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Posted: 7/30/2019 9:55:15 AM EDT
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Saw one in camo on the way in today. Rolling sex.
If the performance is up to the look, this is a new era in American performance vehicles. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 9:57:29 AM EDT
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Whoa! Don’t get your panties in a wad. I only said the Tremec will be light years ahead of the PDK. Newer design, look at all the patents GM has. Regards |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:41:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:43:22 PM EDT
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I hope the C8 is as good as it looks. We're in an era where because of tight government regulations it's bloody hard and expensive to bring to market new car designs. I want this to pay off for GM. I really do.
Personally, I never liked the new Camaro, if the C8 is as successful as it looks like it's going to be, I suspect well see a new redesigned Camaro sometime over the next 5-10 years. At $60k-$70k the Corvette is still outside the (responsible) financial reach of 90-95% of American households. They need a product that can reach a larger and younger demographic. Resurrecting the Camaro badge for that market would be good move in my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:46:50 PM EDT
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I really like the front end. I really DON'T like the rear end. I need to see it in person, because in some videos it looks great, in others looks not so great. Too bad GM doesn't do business here anymore.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 12:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCorvettes are expensive. There just aren't many people under the age of 35 that can (...or should) afford them. Which is true of many high performance cars. The typical 911 buyer is 45-65 years old. With the average age of a 911 buyer being 52. The average age of a Ferrari buyer is 47, and it's only as low as it is because it happens to be the brand most preferred by successful entrepreneurs, celebrities, rappers and trust fund babies (children of the wealthy). ...but you never hear anyone labeling the 911 or Ferraris as an old man's car. The simple truth is these are expensive cars that not many 20 and 30 year old guys can afford to buy new. Young guys are paying off student loans, starting families, paying off debt, and starting out in their careers. That's why most buyers are older. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:04:40 PM EDT
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 WE GOT ONE: Up Close with The Mid-Engine C8 Corvette | Bumper 2 Bumper |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:25:07 PM EDT
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Saw one in camo on the way in today. Rolling sex. If the performance is up to the look, this is a new era in American performance vehicles. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Corvettes are expensive. There just aren't many people under the age of 35 that can (...or should) afford them. Which is true of many high performance cars. The typical 911 buyer is 45-65 years old. With the average age of a 911 buyer being 52. The average age of a Ferrari buyer is 47, and it's only as low as it is because it happens to be the brand most preferred by successful entrepreneurs, celebrities, rappers and trust fund babies (children of the wealthy). ...but you never hear anyone labeling the 911 or Ferraris as an old man's car. The simple truth is these are expensive cars that not many 20 and 30 year old guys can afford to buy new. Young guys are paying off student loans, starting families, paying off debt, and starting out in their careers. That's why most buyers are older. I hate the cliché of Vettes being "old man, mid-life crisis cars". But it is what it is. People think Corvettes/Porsches/etc don't be like they do, but they do... |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth!!! I hate the cliché of Vettes being "old man, mid-life crisis cars". But it is what it is. People think Corvettes/Porsches/etc don't be like they do, but they do... Which is one of the reasons why I still have a 2007 Suburban and traded in my 2008 Corvette |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets hope its as easy to get another 250+ hp out of the c8 as it is with the c7 with some bolt on FI and a tune. I heard the dct is rated for up to 800 hp. Like you say, knowing the fuel system limits and other parts of the puzzle will be important to see what will be possible. I saw an article where someone said it will be harder to tune it versus the c7. Would love to have a 700+ hp c8 all in for under 70k! |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:45:23 PM EDT
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Corvettes are expensive. There just aren't many people under the age of 35 that can (...or should) afford them. Which is true of many high performance cars. The typical 911 buyer is 45-65 years old. With the average age of a 911 buyer being 52. The average age of a Ferrari buyer is 47, and it's only as low as it is because it happens to be the brand most preferred by successful entrepreneurs, celebrities, rappers and trust fund babies (children of the wealthy). ...but you never hear anyone labeling the 911 or Ferraris as an old man's car. The simple truth is these are expensive cars that not many 20 and 30 year old guys can afford to buy new. Young guys are paying off student loans, starting families, paying off debt, and starting out in their careers. That's why most buyers are older. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Corvettes are expensive. There just aren't many people under the age of 35 that can (...or should) afford them. Which is true of many high performance cars. The typical 911 buyer is 45-65 years old. With the average age of a 911 buyer being 52. The average age of a Ferrari buyer is 47, and it's only as low as it is because it happens to be the brand most preferred by successful entrepreneurs, celebrities, rappers and trust fund babies (children of the wealthy). ...but you never hear anyone labeling the 911 or Ferraris as an old man's car. The simple truth is these are expensive cars that not many 20 and 30 year old guys can afford to buy new. Young guys are paying off student loans, starting families, paying off debt, and starting out in their careers. That's why most buyers are older. It’s all just fishing with different and appropriate lures. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:51:45 PM EDT
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Drive by wire. Technology has made it possible. Without launch control/traction control it would be very difficult to drive and very expensive to insure. There would be a lot more mishaps. Not so long ago this was an amazing feat for a motorcycle. Now cars have gotten into the game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still trying to get my mind around 1g of acceleration in a production car. Technology has made it possible. Without launch control/traction control it would be very difficult to drive and very expensive to insure. There would be a lot more mishaps. Not so long ago this was an amazing feat for a motorcycle. Now cars have gotten into the game. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 1:54:33 PM EDT
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The company i am working for is making the folding roof for the corvette.
I seen a picture of it. I came a little bit. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:12:54 PM EDT
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I hope the C8 is as good as it looks. We're in an era where because of tight government regulations it's bloody hard and expensive to bring to market new car designs. I want this to pay off for GM. I really do. Personally, I never liked the new Camaro, if the C8 is as successful as it looks like it's going to be, I suspect well see a new redesigned Camaro sometime over the next 5-10 years. At $60k-$70k the Corvette is still outside the (responsible) financial reach of 90-95% of American households. They need a product that can reach a larger and younger demographic. Resurrecting the Camaro badge for that market would be good move in my opinion. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:13:56 PM EDT
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The company i am working for is making the folding roof for the corvette. I seen a picture of it. I came a little bit. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2017 Corvette was ~ $20k cheaper than an equivalently optioned Suburban Which is one of the reasons why I still have a 2007 Suburban and traded in my 2008 Corvette  Cars, Trucks, and Debt | Why it Never Ends The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:16:54 PM EDT
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CTS-V (modded) was doing 0.99g 10 years ago
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:38:06 PM EDT
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What is dual fueling? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: But is it DI only or duel fueling? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:38:42 PM EDT
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I'm a car guy at the top end of the millennial age range. I'm a crappy car guy because I don't buy all the new cars I drool over. My only fun car is one I've owned since 2006.
I was late to buy my first house and it was a budget buy. I'd like to put up or shut up and finally buy one, but I'll have to come to terms with the fact that the payment will be higher than my mortgage payment. Just going to have to embrace the YOLO mindset for once. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:42:32 PM EDT
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As it sits there is no reason for it to be dual system. The C7 ZR1 LT5 uses both direct injection and port injection in order to support the 755 HP. With the LT2 only 30 HP more than the LT1 there is no reason for the additional complexity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/30/2019 3:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is if you want to add forced induction...not to mention most D.I. only engines are having problems keeping the valves clean now that they're not being bathed in fuel coming through the intake port. And whether the LT1 has had dirty valve issues seems to be a never ending argument |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 7:26:32 PM EDT
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The company i am working for is making the folding roof for the corvette. I seen a picture of it. I came a little bit. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 7:29:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2019 7:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many reason's the Millennials haven't been as big on buying new cars as past generations. Cars have gotten expensive, new car prices have increased more than household incomes. Even some car guys are acknowledging this now.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raaM2zcpAoM
The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. I bought this current truck used, and attempted to be as fiscally prudent as I could be, while still getting what I wanted. For that same money, I could have have bought a C5 or C6, and I really had to pause and think about it. As unfortunate as the interior is, a C5 Z06 looks great from the outside, and still performs like a great sports car. Used Vettes car offer a combination of performance, reliability and value that is unmatched. But buying a new one requires a substantial outlay of money, so new ones will go to older, more financially established buyers. I would really love to own a sports car by or before the time I turn 40. I’ve kept myself amused and motivated by keeping track of OG NSXs, R8s, and 911s; but I always respected what the Corvette could offer. I would absolutely prefer this Vette to its competitors. The combination of the price, configuration, and claimed performance is nothing short of shocking. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 7:52:13 PM EDT
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And this is really what’s up. I’m towards the end of the Millenial generation, and I bought a truck earlier this year to be my daily driver and replace my older Tundra that was on its last legs. I bought this current truck used, and attempted to be as fiscally prudent as I could be, while still getting what I wanted. For that same money, I could have have bought a C5 or C6, and I really had to pause and think about it. As unfortunate as the interior is, a C5 Z06 looks great from the outside, and still performs like a great sports car. Used Vettes car offer a combination of performance, reliability and value that is unmatched. But buying a new one requires a substantial outlay of money, so new ones will go to older, more financially established buyers. I would really love to own a sports car by or before the time I turn 40. I’ve kept myself amused and motivated by keeping track of OG NSXs, R8s, and 911s; but I always respected what the Cirvette could offer. I would absolutely prefer this Vette tonite competitors. The combination of the price, configuration, and claimed performance is nothing short of shocking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There are many reason's the Millennials haven't been as big on buying new cars as past generations. Cars have gotten expensive, new car prices have increased more than household incomes. Even some car guys are acknowledging this now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raaM2zcpAoM
The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. I bought this current truck used, and attempted to be as fiscally prudent as I could be, while still getting what I wanted. For that same money, I could have have bought a C5 or C6, and I really had to pause and think about it. As unfortunate as the interior is, a C5 Z06 looks great from the outside, and still performs like a great sports car. Used Vettes car offer a combination of performance, reliability and value that is unmatched. But buying a new one requires a substantial outlay of money, so new ones will go to older, more financially established buyers. I would really love to own a sports car by or before the time I turn 40. I’ve kept myself amused and motivated by keeping track of OG NSXs, R8s, and 911s; but I always respected what the Cirvette could offer. I would absolutely prefer this Vette tonite competitors. The combination of the price, configuration, and claimed performance is nothing short of shocking. I don't exactly drive a boring car but it's not a sportscar. I am hoping that one or two things happen in the next few years I can get c7 or a genIII 1/2 viper for under 30,000
Gen Iv as in 2006+ I don't mind the GenIII with the shitty engine, as I can replace that, but I don't like it being a convertable on that body style. It just looks terbl |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 11:16:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this is really what’s up. I’m towards the end of the Millenial generation, and I bought a truck earlier this year to be my daily driver and replace my older Tundra that was on its last legs. I bought this current truck used, and attempted to be as fiscally prudent as I could be, while still getting what I wanted. For that same money, I could have have bought a C5 or C6, and I really had to pause and think about it. As unfortunate as the interior is, a C5 Z06 looks great from the outside, and still performs like a great sports car. Used Vettes car offer a combination of performance, reliability and value that is unmatched. But buying a new one requires a substantial outlay of money, so new ones will go to older, more financially established buyers. I would really love to own a sports car by or before the time I turn 40. I’ve kept myself amused and motivated by keeping track of OG NSXs, R8s, and 911s; but I always respected what the Corvette could offer. I would absolutely prefer this Vette to its competitors. The combination of the price, configuration, and claimed performance is nothing short of shocking.  The C8 touches on a few key points for me -- a modern platform, mid-engine, and obviously the price to performance ratio. I suspect I may trade it in over the next few years for a Z06 or higher model, I figured it was time to shift focus from pure sport to a more grand sport style. I certainly do not feel like I fit the average corvette demographic at all... I actually feel a bit weird at the corvette events.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 11:22:21 PM EDT
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Jorts. Hawaiian shirt. White new balance shoes. Balding beer gut dad bod... Target market acquired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Jorts. Hawaiian shirt. White new balance shoes. Balding beer gut dad bod... Target market acquired.
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Posted: 7/30/2019 11:27:29 PM EDT
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I work near roush and in Detroit (home of the automobile). I see them regularly. They are sexy AF
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Posted: 7/30/2019 11:29:07 PM EDT
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Notice the butt hurt in this thread over that pic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jorts. Hawaiian shirt. White new balance shoes. Balding beer gut dad bod... Target market acquired.
I just need it to be a few years old with a few miles on it. I'm waaaay too cheap to buy new and am too frugal to by a vehicle that's not business related... Maybe one day. 
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Posted: 7/30/2019 11:36:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:36:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In which case you would upgrade the fuel system if you want big boost. Why would GM spend the money to do that with a stock motor most drivers will leave unmolested. And whether the LT1 has had dirty valve issues seems to be a never ending argument |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2014 - 2017 are DI only so it's highly likely. 2018 & up have dual injection so it won't be a problem with them. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:45:53 AM EDT
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Plenty of reviews on Youtube, looks good
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you document that? From what I've seen all factory LT1s are DI only. Dual injection on the LT5. A Chevrolet first, the new Dual Fuel Injection system uses a port fuel rail and injectors, in addition to the Direct Injection system, to provide supplemental fueling during extreme throttling. From this page: https://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-life/engines The change over was 2018. I'd have to do more goggling to "prove" it. But that's when it happened. Same with Ford Ecoboost 2018 got dual injection. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:50:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DUAL FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM A Chevrolet first, the new Dual Fuel Injection system uses a port fuel rail and injectors, in addition to the Direct Injection system, to provide supplemental fueling during extreme throttling. From this page: https://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-life/engines The change over was 2018. I'd have to do more goggling to "prove" it. But that's when it happened. Same with Ford Ecoboost 2018 got dual injection. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:54:37 AM EDT
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It's been my plan to pick up a C7 in about 3 years, but I'm moving that over to a C8. That 0-60 time is just astonishing if it's even remotely close. I want to track the car regularly. While I don't care much about its market value, I don't want to destroy the paint. What reasonable options are there to protect the paint at the track? I've heard the vinyl covers don't help much and are most the cost of repainting the car anyway.
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:54:49 AM EDT
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I am the old (64) not so fat guy that wants a C8. To me the supposedly list price for the base model of $59,999, is amazing! I may not get it but why would I buy an exotic with all of the issues that go with that when a domestic car is as good or better? Many years ago I had a Audi, the fuel pump relay went out on a Saturday. Guess what, the local parts store laughed at me when I asked for that part. Dead in the water for 48 hours.
Now a guy in my office has the large Audi sedan, he bought wiper blades at the Audi dealership, $95. Or he could have waited 2 weeks for the parts from Pep Boys. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:57:04 AM EDT
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I'm 36. Have a few greys in my facial hair. But the rest doesn't fit me. I lift. And my wife keeps me fairly trendy. I still want a C8.
I just need it to be a few years old with a few miles on it. I'm waaaay too cheap to buy new and am too frugal to by a vehicle that's not business related... Maybe one day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jorts. Hawaiian shirt. White new balance shoes. Balding beer gut dad bod... Target market acquired.
I just need it to be a few years old with a few miles on it. I'm waaaay too cheap to buy new and am too frugal to by a vehicle that's not business related... Maybe one day. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 9:59:40 AM EDT
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It's been my plan to pick up a C7 in about 3 years, but I'm moving that over to a C8. That 0-60 time is just astonishing if it's even remotely close. I want to track the car regularly. While I don't care much about its market value, I don't want to destroy the paint. What reasonable options are there to protect the paint at the track? I've heard the vinyl covers don't help much and are most the cost of repainting the car anyway. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 10:29:35 AM EDT
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How much will C7 used values tank now that the C8 is out? I still think its an awesome car to look at.
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Posted: 7/31/2019 10:31:36 AM EDT
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I doubt that much. It’s such a change that there will be a higher then normal demand for the classic style. Especially for those that want a manual. I bet the higher end C7 trims with a stick hold well, base autos not so much.
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Posted: 7/31/2019 10:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many reason's the Millennials haven't been as big on buying new cars as past generations. Cars have gotten expensive, new car prices have increased more than household incomes. Even some car guys are acknowledging this now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raaM2zcpAoM
The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. Get as low a rate for as long as you can. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 1:50:43 PM EDT
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Your advice is dumb. Get as low a rate for as long as you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There are many reason's the Millennials haven't been as big on buying new cars as past generations. Cars have gotten expensive, new car prices have increased more than household incomes. Even some car guys are acknowledging this now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raaM2zcpAoM
The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. Get as low a rate for as long as you can. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Xpel clear bra, it will help a lot. But if you track it, rocks get throne and sooner or later one bigger then the film can handle will be hit. I don't mind covering the front and mirrors in some ugly black leather cover if it's just for the track. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many reason's the Millennials haven't been as big on buying new cars as past generations. Cars have gotten expensive, new car prices have increased more than household incomes. Even some car guys are acknowledging this now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raaM2zcpAoM
The average person has to finance their car purchase. The responsible way to do this is to apply the 20/4/10 rule. Which means a min of 20% down, a maximum 4 year loan term and a maximum of 10% of your gross monthly income spent on total car expense. This includes loan payment, gas, maintenance (service, oil changes, car washes) and the cost to insurance the car. Using this rule 20/40/10 rule: A person would need a $162,000 annual income to afford to buy and own a new Corvette. If you need anything longer than a 4 year loan, you probably shouldn't buy the car or truck. $65k on a 84 month @ 4.49% interest note is $903 a month. There's plenty of people that will sign up for that. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anything more protective but more temporary? Perhaps something much thicker that you only put on before you head to the track? I don't mind covering the front and mirrors in some ugly black leather cover if it's just for the track. If you want ultra cheap protection and don't care about looks just get a few rolls of painters tape and have at it. Maybe get the light blue paint job so that it matches. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:40:31 PM EDT
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Is there anything more protective but more temporary? Perhaps something much thicker that you only put on before you head to the track? I don't mind covering the front and mirrors in some ugly black leather cover if it's just for the track. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Xpel clear bra, it will help a lot. But if you track it, rocks get throne and sooner or later one bigger then the film can handle will be hit. I don't mind covering the front and mirrors in some ugly black leather cover if it's just for the track. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anything more protective but more temporary? Perhaps something much thicker that you only put on before you head to the track? I don't mind covering the front and mirrors in some ugly black leather cover if it's just for the track. |
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Posted: 7/31/2019 3:43:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can't afford to pay off a depreciating asset, like a car, in 4 years, then you can't afford THAT car. It's really that simple. It's not about affording the payment, it's about affording the car. Following your logic is how many car buyers end up upside down on car loans. |
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