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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:54:16 PM EST
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I expended every legal avenue available to me, spent tens of thousands of dollars, and finally gave in to a system stacked against me. I don't see that as remotely close to letting my daughter get bullied to death, and sending a few emails in a weak attempt to deal with it. not bullied to death. bullied to suicide. HUGE difference. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:55:10 PM EST
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not bullied to death. bullied to suicide. HUGE difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I expended every legal avenue available to me, spent tens of thousands of dollars, and finally gave in to a system stacked against me. I don't see that as remotely close to letting my daughter get bullied to death, and sending a few emails in a weak attempt to deal with it. not bullied to death. bullied to suicide. HUGE difference. Fair enough. At the end of the day a young girl is dead because her parents allowed this to happen to her. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:59:55 PM EST
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I've spent more time with my kids over the past 4 years than my parents spent with me over 18 years.
Both of my parents worked, and I was a latchkey kid like many others in my generation. Daycare and babysitters constituted my before and after-school hours. Travel and my hobbies kept my childhood interesting enough to not fall into despair, as I had seen so many other kids with nothing in other parts of the world. My advice is for parents to stay at home with their children as much as possible, if that means just one spouse working. Nobody has more interest in your kids than you, and nobody will protect them like you will, especially the wardens at the local asylum. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:01:29 PM EST
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. Those mere words are compounded by social media, and a 13 year old girl is extremely self conscious at that age. There is no doubt that mere words are now having more of an effect on kids these days. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:02:22 PM EST
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Those mere words are compounded by social media, and a 13 year old girl is extremely self conscious at that age. There is no doubt that mere words are now having more of an effect on kids these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. Those mere words are compounded by social media, and a 13 year old girl is extremely self conscious at that age. There is no doubt that mere words are now having more of an effect on kids these days. Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:05:54 PM EST
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She was clearly left in the school, and had access to social media. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And you know with 100% certainty that that was the extent of their action because..... 
She was clearly left in the school, and had access to social media. Yes, she was allowed to continue to go to that school. Not sure how much they can be faulted for that. They were obviously pro-active in communicating their concerns with the school and being assured by the school that the situation was being monitored and addressed (which turned out to be lies). Maybe the girl was becoming more withdrawn and less communicative about her problems. That in should be a red flag, but perhaps they were trying to work through that when things spiraled out of control. I don't know, and neither do you. Yet one of us is casting stones. As for social media, do you have 100% control over your kids? Did your parents have 100% control of you? Maybe they were trying to limit her access and she did what kids do. Maybe she was allowed continued access because it was an important outlet for her to communicate with whatever support network she did have. Locking your kid in their room and isolating them might not be the best course of action, either. It's good to know that there are 100% perfect parents like you out there. Marc told school officials about the fake profile a year before Emilie took her own life, writing, “we would appreciate you looking into this for us.” This is a perfect example of failure. The dad wants the school to address social media issues? I read that as he wanted the school to be aware of the level that the bullying had risen to and to keep an eye/ear out for who may be participating in it. Not that he expected them to conduct a full investigation and hold a trial. I think that you are reading to much into that. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:09:18 PM EST
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Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. some people only have access to their children online because they live so far away from them.. Do you monitor your children's online footprint with the voracity that you do threads in GD? (the answer of course is NO) |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:09:57 PM EST
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Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. Those mere words are compounded by social media, and a 13 year old girl is extremely self conscious at that age. There is no doubt that mere words are now having more of an effect on kids these days. Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. Even outright denying them access doesn't prevent them from experiencing the effects of it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:11:37 PM EST
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I've spent more time with my kids over the past 4 years than my parents spent with me over 18 years. Both of my parents worked, and I was a latchkey kid like many others in my generation. Daycare and babysitters constituted my before and after-school hours. Travel and my hobbies kept my childhood interesting enough to not fall into despair, as I had seen so many other kids with nothing in other parts of the world. My advice is for parents to stay at home with their children as much as possible, if that means just one spouse working. Nobody has more interest in your kids than you, and nobody will protect them like you will, especially the wardens at the local asylum. Good advice. We have found a balance that has worked well for our family. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:15:54 PM EST
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some people only have access to their children online because they live so far away from them.. Do you monitor your children's online footprint with the voracity that you do threads in GD? (the answer of course is NO) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. some people only have access to their children online because they live so far away from them.. Do you monitor your children's online footprint with the voracity that you do threads in GD? (the answer of course is NO) 
If you can't articulate reasonable responses, go for the attack. Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:16:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also agree with this. -K Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Also agree with this. -K I remembered walking back to class after the assault... feeling like i should have defended myself. I was so young, yet even then i understood that there was some wort of evil injustice to rob a person of a right to self defense. I got back to class...and my teacher asked me what was wrong. I lied and said i dont know. But i knew what was wrong. I started openly crying as i felt so helpless for not being able to defend myself. I couldnt even tell my teacher that this was why i was crying...as i felt i would get in trouble just for expressing my desire to have defended myself. The feeling of helplessness in the face of bullying... not the bullying itself... was what really caused me to cry uncontrollably. I will never allow my mods to be subjected to that sort of helplessness. Fuck the public screwl system. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:16:14 PM EST
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bullying is not the causative agent in teen suicides. end of story. concur Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You have a teen daughter? Don't concur - young girls are very emotional. Couple bullying with a fragile psyche and you got problems. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:16:28 PM EST
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I've spent more time with my kids over the past 4 years than my parents spent with me over 18 years. Both of my parents worked, and I was a latchkey kid like many others in my generation. Daycare and babysitters constituted my before and after-school hours. Travel and my hobbies kept my childhood interesting enough to not fall into despair, as I had seen so many other kids with nothing in other parts of the world. My advice is for parents to stay at home with their children as much as possible, if that means just one spouse working. Nobody has more interest in your kids than you, and nobody will protect them like you will, especially the wardens at the local asylum. Excellent post. Then again, my wife and I are homeschooling weirdos. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:23:20 PM EST
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I expended every legal avenue available to me, spent tens of thousands of dollars, and finally gave in to a system stacked against me. I don't see that as remotely close to letting my daughter get bullied to death, and sending a few emails in a weak attempt to deal with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My situation isn't even in the same zip code as this situation. Your situation is not all that different. Your responses make you look like a hypocrite. I expended every legal avenue available to me, spent tens of thousands of dollars, and finally gave in to a system stacked against me. I don't see that as remotely close to letting my daughter get bullied to death, and sending a few emails in a weak attempt to deal with it. I understand that you are in a difficult situation. But looking at it objectively from the outside in, the same judgements that you are holding against this family could be held against you. You don't know what their struggles have been. You don't know the extent of their actions to deal with the situation. Yet you deem them complete failures. If you are glad not to be in anyone's proximity, it should be that of this family. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:29:25 PM EST
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Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. they're also not able to be monitored (as a parent) unless you're standing in the room with your child (or on the receiving end of the call). the point is (told you that I'd have to explain it to you) that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your children are putting up with (or possibly subjecting other children to). children who are bullies usually have parents who are bullies (yeah, I'm talking about you). THOSE are the parents that are responsible (culpable?) in all of this. not the parents of the girl in the article. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:31:10 PM EST
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they're also not able to be monitored (as a parent) unless you're standing in the room with your child (or on the receiving end of the call). the point is (told you that I'd have to explain it to you) that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your children are putting up with (or possibly subjecting other children to). children who are bullies usually have parents who are bullies (yeah, I'm talking about you). THOSE are the parents that are responsible in all of this. not the parents of the girl in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. they're also not able to be monitored (as a parent) unless you're standing in the room with your child (or on the receiving end of the call). the point is (told you that I'd have to explain it to you) that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your children are putting up with (or possibly subjecting other children to). children who are bullies usually have parents who are bullies (yeah, I'm talking about you). THOSE are the parents that are responsible in all of this. not the parents of the girl in the article. They ARE able to be monitored. What makes you think they aren't? Keep the insults coming, son. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:34:04 PM EST
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If you can't articulate reasonable responses, go for the attack. Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely! As a parent in the modern age, you really have to keep a close eye on what your kids are doing online. some people only have access to their children online because they live so far away from them.. Do you monitor your children's online footprint with the voracity that you do threads in GD? (the answer of course is NO)
If you can't articulate reasonable responses, go for the attack. Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. His point was: How do you plan to monitor what your kids are doing on FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, Pinterest, etc? Especially from such a considerable distance? That will prove extremely difficult if not impossible. Think their only access is from home or your devices? Bzzzzzzzttttt. Wrong answer. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:37:43 PM EST
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You have a teen daughter? Don't concur - young girls are very emotional. Couple bullying with a fragile psyche and you got problems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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bullying is not the causative agent in teen suicides. end of story. concur Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You have a teen daughter? Don't concur - young girls are very emotional. Couple bullying with a fragile psyche and you got problems. I went to a high school with over 1200 kids. we did not have 1 suicide.... we had all the female/female drama for 10 different soap opera's, including general nastiness and hate that only an emotional teenage girl could dish out. we had 0 suicides I've been in the medical field 24 years. I stand by my thoughts. I guess we were made a tad more stronger back in the days of Whitesnake and Def Leppard....I've told people that shitty music has caused all this. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:37:54 PM EST
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His point was: How do you plan to monitor what your kids are doing on FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, Pinterest, etc? Especially from such a considerable distance? That will prove extremely difficult if not impossible. Think their only access is from home or your devices? Bzzzzzzzttttt. Wrong answer. This parent wasn't at considerable distance. He lived in the house with his daughter. There are commercial tools available for monitoring social media. Further, maintaining access to those accounts is simple. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:44:15 PM EST
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They ARE able to be monitored. What makes you think they aren't? Keep the insults coming, son. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Online access comes in many forms. Skype and video calls don't require twitter and facebook. they're also not able to be monitored (as a parent) unless you're standing in the room with your child (or on the receiving end of the call). the point is (told you that I'd have to explain it to you) that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your children are putting up with (or possibly subjecting other children to). children who are bullies usually have parents who are bullies (yeah, I'm talking about you). THOSE are the parents that are responsible in all of this. not the parents of the girl in the article. They ARE able to be monitored. What makes you think they aren't? Keep the insults coming, son. it's not an insult, it's an observation... this just like every other thread you post in, is filled with your bullying comments and judgemental statements. I'd like you to explain to me HOW you KNOW they're monitored when you can't even tell me what they wore today or what they ate for lunch.. keep shoveling the bullshit, maybe there is someone here that is buying it, but I'm certainly not one of them.. and averaging 20 posts a day on ARF over the last 7 years, I'd bet you know exactly DICK about the online habits of anyone in your family.. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:45:35 PM EST
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it's not an insult, it's an observation... this just like every other thread you post in, is filled with your bullying comments and judgemental statements. I'd like you to explain to me HOW you KNOW they're monitored when you can't even tell me what they wore today or what they ate for lunch.. keep shoveling the bullshit, maybe there is someone here that is buying it, but I'm certainly not one of them.. I dropped them off at school this morning. I can tell you what test they're taking, along with what they're wearing. 
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:46:56 PM EST
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This parent wasn't at considerable distance. He lived in the house with his daughter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His point was: How do you plan to monitor what your kids are doing on FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, Pinterest, etc? Especially from such a considerable distance? That will prove extremely difficult if not impossible. Think their only access is from home or your devices? Bzzzzzzzttttt. Wrong answer. This parent wasn't at considerable distance. He lived in the house with his daughter. He was asking you a direct question. 
There are commercial tools available for monitoring social media. Further, maintaining access to those accounts is simple. Well, at least for the accounts that you know about. Even then, maybe. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:48:55 PM EST
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He was asking you a direct question.
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His point was: How do you plan to monitor what your kids are doing on FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, Pinterest, etc? Especially from such a considerable distance? That will prove extremely difficult if not impossible. Think their only access is from home or your devices? Bzzzzzzzttttt. Wrong answer. This parent wasn't at considerable distance. He lived in the house with his daughter. He was asking you a direct question.
There are commercial tools available for monitoring social media. Further, maintaining access to those accounts is simple. Well, at least for the accounts that you know about. Even then, maybe. It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:49:35 PM EST
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Again, we're making this about me, instead of the issue at hand.
Stay on topic fellas. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:49:59 PM EST
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I dropped them off at school this morning. I can tell you what test they're taking, along with what they're wearing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's not an insult, it's an observation... this just like every other thread you post in, is filled with your bullying comments and judgemental statements. I'd like you to explain to me HOW you KNOW they're monitored when you can't even tell me what they wore today or what they ate for lunch.. keep shoveling the bullshit, maybe there is someone here that is buying it, but I'm certainly not one of them.. I dropped them off at school this morning. I can tell you what test they're taking, along with what they're wearing. the children of yours that are being raised by other people, hours away from you, you took to school this morning.. ok. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:50:53 PM EST
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the children of yours that are being raised by other people, hours away from you, you took to school this morning.. ok. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's not an insult, it's an observation... this just like every other thread you post in, is filled with your bullying comments and judgemental statements. I'd like you to explain to me HOW you KNOW they're monitored when you can't even tell me what they wore today or what they ate for lunch.. keep shoveling the bullshit, maybe there is someone here that is buying it, but I'm certainly not one of them.. I dropped them off at school this morning. I can tell you what test they're taking, along with what they're wearing. the children of yours that are being raised by other people, hours away from you, you took to school this morning.. ok. At least try to keep up. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:52:13 PM EST
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His point was: How do you plan to monitor what your kids are doing on FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, Pinterest, etc? Especially from such a considerable distance? That will prove extremely difficult if not impossible. Think their only access is from home or your devices? Bzzzzzzzttttt. Wrong answer. This parent wasn't at considerable distance. He lived in the house with his daughter. He was asking you a direct question.
There are commercial tools available for monitoring social media. Further, maintaining access to those accounts is simple. Well, at least for the accounts that you know about. Even then, maybe. It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:54:18 PM EST
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It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. Hows this: Do the very best you can. Throwing your hands up because this is all too hard seems to be the logical conclusion you're working toward. No, you can't be all over everything 100% of the time. Being an involved and diligent parent includes doing everything in your power to monitor your children's behavior online and off. Enough excuses. Fucking hell, man. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:56:05 PM EST
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Attaboy to all of the posters here proud of being more emotionally durable than a 13 year old girl.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:56:11 PM EST
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It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. nah.. it's EASY... that's why over 12M people had no idea their spouse had an ashley madison account.. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:57:09 PM EST
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nah.. it's EASY... that's why over 12M people had no idea their spouse had an ashley madison account.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. nah.. it's EASY... that's why over 12M people had no idea their spouse had an ashley madison account.. Do you monitor your spouse's electronic correspondence? I don't. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:01:21 PM EST
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It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. nah.. it's EASY... that's why over 12M people had no idea their spouse had an ashley madison account.. Do you monitor your spouse's electronic correspondence? I don't. not anymore, huh.. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:05:08 PM EST
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I've long held the unpopular belief that bullies have a place in the development of rational, self-sufficient adults. We are now reaping the rewards of raising a generation to think that they are special and that they shouldn't feel ashamed of anything when they arent that special and there is a whole hell of a lot for them to be ashamed of.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:05:19 PM EST
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:05:42 PM EST
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So what did the parents do, exactly? My daughters wouldn't be in this circumstance. I wouldn't allow it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To provide an education, a school also have to provide a reasonable environment that is conducive to learning. Yes, a school can't possibly be responsible to protect children from any form of bullying, but what occurred here appears to have risen above typical bullying. And the parents were involved in trying to mitigate it. I don't see how you can say that they completely failed. And even if they were 50% responsible, then who is responsible for the other 50%? The school completely failed to follow it's own stated policies. Where is the accountability? Why are you giving them a free pass? Also, I remember your sad thread about your daughters. Would you be so cavalier were it one of them in this circumstance? So what did the parents do, exactly? My daughters wouldn't be in this circumstance. I wouldn't allow it. You are also a lot more clued in than most. Are they shitty parents because they never considered monitoring and eliminating social media? Many just aren't that tech savy. Are they shitty parents because they didn't consider escalating past the principal? Many are intimidated by authority. Are they shitty parents because they didn't realize how bad the situation was? Kids tend to keep things bottled in -- you don't know much is a facade to just avoid exposing and dealing with their pain. Blame the parents? Sure, I guess. But realize they where facing something out of the ordinary, something most people don't face. Absolutely no sarcasm, but not everyone is as smart as you. "Common sense ain't all that common", as the saying goes. I wouldn't be so quick to judge. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:07:02 PM EST
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You are also a lot more clued in than most. Are they shitty parents because they never considered monitoring and eliminating social media? Many just aren't that tech savy. Are they shitty parents because they didn't consider escalating past the principal? Many are intimidated by authority. Are they shitty parents because they didn't realize how bad the situation was? Kids tend to keep things bottled in -- you don't know much is a facade to just avoid exposing and dealing with their pain. Blame the parents? Sure, I guess. But realize they where facing something out of the ordinary, something most people don't face. Absolutely no sarcasm, but not everyone is as smart as you. "Common sense ain't all that common", as the saying goes. I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Maybe you're right. It just hits me in the feels when a girl like that kills herself over something that is preventable. 
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:10:24 PM EST
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I've long held the unpopular belief that bullies have a place in the development of rational, self-sufficient adults. We are now reaping the rewards of raising a generation to think that they are special and that they shouldn't feel ashamed of anything when they arent that special and there is a whole hell of a lot for them to be ashamed of. winna...winna... chicken dinner.... |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:14:38 PM EST
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Hows this: Do the very best you can. Throwing your hands up because this is all too hard seems to be the logical conclusion you're working toward. No, you can't be all over everything 100% of the time. Being an involved and diligent parent includes doing everything in your power to monitor your children's behavior online and off. Enough excuses. Fucking hell, man. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not hard to figure out if they have alternative accounts. You are very naive if you sincerely believe this. Hows this: Do the very best you can. Throwing your hands up because this is all too hard seems to be the logical conclusion you're working toward. No, you can't be all over everything 100% of the time. Being an involved and diligent parent includes doing everything in your power to monitor your children's behavior online and off. Enough excuses. Fucking hell, man. I agree with doing the best that we can and being involved in our childrens lives. And by most appearances, it seems like that was what the family of this girl was doing. Like ALL of us, they likely could have done better. I have no doubt that they have regrets and remorse about what more they could have done. Any of us would. But that school failed them as well. I don't agree with another one of your incorrect conclusions, that I am somehow working my way towards rationalizing parents throwing their hands up in the air and giving up. You keep offering simplistic, absolute, black-and-white, one-size-fits-all solutions and framing your hypothetical situations around them. Life and parenting are far more nuanced than that. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:15:22 PM EST
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From Page 1: And you know with 100% certainty that that was the extent of their action because.....
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Found it. Basically says "just walk away from the computer". Rather simplistic solution, and doesn't help when people are laughing about it in real life. Where were the parents during YEARS of abuse by other kids? Sending emails? Come on! And you know with 100% certainty that that was the extent of their action because.....
Hey, what I wrote was in response to what some shitty "rapper" posted on IntaTwitFace and was not a comment on this situation. Tyler "Teh Creator" is a fucking idiot and his thoughts on cyber bullying are idiotic. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:17:39 PM EST
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I don't agree with another one of your incorrect conclusions, that I am somehow working my way towards rationalizing parents throwing their hands up in the air and giving up. You keep offering simplistic, absolute, black-and-white, one-size-fits-all solutions and framing your hypothetical situations around them. Life and parenting are far more nuanced than that. Here are my absolutes: 1) Educate yourself on the digital world. Ignorance is no excuse. 2) Be very involved in your kids and their social circles. 3) Monitor your kid's behavior online and offline. Can we agree on those? |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:28:19 PM EST
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1) Educate yourself on the digital world. Ignorance is no excuse. That's a tall order, considering that nothing is needed to know about procreation beyond "wow that's fun to do!". ETA Hey, I'm all for testing and a license being a requirement to exercise one's reproductive rights. Got no problems turning anchor babies and the Irish into Soylent Green. But a lot of parents -- hell, I'd bet most parents -- are in one way or another incapable of doing what you describe. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:28:58 PM EST
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That's a tall order, considering that nothing is needed to know about procreation beyond "wow that's fun to do!". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Educate yourself on the digital world. Ignorance is no excuse. That's a tall order, considering that nothing is needed to know about procreation beyond "wow that's fun to do!". 
True story. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:33:34 PM EST
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Here are my absolutes: 1) Educate yourself on the digital world. Ignorance is no excuse. 2) Be very involved in your kids and their social circles. 3) Monitor your kid's behavior online and offline. Can we agree on those? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't agree with another one of your incorrect conclusions, that I am somehow working my way towards rationalizing parents throwing their hands up in the air and giving up. You keep offering simplistic, absolute, black-and-white, one-size-fits-all solutions and framing your hypothetical situations around them. Life and parenting are far more nuanced than that. Here are my absolutes: 1) Educate yourself on the digital world. Ignorance is no excuse. 2) Be very involved in your kids and their social circles. 3) Monitor your kid's behavior online and offline. Can we agree on those? I agree with that. and yeah, AFTER the fact, there are any number of things that "could have been done" to prevent this or that from happening. monday morning quarterbacking a situation like you've done here is never going to help. the statistics show that right now, this is happening to your child or one of your child's friends and all I can ask is what you've done about it this week? what are you going to do next week? blaming the parents of a child that kills herself is a pretty ignorant stance to take.. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:37:33 PM EST
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I'm old enough to remember when there was bullying but people were more concerned about academic results, drugs, gangs, teen pregnancy, and keeping people pissing in the bathrooms that matched their plumbing were more important. Now that those are all solved the attention has moved to the bullies.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:38:10 PM EST
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. And encourages victimhood. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:41:09 PM EST
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the statistics show that right now, this is happening to your child or one of your child's friends and all I can ask is what you've done about it this week? what are you going to do next week? blaming the parents of a child that kills herself is a pretty ignorant stance to take.. It has absolutely happened to my kids. One case was happening over social media, and I wouldn't have known about it had I not been monitoring. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:42:02 PM EST
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If there was no physical abuse, no fucks given. I don't believe in "cyber bullying" and related bullshit.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:42:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in the day, you punched the bully in the face and that was the end of it. Today, the bully is protected from retaliation by the school, yet never punished. Had an hour long conversation with a local freshmen/sophomore high school science teacher this last weekend about this very subject. The concept of arming teachers was brought up by me and he said no way. He then told an hours worth of stories on how the students run the nut farm and he'd be afraid that students would disarm teachers or that teachers would shoot their students rather than the terrorist. Seems that the way to deep life-long money is to get labeled with a mental disability. Once labeled it's just short of impossible to be removed from school under any circumstances including acts of violence. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:44:12 PM EST
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If there was no physical abuse, no fucks given. I don't believe in "cyber bullying" and related bullshit. This guy knows what he's talking about. And all you assholes out there with depression -- or worse, that bullshit "PTSD" -- just need to man up and shake it off. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:46:42 PM EST
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This guy knows what he's talking about. And all you assholes out there with depression -- or worse, that bullshit "PTSD" -- just need to man up and shake it off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there was no physical abuse, no fucks given. I don't believe in "cyber bullying" and related bullshit. This guy knows what he's talking about. And all you assholes out there with depression -- or worse, that bullshit "PTSD" -- just need to man up and shake it off. It's a free country, believe what you want to believe.... Oh wait, it WAS a free country....now less so, 'cause FEELZ........ Done with FEELZ.... |
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