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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:36:46 AM EDT
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Well again, that is the beauty of the film. It didn't decide for us, it lets the audience draw their own conclusions on many things, Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It was a ritual. He soothed it's fear before he killed it. And he held her while she died. And the choice of how to cause her death wasn't a quick one. 
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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:58:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She wasn't a fresh Luv model - she was his most recent attempt to make a replicant that could breed. He knew from the diagnostics he did with the little floating eye stones that he had failed. Quote HistoryQuoted: She wasn't a fresh Luv model - she was his most recent attempt to make a replicant that could breed. He knew from the diagnostics he did with the little floating eye stones that he had failed. Quoted: To establish his indifference to his creations (and his danger as a villain). Wallace sees them as things, to be discarded like a used tissue on a whim. As to that particular scene, I took it as a "another failure... back the drawing board" moment. Quoted: Because he can. It's a sacrifice. To his godliness. A bringer of life and death. Before, Tyrell was still under the coercion of the government. He had a healthy respect for it. Perhaps more of an equal footing outlook since he provided a useful service to the state. More of a cooperative effort. In this one, it seems to have flipped. Wallace is allowed indulgences. For things he's done to keep things going since the revolution. one of the shorts goes into it a bit. He came up with solutions. The government provides. It also can explain his ability to escape any retribution when Luv kills the Police Chief. And also the coroner tech death without repercussion. Allowances are made as long as Wallace doesn't go too far. Little people are disposable. Luv knows this well. The government's perception is a willingness to allow things because of what the corporation provides. Wallace's outlook is more of a contempt. He exercises a certain latitude of control with the government. As was suggested a little earlier, this might be reflected in the personas of the two replicants who are closest to their makers. Tyrell and Rachel. Niander and Luv. Reflections of their deeper selves. My take on it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is exactly how I took it as well. Not that he could have won, just that he (Sapper) chose death rather than being brought in and risking compromise. He is a hero figure, as is K/Joe in the end. Watch the fight scene again and you will see that K/Joe is not at a disadvantage - he is extremely fast and very strong. When he is beating Sapper into submission he hits far beyond what any normal could - the sound and the force portrayed are impressive. In addition he tells Sapper not to get up and even though Sapper can barely stand - he eventually does and K/Joe shoots him. I thought that first scene with K/Joe and Sapper was very well done. You really wonder if K/Joe is an idiot the way he casually puts his pistol on the table and puts himself at a disadvantage while at the same time making sure Sapper knows why he is there. In my mind I was thinking - this guy is going to get killed! Then the fight starts and after a few seconds we can see why he was so confident in his abilities. Confident in the same way Roy Batty was. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:46:12 PM EDT
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switching back and forth between a Standard Blu-ray and a 4k copy feeding the same TV..In the intro with the tiny letters over the black screen the difference is huge. The closeup of the eye after that? wow
nerdfest yes I know but I'm home taking care of 2 kids with the flu is I needed a dad moment |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is exactly how I took it as well. Not that he could have won, just that he (Sapper) chose death rather than being brought in and risking compromise. He is a hero figure, as is K/Joe in the end. Watch the fight scene again and you will see that K/Joe is not at a disadvantage - he is extremely fast and very strong. When he is beating Sapper into submission he hits far beyond what any normal could - the sound and the force portrayed are impressive. In addition he tells Sapper not to get up and even though Sapper can barely stand - he eventually does and K/Joe shoots him. I thought that first scene with K/Joe and Sapper was very well done. You really wonder if K/Joe is an idiot the way he casually puts his pistol on the table and puts himself at a disadvantage while at the same time making sure Sapper knows why he is there. In my mind I was thinking - this guy is going to get killed! Then the fight starts and after a few seconds we can see why he was so confident in his abilities. Confident in the same way Roy Batty was. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:08:41 PM EDT
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Just watched it. Was surprised, I liked it. Not quite up to the original but wasn’t really disappointed. Felt like it had gaps but I’m hoping a Director’s Cut will fill them in. ETA: I’m very happy they decided to follow the movie timeline instead of making a huge jump into the future to compensate for the future tech envisioned. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:09:52 PM EDT
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Villeneuve stated that the theatrical cut IS the director's cut. He doesn't intend to re-cut it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just watched it. Was surprised, I liked it. Not quite up to the original but wasn’t really disappointed. Felt like it had gaps but I’m hoping a Director’s Cut will fill them in. ETA: I’m very happy they decided to follow the movie timeline instead of making a huge jump into the future to compensate for the future tech envisioned. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:10:37 PM EDT
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This. I don't know what global warming he's referring to. There was a resource/food shortage, a dirty bomb in Vegas. Not sure what other calamities are in play, but I never got a hint that global warming was one of them. I'm pretty sure even the first film indicated that the climate had changed. Non-stop rain in LA for days? When does that happen? Pretty rarely I'm guessing. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:12:26 PM EDT
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Why did Joe lie down and die on the steps. There has to be something 'big' in that moment that I'm not getting. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:13:49 PM EDT
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I liked the 2049 movie a lot, and my wife loved it.  Like others, I was a little apprehensive, because I loved the original Blade Runner, and was worried that 2049 would disappoint. I think it's a fantastic sequel, and really like the story telling and the visuals.
However, there is ONE thing that bothers me, and hopefully someone can explain. WHY does K/Joe believe that he might be Deckard & Rachel's kid? That part never made sense to me. Obviously I understand that he has the memories, but if he WERE the kid, how in the world would he have become a Blade Runner, who is owned by the police department? Clearly, the police department must have purchased him from Wallace at some point. There is ZERO explanation possible (as far as I can tell), how a human/replicant hybrid could have been BORN to Deckard/Rachel, and then somehow magically have appeared in the Police department as a purchased replicant. Plus, EVEN IF it were somehow possible for the people protecting the child to have snuck him into an order from Wallace to the police department, why in the world would they have chosen the life of a Replicant for the child? That would also make no sense at all, since openly being a replicant would put him at risk of violence from humans. That's my only beef with the movie - that a smart investigator like K would never in a million years have believed that he might be the lost child, because there's no way that makes sense. Did I miss something? Frankly, that explained it perfectly for me. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:17:33 PM EDT
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The whole baseline concept bothers me. Supposedly failing a baseline (what I assume to be an AI diagnostic) results in retirement. OK. So, this thing that is stronger and faster than you that’s been designed to basically kill has a malfunctioning artificial intelligence, and the guy running the diagnostic TELLS the thing it’s “way off baseline (so we are supposed to kill you before you flip your shit and start offing us)”? And the captain does the same thing? Seems incredibly stupid. It seemed that these Replicants had Asimov's laws of robotics built in to some degree, and it was made very very clear that they Obey. So while they could be emotionally off-kilter, I'm guessing their programming wouldn't allow a random killing spree. Luv was obviously made differently. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Agreed. In many ways Wallace is the least human and most evil character in the movie. Highly manipulative, a strong sense of entitlement with an attitude that society's rules shouldn't apply to him, manifests cruelty without any hint of remorse...Wallace is a psychopath. Blade Runner is about humanity, and Wallace serves as a foil in that regard. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Highly manipulative, a strong sense of entitlement with an attitude that society's rules shouldn't apply to him, manifests cruelty without any hint of remorse...Wallace is a psychopath. Blade Runner is about humanity, and Wallace serves as a foil in that regard. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:25:53 PM EDT
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You're not very familiar with Christian iconography, are you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why did Joe lie down and die on the steps. There has to be something 'big' in that moment that I'm not getting. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:36:06 PM EDT
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No. Could you explain it? 
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPlease explain what you mean. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:48:11 PM EDT
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That's not helpful. Please explain what you mean. The Pietà A representation of Christ when he was taken off the cross. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:48:58 PM EDT
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That's not helpful. Please explain what you mean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's not helpful. Please explain what you mean. I get the resemblance, but I don't know that it really means anything here, unless in irony. K/Joe turned out to be a regular Replicant, certainly not the Christ figure that he had hoped to be. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:03:54 PM EDT
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If I wanted to get "deep" about that scene, it resembles Pieta with the dead Jesus cradled by his mother.
There is nobody there to cradle K because he had no mother; he's just a Replicant. The scene thus demonstrates K's humanity and inhumanity simultaneously. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sapper is like like an old muscle car, still capable of beating most cars, but getting old. K is like a Corvette, and Luv, Wallace's right hand replicant is basically a McLaren P1/Bugatti Chiron, with no expense spared. 
The scene when she kills the lab tech was powerful - as was her final interaction with Robin Wright's character. Luv makes it clear she despises not just lower Replicants but many humans as well. That actress is very good. I hoped at the end she would turn (in the interests of her kind) but obviously her loyalty to Wallace was too great.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pietà A representation of Christ when he was taken off the cross. Rugerlvr should explain why he considers them connected. Same for whatever other Christian iconography he feels he saw in 2049. ... unless the goal is to play 20 questions. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She wasn't a fresh Luv model - she was his most recent attempt to make a replicant that could breed. He knew from the diagnostics he did with the little floating eye stones that he had failed. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:32:17 PM EDT
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You're not very familiar with Christian iconography, are you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why did Joe lie down and die on the steps. There has to be something 'big' in that moment that I'm not getting. Oh! Did 'K' go to heaven? |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:36:50 PM EDT
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No. Could you explain it? Probably it goes deeper than that. K sees himself as Deckard's son even though he discovers he is not. Deckard is "God" in as much as he created a new species, and Rachel (like Mary) birthed a child which although was not a virgin birth was something of a miracle. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:37:18 PM EDT
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I fell asleep three times.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have the DVD watch it again. K has a wound in his hand, a wound in his side, and a wound/blood on his forehead. His humanity (or possibly his super humanity) is being displayed by comparison to Christ. He laid down his life for Deckard and his "sister". Probably it goes deeper than that. K sees himself as Deckard's son even though he discovers he is not. Deckard is "God" in as much as he created a new species, and Rachel (like Mary) birthed a child which although was not a virgin birth was something of a miracle. I just don't see it. He is wounded, yes. And in those places. But comparing him to Christ using those is a large stretch. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Rugerlvr should explain why he considers them connected. Same for whatever other Christian iconography he feels he saw in 2049. ... unless the goal is to play 20 questions. I didn't think it could be any clearer. Has society so completely forgotten Christ? We've already discussed K's sacrifice earlier in the thread. One poster had a damn good synopsis of how this movie's main sub-theme is sacrifice. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:43:31 PM EDT
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Hey...noticed a little nipple in when the girlfriend got put on "hold" in the rain
Hey at least its better than this whole biblical comparison BS |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:45:30 PM EDT
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I fell asleep three times. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:47:48 PM EDT
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Hey...noticed a little nipple in when the girlfriend got put on "hold" in the rain Hey at least its better than this whole biblical comparison BS You can claim that the comparison is BS, but I'll bet if you asked Villeneuve, he'd tell you that was his intention. The same damn thing occurs in Blade Runner 2019 when Batty sticks a nail through his palm. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:50:26 PM EDT
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I have it on iTunes and have watched it probably a dozen times. (Though not often paying attention - it's on right now, actually, in the background while I work). I just don't see it. He is wounded, yes. And in those places. But comparing him to Christ using those is a large stretch. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:01:15 PM EDT
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It was a ritual. He soothed it's fear before he killed it. And he held her while she died. And the choice of how to cause her death wasn't a quick one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: To establish his indifference to his creations (and his danger as a villain). Wallace sees them as things, to be discarded like a used tissue on a whim. As to that particular scene, I took it as a "another failure... back the drawing board" moment. C-sections for everybody! |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Luv character was outstanding! Small and thin, beautiful but hard edged, razor focused and yet emotional, and of course brutally lethal.
The scene when she kills the lab tech was powerful - as was her final interaction with Robin Wright's character. Luv makes it clear she despises not just lower Replicants but many humans as well. That actress is very good. I hoped at the end she would turn (in the interests of her kind) but obviously her loyalty to Wallace was too great. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/30143/Sylvia_Hoeks_Luv-436077.JPG |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:03:13 PM EDT
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Watched it on the plane lastnight. Shit was retarded.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pieta I get the resemblance, but I don't know that it really means anything here, unless in irony. K/Joe turned out to be a regular Replicant, certainly not the Christ figure that he had hoped to be. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:11:36 PM EDT
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ru Well, It's fairly clear that the director, Villeneuve, used Christ-imagery at the end, for K's "death." You can claim that the comparison is BS, but I'll bet if you asked Villeneuve, he'd tell you that was his intention. The same damn thing occurs in Blade Runner 2019 when Batty sticks a nail through his palm. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:23:37 PM EDT
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That edit annoys the fuck out of me. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:28:09 PM EDT
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That edit annoys the fuck out of me. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He thought the memory was his and wanted to be "special", Joi told him all the time he was "special". K was not the unique unicorn from the first film he was just an ordinary horse. If you look close at the horse sculpture it is a unicorn with the horn broken off. The point was the inverse of the first movie K became special because he chose to, not because he was the "chosen one" like Rachel or Deckard. The majority of the themes dealt with free will or the lack of. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:40:26 PM EDT
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You didn't notice the wound in K's side, or the lacerations on his hands? I didn't think it could be any clearer. Has society so completely forgotten Christ? We've already discussed K's sacrifice earlier in the thread. One poster had a damn good synopsis of how this movie's main sub-theme is sacrifice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes. Rugerlvr should explain why he considers them connected. Same for whatever other Christian iconography he feels he saw in 2049. ... unless the goal is to play 20 questions. I didn't think it could be any clearer. Has society so completely forgotten Christ? We've already discussed K's sacrifice earlier in the thread. One poster had a damn good synopsis of how this movie's main sub-theme is sacrifice. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:51:32 PM EDT
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I'm not following why it anoys you. You think the statement is false aggrandizement? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That edit annoys the fuck out of me. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Removed" 
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its sad that so many have forgotten the sacrifices made on our behalves. TLDR: Don't be ridiculous. sheesh. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:59:47 PM EDT
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I asked a stupid question about the horse and thought better of it...
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .... because disagreeing with or not sharing a perceived connection between scenery in a movie and the story of Christ is somehow a reflection of the moral status of our nation. TLDR: Don't be ridiculous. sheesh. Like the last scene of "The Omega Man" with Charlton Heston, in 1971. Forget not: 
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:20:02 PM EDT
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Well he didn't care about her feelings he was pissed her uterus didn't work so he cut her. Notice how Luv kills Joshi the same way? C-sections for everybody! Oh! Thank you! I watched it last night and wondered why Luv slashed Joshi the way she did before fatally stabbing her. The slash seemed a bit "low" for tactical purposes. Now I see how it was an act of pure malice. It was Luv jealously striking out at something Joshi had (as a natural born woman) that Luv lacked; a functional womb. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:24:35 PM EDT
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Well, your combativeness over this seems to fly in the face of 2000 years of art and literature in the west, where Christ has been a central figure, and also merely an allusion, however never forget the outsize influence of Christianity on art in general. Christ-centered themes abound in movies and have for a long time. Like the last scene of "The Omega Man" with Charlton Heston, in 1971. Forget not: http://www.cultreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the-omega-man-5.png Also, K does not have a wound on his forehead in the final scene. He does have some dried blood at his hairline from incidents earlier in the movie. He does not have holes through his hands. One is sliced open in the final fight scene with Joi. It is wrapped. He is stabbed and shot in his right side. The gunshot is not shown. The stab is. In the scene he and Joi are locked together and it's the best move she can make. He was also wounded in that area in the scene where Deckard's car was blown up. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:47:34 PM EDT
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Oh! Thank you! I watched it last night and wondered why Luv slashed Joshi the way she did before fatally stabbing her. The slash seemed a bit "low" for tactical purposes. Now I see how it was an act of pure malice. It was Luv jealously striking out at something Joshi had (as a natural born woman) that Luv lacked; a functional womb. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Well he didn't care about her feelings he was pissed her uterus didn't work so he cut her. Notice how Luv kills Joshi the same way? C-sections for everybody! Now I see how it was an act of pure malice. It was Luv jealously striking out at something Joshi had (as a natural born woman) that Luv lacked; a functional womb. K likes to drink whiskey like his mentor Joshi but I'm not sure if it is significant or not other than to humanize him (and her). |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 6:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think its also a reflection of her mentor, she is imitating Wallace. She kisses K after stabbing him like Wallace did as well. K likes to drink whiskey like his mentor Joshi but I'm not sure if it is significant or not other than to humanize him (and her). The only other time you see him drink in the movie is when Deckard offers him one. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 6:30:41 PM EDT
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I think it's another device to interact with Joi. Like the cigarette, except less 'real' because he has to drink her glass himself. The only other time you see him drink in the movie is when Deckard offers him one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I think its also a reflection of her mentor, she is imitating Wallace. She kisses K after stabbing him like Wallace did as well. K likes to drink whiskey like his mentor Joshi but I'm not sure if it is significant or not other than to humanize him (and her). The only other time you see him drink in the movie is when Deckard offers him one. |
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