contains errors, contradictions and fairy tales.
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9".
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Even at 6'9" he'd most likely be a foot taller than the biggest of Israelites and 18" taller than the average man of the time. King Saul was supposed to have been a very large man and he probably didn't even hit six feet.
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel.

Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread....  

They love those.  Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies.
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If you don't like GD's responses to your constant religious trolling, you have a special safe space in the Religion forum.
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Even at 6'9" he'd most likely be a foot taller than the biggest of Israelites and 18" taller than the average man of the time. King Saul was supposed to have been a very large man and he probably didn't even hit six feet.
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I have read where some estimate he was 6'4" or thereabouts.
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