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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:35:13 PM EST
[#1]
Screen shot the ad
If he says anything but refund or send it back, initiate claim with gunbroker. You gave him his chance. If gunbroker fucks you, do a CC chargeback Once the CC is charged back permeantly, have the FFL mail the rifle back but only after the chargeback sticks Move on with your life |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:35:25 PM EST
[#2]
nm if buyer wants to disclose seller, he can.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:35:41 PM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most No.... No, it's not. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:38:04 PM EST
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Top 25 GB seller here
He Should take that rifle back on his dime as it is obviously not as described Could be a factory error but more likely he switched uppers , or it is actually a used rifle someone switched uppers on Or , it's a "new" rifle he received from a distributior that was returned to the distributor by a dealer that swapped the upper
You letter is too long winded . Tell him you are sending the rifle back and you expect a refund including original shipping and return shipping. If he will not do that get your CC involved. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:39:04 PM EST
[#5]
nm
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:40:58 PM EST
[#6]
He's east coast so probably wont have a response until tomorrow AM. Will update this thread and will not leave you guys hanging
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:45:38 PM EST
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or did your dealer swap the uppers? Were you there when he opened the box?
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:52:55 PM EST
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I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az Too much wishy washy BS. Just get straight to the point. The only thing that you have to explain to him is that the item you got is not what you bought. He can either send you the correct rifle or your money. Either way you aren't accepting the one he shipped. That's it, end of story. If you are trying to weasel out of allowing him sending you the correct rifle then you are in the wrong, not him. He would be within his rights try to correct the error in a timely manner and fulfill the terms of the auction. All this bullshit about how you are jaded and want to call the whole thing off is cunt talk. Don't be that guy. That doesn't mean you have to accept the wrong rifle or wait a month for him to make it right with the correct rifle. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:54:22 PM EST
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While I would love a 1/9 HBAR that isn't correct for that rifle
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:55:42 PM EST
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Can you file a claim with gun broker? He lied according to that, file a complaint get. Your money back fuck him Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I bought a brand new Colt AR15A4 20" M16A4 off of gunbroker from a storefront. Paid, shipped all is well. Got the rifle in today at my FFL. Has a fucking 1:9 twist HBAR barrel.... EVERY AR15A4 i've ever seen has the correct 1:7 twist. It even states it in the ad. Needless to say i was super pissed and disappointed. I do not think it was the gunshops fault, but regardless i did not get what i paid for. Equivalent of ordering a V8 mustang and it shows up with a V6. So i did NOT accept the rifle at my FFL and kept it in his possession and contacted the seller. He has been very responsive so far. I am wanting a return at this point as this whole experience left me jaded. He is saying no, and the ad stated "AS-IS, and no returns". He is offering to send me a replacement rifle when one becomes available. I told him I do not want this at this point and just want a return. He then wrote "why would a replacement be unacceptable". What can I do? At this point I just want a return and i'll buy one locally i can inspect. I REALLY do not want to file a claim with my bank to get my money back or be a dick to this guy either. What's the best and most polite way to do this? Can you file a claim with gun broker? He lied according to that, file a complaint get. Your money back fuck him Please Let us know how that works out |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:59:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too much wishy washy BS. Just get straight to the point. The only thing that you have to explain to him is that the item you got is not what you bought. He can either send you the correct rifle or your money. Either way you aren't accepting the one he shipped. That's it, end of story. If you are trying to weasel out of allowing him sending you the correct rifle then you are in the wrong, not him. He would be within his rights try to correct the error in a timely manner and fulfill the terms of the auction. All this bullshit about how you are jaded and want to call the whole thing off is cunt talk. Don't be that guy. That doesn't mean you have to accept the wrong rifle or wait a month for him to make it right with the correct rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az Too much wishy washy BS. Just get straight to the point. The only thing that you have to explain to him is that the item you got is not what you bought. He can either send you the correct rifle or your money. Either way you aren't accepting the one he shipped. That's it, end of story. If you are trying to weasel out of allowing him sending you the correct rifle then you are in the wrong, not him. He would be within his rights try to correct the error in a timely manner and fulfill the terms of the auction. All this bullshit about how you are jaded and want to call the whole thing off is cunt talk. Don't be that guy. That doesn't mean you have to accept the wrong rifle or wait a month for him to make it right with the correct rifle. I tend to be nice to people, and do not believe he is personally responsible (might be who knows). That said I understand what you are saying. What i comes down to is this. If that auction had a shipping time of two+ weeks i would have said fuck that and moved on. If that auction stated i would get a cock tease rifle, THEN i MIGHT get a correct replacement in who knows how fucking long, I would have said Fuck it. My only job was to provide him with money and an FFL. I did my part. He failed on his. I do not want a replacement regardless if it is "right", I just want my money back to start over. Being a dick up front usually does not get you what you want. Hence the "cunt" talk  |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:59:32 PM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most I have one 16" upper that's 1:9, I like it. I'd be pissed though if I ordered a barrel that said 1:7 then I got a 1:9. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:01:37 PM EST
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You ordered X, you got Y.
Keep your response short and sweet, he didn't fulfill his obligation. He either refunds it, or you go through your credit card company. And like the other guy said, you are being way too nice. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:08:04 PM EST
[#14]
Ah, the ol bait n switch.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:08:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You ordered X, you got Y. Keep your response short and sweet, he didn't fulfill his obligation. He either refunds it, or you go through your credit card company. And like the other guy said, you are being way too nice. I know, i have to change that one of these days.  |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:11:45 PM EST
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Hold on to the gun until November. Sell it at an obscene profit during the ensuing "mother of all panics."
We all should be buying as many AR's as we can lay our hands on right now. If you don't, you'll be sorry. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:12:22 PM EST
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Hold on to the gun until November. Sell it at an obscene profit during the ensuing "mother of all panics." We all should be buying as many AR's as we can lay our hands on right now. If you don't, you'll be sorry. Bought to lowers the other day
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:17:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hold on to the gun until November. Sell it at an obscene profit during the ensuing "mother of all panics." We all should be buying as many AR's as we can lay our hands on right now. If you don't, you'll be sorry. If H wins I think there will be a panic but stuff will not be nearly as sparse as Sandy Hook ( nothing available at any price ) more like first Obama election panic ( higher prices but still reasonably available stuff if you want to pay for it ) IMO buy parts , those ass loads of $50 lowers out there will need to be built |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:18:38 PM EST
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I was once, like you a really nice guy to everybody. until I learned the hard way people are
assholes and will rip you off the chance they get. put yourself in his shoes , you being responsible wouldn't you fulfill the buyers request for money back? I would keep it short and professional , don't be all mushy about it. Be , simple, upfront and serious. good luck |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:20:14 PM EST
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"The description in your listing stated the rifle had a government profile 1:7 twist barrel. That is what I purchased.
Instead, you shipped a rifle with a heavy barrel 1:9 twist. That is unacceptable. To rectify the situation send a paid shipping label to my FFL so he can send it back to you and provide me with a full refund, including the shipping charge I originally paid." |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:24:56 PM EST
[#21]
Dude....man the fuck up....shit.....somebody ban OP.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:25:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The description in your listing stated the rifle had a government profile 1:7 twist barrel. That is what I purchased. Instead, you shipped a rifle with a heavy barrel 1:9 twist. That is unacceptable. To rectify the situation send a paid shipping label to my FFL so he can send it back to you and provide me with a full refund, including the shipping charge I originally paid." damn where were you an hour ago  |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:42:36 PM EST
[#23]
That sucks, good luck OP
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Posted: 6/8/2016 10:49:38 PM EST
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If the ad says 1/7 and the rifle you received is 1/9 that should be the end of the matter. The seller gets the rifle back on his dime and OP gets his money back with an apology. That's how it should work. Add me to the list of people interested to see how this turns out. I'd like to know who the seller is. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:18:06 PM EST
[#25]
WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back.
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:25:51 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not mil-spec though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most Its not mil-spec though |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:28:57 PM EST
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To clarify i DO NOT want a replacement as I will buy one locally now. That is the point i want to get across. I'm not too worried about Gunbrokers take, as My Credit card/Bank should have my back on this. FWIW the rifle shipped in a box labeled AR15A4 and the Receiver said AR15A4. Top of barrel was shiny and after lifting it i was like WTF thats heavy, and looked at top of barrel. Sure enough 1:9 HBAR Here is the generic description from sellers ad: Item #: AR15A4 UPC_Code: 098289023292 Description: CLT RIFLE AR15A4 20B 5.56 30R Manufacturer: Colt Model #: AR15A4 Type: Rifle: Semi-Auto Finish: Matte Black Stock: Fixed A2 Sights: FT: Adjustable Post RR: Adjustable A2 Barrel Length: 20 Overall Length: Weight: Caliber: 5.56 NATO|223 Capacity: 30+1 Action: Semi-Automatic # of Mags: 1 Chokes: Packaging: Receiver: Black Matte Anodized Flat Top Chamber: Muzzle: Bird Cage Flash Hider Features: Removeable Carry Handle 1-7 Gov't Profile Barrel The winning bid is a cash or check price. We add 3% for other forms of payment. Shipping and handling is 30.00 for USPS and 35.00 for UPS. We do not guarantee 2nd day. Before you bid make sure you are legal to purchase and own this firearm in your state of residence. All sales are final, no refunds or exchanges. New or used? Colt makes changes without notifying the world. Why not just let him send a replacement rifle? Seems like it would put the issue to bed and you could lower your blood pressure. You can always file a complaint with your CC company while you wait for a replacement, and then withdraw the complaint should the replacement arrive within the time period. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:29:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you are shooting over 62gr you're fine. 77smk is not going to shoot well out of 1:9. But anything else from 69gr on down will be fine. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:41:37 PM EST
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If he offered to replace it gb will not do anything unless he can not have one in a reasonable time. What is "reasonable?" He shipped the wrong item. "When it is available" is not acceptable. The seller should refund the money and take the item back. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:45:54 PM EST
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They went with 1 in 7 for tracer ammo stabilization Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unless you are shooting over 62gr you're fine. 77smk is not going to shoot well out of 1:9. But anything else from 69gr on down will be fine. I'm aware. Which is why I said 69 and down he's fine. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:52:13 PM EST
[#31]
1:9 wouldn't bother me. HBAR would.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:05:20 AM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most Maybe op wanted to shoot SMKs. Plus it's HBAR profile in a 20" gun I imagine it would add quite a bit of weight. OP didn't get what he purchased off GB why do you feel the need to make useless comments? |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:43:02 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the most "polite" way of saying i just want a return? Do i have to drop the ill file a claim with my credit card line? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So I bought a brand new Colt AR15A4 20" M16A4 off of gunbroker from a storefront. Paid, shipped all is well. Got the rifle in today at my FFL. Has a fucking 1:9 twist HBAR barrel.... EVERY AR15A4 i've ever seen has the correct 1:7 twist. It even states it in the ad. Needless to say i was super pissed and disappointed. I do not think it was the gunshops fault, but regardless i did not get what i paid for. Equivalent of ordering a V8 mustang and it shows up with a V6. So i did NOT accept the rifle at my FFL and kept it in his possession and contacted the seller. He has been very responsive so far. I am wanting a return at this point as this whole experience left me jaded. He is saying no, and the ad stated "AS-IS, and no returns". He is offering to send me a replacement rifle when one becomes available. I told him I do not want this at this point and just want a return. He then wrote "why would a replacement be unacceptable". What can I do? At this point I just want a return and i'll buy one locally i can inspect. I REALLY do not want to file a claim with my bank to get my money back or be a dick to this guy either. What's the best and most polite way to do this? Whats the most "polite" way of saying i just want a return? Do i have to drop the ill file a claim with my credit card line? There might be some here who say thats BS but trust me I know what I am talking about. I had a cop in Wa state charge back a $1500 pistol, we called the gunshop and they sent us video of the guy picking up the gun , we never had to call the ATF , he sent us an overnight check cert too. But I did talk to one of the ATF agents who said yep, call if you need to |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:44:26 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have your credit card company take care of it and save a copy of the ad in case they want to see it. Fuck that guy. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:45:47 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To clarify i DO NOT want a replacement as I will buy one locally now. That is the point i want to get across. I'm not too worried about Gunbrokers take, as My Credit card/Bank should have my back on this. FWIW the rifle shipped in a box labeled AR15A4 and the Receiver said AR15A4. Top of barrel was shiny and after lifting it i was like WTF thats heavy, and looked at top of barrel. Sure enough 1:9 HBAR Here is the generic description from sellers ad: Item #: AR15A4 UPC_Code: 098289023292 Description: CLT RIFLE AR15A4 20B 5.56 30R Manufacturer: Colt Model #: AR15A4 Type: Rifle: Semi-Auto Finish: Matte Black Stock: Fixed A2 Sights: FT: Adjustable Post RR: Adjustable A2 Barrel Length: 20 Overall Length: Weight: Caliber: 5.56 NATO|223 Capacity: 30+1 Action: Semi-Automatic # of Mags: 1 Chokes: Packaging: Receiver: Black Matte Anodized Flat Top Chamber: Muzzle: Bird Cage Flash Hider Features: Removeable Carry Handle 1-7 Gov't Profile Barrel The winning bid is a cash or check price. We add 3% for other forms of payment. Shipping and handling is 30.00 for USPS and 35.00 for UPS. We do not guarantee 2nd day. Before you bid make sure you are legal to purchase and own this firearm in your state of residence. All sales are final, no refunds or exchanges. So he can send the right one , he should do it fast though You do not have the right to make a demand he take a return |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:47:07 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: charge back? not as described ? will take a while but you will have your money back unless the bank says eww gun.. and girly runs away |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:48:46 AM EST
[#37]
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According to the ad he made a mistake, according to the ad he said no returns or as is? So he can send the right one , he should do it fast though You do not have the right to make a demand he take a return Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To clarify i DO NOT want a replacement as I will buy one locally now. That is the point i want to get across. I'm not too worried about Gunbrokers take, as My Credit card/Bank should have my back on this. FWIW the rifle shipped in a box labeled AR15A4 and the Receiver said AR15A4. Top of barrel was shiny and after lifting it i was like WTF thats heavy, and looked at top of barrel. Sure enough 1:9 HBAR Here is the generic description from sellers ad: Item #: AR15A4 UPC_Code: 098289023292 Description: CLT RIFLE AR15A4 20B 5.56 30R Manufacturer: Colt Model #: AR15A4 Type: Rifle: Semi-Auto Finish: Matte Black Stock: Fixed A2 Sights: FT: Adjustable Post RR: Adjustable A2 Barrel Length: 20 Overall Length: Weight: Caliber: 5.56 NATO|223 Capacity: 30+1 Action: Semi-Automatic # of Mags: 1 Chokes: Packaging: Receiver: Black Matte Anodized Flat Top Chamber: Muzzle: Bird Cage Flash Hider Features: Removeable Carry Handle 1-7 Gov't Profile Barrel The winning bid is a cash or check price. We add 3% for other forms of payment. Shipping and handling is 30.00 for USPS and 35.00 for UPS. We do not guarantee 2nd day. Before you bid make sure you are legal to purchase and own this firearm in your state of residence. All sales are final, no refunds or exchanges. You do not have the right to make a demand he take a return 
He most certainly does have the right to demand a return. It wasn't the correct product he bought and paid for. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:50:02 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he opposes i will direct him to this thread, post the company, and change my tone There are some vindictive pricks out there |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:51:28 AM EST
[#39]
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20inch HBAR sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most 20inch HBAR sucks. Mine was a laser beam with .62 gr Horandy bullets over 25 gr.s of Varget. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:53:24 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. the will ask for proof the rifle is returned, if shop owner will not take it back you cannot just ship it to him, he can refuse the shipment and then it gets sent back with no proof of delivery CC will not issue refund If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:07:11 PM EST
[#41]
I'd like to know who the seller is so I can avoid him.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:08:15 PM EST
[#42]
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If he has the rife he cannot charge it back via his CC co the will ask for proof the rifle is returned, if shop owner will not take it back you cannot just ship it to him, he can refuse the shipment and then it gets sent back with no proof of delivery CC will not issue refund Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. UPS/USPS/FedEx usually drop a stack of boxes off and get them all signed for at once. If the FFL doesn't know it's coming back he won't notice what's in the package and who shipped it until after he signs for it and opens it. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun ATF won't do anything because it's a civil matter, and if you were a licensee I could point you to a discussion about a recent incident (except in this one the FFL is the douche who did the chargeback on another FFL). |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:14:00 PM EST
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun What the heck is wrong with you? Read the damn thread. He never took delivery of the firearm and it sits at his FFL. Geesh! |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:15:57 PM EST
[#44]
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20inch HBAR sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most 20inch HBAR sucks. This. Had one during the ban. Front heavy m'fer. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:16:32 PM EST
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1:9 wouldn't bother me. HBAR would. Agreed, I like 1:9. But even worse than being an H-Bar, is that a lot of those bbl configs by Colt came through as NON chrome lined. 
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:20:26 PM EST
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1:9 wouldn't bother me. HBAR would. Same here. I am interested how this turns out for the OP. It sucks not getting what you paid for. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:27:14 PM EST
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This. Your email was too nice and long winded and I bet he will feel he can talk you into keeping the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az You're being far too fucking nice. "I ordered a 1/7 upper. This is a 1/9 upper. I'm sending it back and not paying for anything. Thank you." If he says anything other than, "Shit, you're right, my bad, let me get that." go through your fucking credit card company. Sweet fucking christ. That's my take on it. . . what the hell was the part about you potentially being a return customer  you start off by saying you're done with online sales and then it sounds like you're trying to coax him into what is already a CRAZY reasonable solution.
Tell the fucker that "AS/IS" doesn't mean he can rip people off and you'll be contacting your credit card, colt, and gunbroker to resolve this if he can't (ASAP) |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:30:41 PM EST
[#48]
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If he has the rife he cannot charge it back via his CC co the will ask for proof the rifle is returned, if shop owner will not take it back you cannot just ship it to him, he can refuse the shipment and then it gets sent back with no proof of delivery CC will not issue refund If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun According to the OP the rifle is still in the possession of the receiving FFL: So i did NOT accept the rifle at my FFL and kept it in his possession and contacted the seller. Would that make a difference? |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:32:51 PM EST
[#49]
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If he has the rife he cannot charge it back via his CC co the will ask for proof the rifle is returned, if shop owner will not take it back you cannot just ship it to him, he can refuse the shipment and then it gets sent back with no proof of delivery CC will not issue refund If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun Does the ATF take a lotnof theft reports? |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:39:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Your email was too nice and long winded and I bet he will feel he can talk you into keeping the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az You're being far too fucking nice. "I ordered a 1/7 upper. This is a 1/9 upper. I'm sending it back and not paying for anything. Thank you." If he says anything other than, "Shit, you're right, my bad, let me get that." go through your fucking credit card company. Sweet fucking christ. KISS principle like tyman said. |
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