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Posted: 8/20/2019 2:20:05 PM EDT
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C8 dealer tour list by state Looks like GM is continuing the chopped look. Not so good for 6+ footers https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/968x750/img_1777_f9fb8279f174594db96bc13e8be3a907ab6fadc9.jpg (Not me, some random guy from above link) No idea on headroom specs, but 15-20 odd yrs ago had truck in for svc, sat in vette in showroom and negative headroom (I'm 6'3"). Sales guy said "oh just lean the seat back". Neat. I want to look at the ceiling when I drive. No idea if C8 is better or worse, but seeing the GM Camaro styling mindset, not optimistic. ETA: that pic screams, no, howls "midlife crisis". |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 2:26:01 PM EDT
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C8 dealer tour list by state Looks like GM is continuing the chopped look. Not so good for 6+ footers https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/968x750/img_1777_f9fb8279f174594db96bc13e8be3a907ab6fadc9.jpg (Not me, some random guy from above link) No idea on headroom specs, but 15-20 odd yrs ago had truck in for svc, sat in vette in showroom and negative headroom (I'm 6'3"). Sales guy said "oh just lean the seat back". Neat. I want to look at the ceiling when I drive. No idea if C8 is better or worse, but seeing the GM Camaro styling mindset, not optimistic. ETA: that pic screams, no, howls "midlife crisis". Asking for a 64yo Machine gun owning grandpa... |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 2:28:06 PM EDT
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I like it the more I see it.
Go to 1:25  This 2020 C8 CORVETTE is EPIC *EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE* |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 4:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOwning one of those is as close to owning an Italian sports car as I'd ever want to get. ...or probably could get.  Seriously, owning an American sports car that looks that good is all I'd want. It checks all the boxes for me. It's very cool looking, it's mid-engine, the interior is wrapped in leather, there are real carbon fiber components, the interior isn't covered in plastic, it has a big engine, good transmission, and plenty of hp and torque. AND it's serviceable, no reason to keep it a low mileage garage queen, you can drive it everyday without multi-thousand dollar service intervals, and the cost to insure it won't be insane because of its price. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 7:03:31 PM EDT
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Owning one of those is as close to owning an Italian sports car as I'd ever want to get. ...or probably could get. Seriously, owning an American sports car that looks that good is all I'd want. It checks all the boxes for me. It's very cool looking, it's mid-engine, the interior is wrapped in leather, there are real carbon fiber components, the interior isn't covered in plastic, it has a big engine, good transmission, and plenty of hp and torque. AND it's serviceable, no reason to keep it a low mileage garage queen, you can drive it everyday without multi-thousand dollar service intervals, and the cost to insure it won't be insane because of its price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Seriously, owning an American sports car that looks that good is all I'd want. It checks all the boxes for me. It's very cool looking, it's mid-engine, the interior is wrapped in leather, there are real carbon fiber components, the interior isn't covered in plastic, it has a big engine, good transmission, and plenty of hp and torque. AND it's serviceable, no reason to keep it a low mileage garage queen, you can drive it everyday without multi-thousand dollar service intervals, and the cost to insure it won't be insane because of its price. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 7:27:15 PM EDT
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C8 dealer tour list by state Looks like GM is continuing the chopped look. Not so good for 6+ footers https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/968x750/img_1777_f9fb8279f174594db96bc13e8be3a907ab6fadc9.jpg (Not me, some random guy from above link) No idea on headroom specs, but 15-20 odd yrs ago had truck in for svc, sat in vette in showroom and negative headroom (I'm 6'3"). Sales guy said "oh just lean the seat back". Neat. I want to look at the ceiling when I drive. No idea if C8 is better or worse, but seeing the GM Camaro styling mindset, not optimistic. ETA: that pic screams, no, howls "midlife crisis". My seat is not tilted back and I have about 1.5" of headspace, With that... my car has a sunroof. In the non sunroof model I have nearly 3" of headspace. If you haven't sat in one. Go try it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:09:48 PM EDT
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Insurance may get costly when people start wrecking them because they don’t know how to drive a mid engine car. I mean this is a sexy car. 
But with a base price that is $220,000 more then the C8, with $10,416 per year spent on insuring the thing, and then throw in the expensive maintenance intervals, is it really that much better? |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 11:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps, but not as expensive as it would be on a car that cost 4 or 5 times more. I read that the average insurance cost on a 488 Ferrari Spider is $868 per month, or $10,416 per year. I guess you could cut it to just liability, and self insure, but then you're taking a $280k gamble every time you drive it. I mean this is a sexy car. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iqxIu1cyRfk/maxresdefault.jpg But with a base price that is $220,000 more then the C8, with $10,416 per year spent on insuring the thing, and then throw in the expensive maintenance intervals, is it really that much better? |
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Posted: 8/21/2019 12:10:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, and the 488 is my grail car that I'd have to win the jackpot to afford. Now that the C8 is here, I'd forget about foreign exotics altogether and start buying vettes as they became available. With the exception maybe, of conveying the status of the dancing pony. Which at my age, isn't as important as it might have been when I was a young man. I dunno. |
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Posted: 8/21/2019 3:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps, but not as expensive as it would be on a car that cost 4 or 5 times more. I read that the average insurance cost on a 488 Ferrari Spider is $868 per month, or $10,416 per year. I guess you could cut it to just liability, and self insure, but then you're taking a $280k gamble every time you drive it. I mean this is a sexy car. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iqxIu1cyRfk/maxresdefault.jpg But with a base price that is $220,000 more then the C8, with $10,416 per year spent on insuring the thing, and then throw in the expensive maintenance intervals, is it really that much better? 
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Posted: 8/21/2019 3:15:43 PM EDT
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Can't wait to see track times with pro drivers.
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Posted: 8/21/2019 3:31:21 PM EDT
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Insurance may get costly when people start wrecking them because they don’t know how to drive a mid engine car. |
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Posted: 8/21/2019 3:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2018 cayman gts (mid engine) costs $50 less a month to insure than my 2015 mustang GT. I know, mustangs like to hit curbs by innocent bystanders... |
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Posted: 8/21/2019 11:22:41 PM EDT
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It seems like a good idea in theory, but in practice it wouldn't work - if your goal is a complete exchange of oil or even a mostly complete exchange. They have so many drain plugs because of the way the system is plumbed. If you were to hook up a pressure system to force fresh oil in and old out, there would be many, many areas where that detla V doesn't reach (and cannot reach) so no oil would be exchanged. We use that technique on some race cars because it makes it simple and does well enough. But it wouldn't work on that specific car. They have a shit ton of drain plugs for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @NIevo Yes I have. It's a dry sump that has coolers all over the chassis on the Bug. And yes I could do it....I've listed my creds before...but to give you an idea, by the time I was 12, I was machining my own high performance marine engines and rebuilding them and doing port work. I am lucky as I am a scion when it came to stuff like that. Given that, they way they do it is fucking stupid. They are literally unnecessarily removing very very expensive pieces of the car just to access the plugs. What they should be doing is using a system that manually forces new oil through the system while the old oil drains out one plug. Sure, they may go through a few gallons of oil, but you are not risking damaging pieces of CF that are thousands of dollars. It's essentially is like flushing a trans....so after you take your calc of what came out and what you put in. You check the level and run the car. Then you take a sample. Send it off overnight and by the next day you will get your TBN # telling you how much good oil you have versus old oil. If it checks out, your GTG. You have saved labor and mitigated risks. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk They have so many drain plugs because of the way the system is plumbed. If you were to hook up a pressure system to force fresh oil in and old out, there would be many, many areas where that detla V doesn't reach (and cannot reach) so no oil would be exchanged. We use that technique on some race cars because it makes it simple and does well enough. But it wouldn't work on that specific car. They have a shit ton of drain plugs for a reason. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 12:11:14 AM EDT
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Looks almost exactly like the C8... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Perhaps, but not as expensive as it would be on a car that cost 4 or 5 times more. I read that the average insurance cost on a 488 Ferrari Spider is $868 per month, or $10,416 per year. I guess you could cut it to just liability, and self insure, but then you're taking a $280k gamble every time you drive it. I mean this is a sexy car. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iqxIu1cyRfk/maxresdefault.jpg But with a base price that is $220,000 more then the C8, with $10,416 per year spent on insuring the thing, and then throw in the expensive maintenance intervals, is it really that much better? |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 10:48:45 AM EDT
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My 2018 cayman gts (mid engine) costs $50 less a month to insure than my 2015 mustang GT. I know, mustangs like to hit curbs by innocent bystanders... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Insurance may get costly when people start wrecking them because they don’t know how to drive a mid engine car. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 11:39:19 AM EDT
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This may have been mentioned ( I haven't read every page)
I read yesterday that the Z51 performance package $5000.00, will be a gain of 5 hp and a loss of 10mph that's a lot for so little. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 12:00:44 PM EDT
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This may have been mentioned ( I haven't read every page) I read yesterday that the Z51 performance package $5000.00, will be a gain of 5 hp and a loss of 10mph that's a lot for so little. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 12:26:45 PM EDT
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This may have been mentioned ( I haven't read every page) I read yesterday that the Z51 performance package $5000.00, will be a gain of 5 hp and a loss of 10mph that's a lot for so little. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Can't wait for all the lambo and ferrari kit cars based on the c8. Like the fiero used to have.
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Posted: 8/22/2019 4:00:42 PM EDT
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Corvettes will drive to Bowling Green, Kentucky for the 25th anniversary of the National Corvette Museum.
 Corvettes Gather In Pasadena To Start Cross-Country Caravan  2019 Corvette Caravan and National Corvette Museum 25th Anniversary Celebration |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 6:19:23 PM EDT
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Corvettes will drive to Bowling Green, Kentucky for the 25th anniversary of the National Corvette Museum.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89xuluy1h9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnVJHgVxel4
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Posted: 8/22/2019 8:45:26 PM EDT
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In an earlier page, someone linked an active spoiler. Does anyone have more info about how well those things perform? Are they worth the price if you're tracking the car regularly?
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:35:10 PM EDT
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Can't wait for all the lambo and ferrari kit cars based on the c8. Like the fiero used to have.  What you are looking at wasn't a kit car. It was produced by Pontiac and sold as an option. I think it's MSRP at the time was $17k, but I might not be remembering that right. It was such a good copy of the Ferrari 308 that Ferrari won a lawsuit against Pontiac. They're very rare since only around 100 were ever produced. The outside screamed Ferrari the interior, and drivetrain screamed 80's Pontiac.
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting bit of car history, Pontiac actually offered the Fiero Mera. http://pontiacmera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RodneyDickman8110-400x160.jpg What you are looking at wasn't a kit car. It was produced by Pontiac and sold as an option. I think it's MSRP at the time was $17k, but I might not be remembering that right. It was such a good copy of the Ferrari 308 that Ferrari won a lawsuit against Pontiac. They're very rare since only around 100 were ever produced. The outside screamed Ferrari the interior, and drivetrain screamed 80's Pontiac.
http://pontiacmera.com/sales-brochures/ 
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:51:07 PM EDT
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In an earlier page, someone linked an active spoiler. Does anyone have more info about how well those things perform? Are they worth the price if you're tracking the car regularly? Is an aftermarket Active Aero wing worth $5k+ ??? Depends on how competitive you are. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting bit of car history, Pontiac actually offered the Fiero Mera. http://pontiacmera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RodneyDickman8110-400x160.jpg What you are looking at wasn't a kit car. It was produced by Pontiac and sold as an option. I think it's MSRP at the time was $17k, but I might not be remembering that right. It was such a good copy of the Ferrari 308 that Ferrari won a lawsuit against Pontiac. They're very rare since only around 100 were ever produced. The outside screamed Ferrari the interior, and drivetrain screamed 80's Pontiac.
http://pontiacmera.com/sales-brochures/ Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:58:21 PM EDT
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When are you coming? I'll be on track september 14th testing some aero changes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm supposed to be on Road Atlanta in September and looking at the sign up sheet there is supposed to be someone there with a 2020 Corvette. Now that is planning ahead! |
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Posted: 8/22/2019 9:58:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2019 8:16:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting bit of car history, Pontiac actually offered the Fiero Mera. http://pontiacmera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RodneyDickman8110-400x160.jpg What you are looking at wasn't a kit car. It was produced by Pontiac and sold as an option. I think it's MSRP at the time was $17k, but I might not be remembering that right. It was such a good copy of the Ferrari 308 that Ferrari won a lawsuit against Pontiac. They're very rare since only around 100 were ever produced. The outside screamed Ferrari the interior, and drivetrain screamed 80's Pontiac.
http://pontiacmera.com/sales-brochures/ |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 8:22:10 AM EDT
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This may have been mentioned ( I haven't read every page) I read yesterday that the Z51 performance package $5000.00, will be a gain of 5 hp and a loss of 10mph that's a lot for so little. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 8:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting bit of car history, Pontiac actually offered the Fiero Mera. http://pontiacmera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RodneyDickman8110-400x160.jpg What you are looking at wasn't a kit car. It was produced by Pontiac and sold as an option. I think it's MSRP at the time was $17k, but I might not be remembering that right. It was such a good copy of the Ferrari 308 that Ferrari won a lawsuit against Pontiac. They're very rare since only around 100 were ever produced. The outside screamed Ferrari the interior, and drivetrain screamed 80's Pontiac.
http://pontiacmera.com/sales-brochures/ |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:08:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Big brakes and active aero are the two biggest things you can do to improve a car in the turns. It allows you to dive into the turns at a much higher speed and continue the momentum through the turn and come out much faster with the increased downforce while keeping the engine up in the RPMs without having to shift 2-3 gears. Is an aftermarket Active Aero wing worth $5k+ ??? Depends on how competitive you are. This part in this video really opened my eyes to the whole concept: [youtube]bLEF0yyG1Sk?t=231[/youtube] ETA: Embedded videos apparently don't skip times. Go to 3:50. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:30:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anything even come close in regards to performance:dollar ratio? It just seems like it does so much, thus being almost too good to be true. I've heard the aero itself can also help with braking distance by a lot. This part in this video really opened my eyes to the whole concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLEF0yyG1Sk?t=231
ETA: Embedded videos apparently don't skip times. Go to 3:50. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 9:49:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sacrifice top end speed with aero. A big wing on a drag strip tends to be a detriment. But on a road track it makes sense. With an active wing, when brakes are applied it becomes more aggressive. Under acceleration it folds flat to reduce drag. Front splitters are also really good as they reduce the barometric air pressure under the car, creating sort of a "vacuum". Literally sucking the car to the ground. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 10:00:28 AM EDT
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According to Tadge Juechter (Corvette Chief Engineer) the Stage 3 aero on the C7 (big spoiler and splitter winglets, not the Giant ZR1 wing, which adds more) adds over 300 lbs of downforce. IIRC, it also reduces top speed by about 15 MPH, and highway gas mileage (if the owner cares about such things) by about 3 MPG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You sacrifice top end speed with aero. A big wing on a drag strip tends to be a detriment. But on a road track it makes sense. With an active wing, when brakes are applied it becomes more aggressive. Under acceleration it folds flat to reduce drag. Front splitters are also really good as they reduce the barometric air pressure under the car, creating sort of a "vacuum". Literally sucking the car to the ground. Active aero is a huge advancement. New GM trucks have active aero front grills to decrease air going into the engine compartment on the highway to improve gas mileage. |
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Posted: 8/23/2019 4:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to figure out how it was produced by Pontiac... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 8:19:25 AM EDT
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Pontiac sent new cars, or car frames, I can't remember, to one particular shop where they made and attached the panels. It was all done by hand. Then the cars where sold through Pontiac dealerships. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/26/2019 8:23:16 AM EDT
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Can't wait for all the lambo and ferrari kit cars based on the c8. Like the fiero used to have.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 8:24:58 AM EDT
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... going to look at one at Van Chevrolet, Scottsdale AZ tomorrow
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:45:48 PM EDT
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This could be interesting news: https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:51:54 PM EDT
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Just like the Firehawk and the WS6 when it first came out. Regular old Trans Am's were shipped off to SLP and they did the conversions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Trying to figure out how it was produced by Pontiac... Pontiac’s only involvement with the Fauxarri was following dealer requests to ship the Fieros they ordered to a specific location. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:57:09 PM EDT
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This could be interesting news: https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8 Corvette engine engineer doing a little intercompany corporate espionage. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 8:37:42 PM EDT
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Interesting indeed.... Corvette engine engineer doing a little intercompany corporate espionage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This could be interesting news: https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8 Corvette engine engineer doing a little intercompany corporate espionage. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:30:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:32:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:35:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:39:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 9:54:46 PM EDT
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Interesting indeed.... Corvette engine engineer doing a little intercompany corporate espionage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This could be interesting news: https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-corvette-z06-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8 Corvette engine engineer doing a little intercompany corporate espionage. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 10:04:00 PM EDT
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My. Goodness.  Night Testing The New 2020 C8 R Mid Engine Corvette At Sebring |
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