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What is the number of registered 2000 AWB era guns in California? Is it over the 250k mark?
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If this stay sticks around for awhile wouldn't it be impossible to prove that your pre 4/19 dated mags were purchased from 3/29/19 - 4/5/2019? Some were gifts so no receipts. The law didn't state anywhere that a purchaser was required to keep a receipt of proof of purchase. A Kali resident could have purchased used mags with any pre 4/19 date code it seems. So all those that were "discovered" pre 4/19 would theoretically be legal. Just a thought. View Quote |
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Quoted: Agreed. I love his writings on 2a stuff. He attempts to address and counter every opposing argument. They're well-reasoned. Trouble is, opposing Judges don't always agree on these things. And this will be a de novo review, so they'll review everything themselves and make up their own minds. Man, I'd love him on SCOTUS though |
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Read this very carefully:
IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 View Quote IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 View Quote IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 View Quote In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. |
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My only worry is that would be shot down using bumpstocks as a standard. Couple hundred thousand doesn't rise to the level of common use. Shit, even in CA I know well over a dozen people who own ARs, AKs and other semi auto rifles. These are just friends, family, coworkers, industry cohorts, coworkers, people I have met on jobsites, random people I have gotten to talking to etc, not fellow forum members, people I met at the range or gun related activities. And I don't know that many people. But they are still considered "not in common use" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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At what number do you guys think would be considered “common use”? I wonder if the legal team would work with the big distributors during this window to get an estimate of mags sold and then push more for common use? What is the next step? Appeal to 9th Circuit? Then if they shut it do it goes to US Surpreme Court? Just trying to wrap my brain around the entire process. Couple hundred thousand doesn't rise to the level of common use. Shit, even in CA I know well over a dozen people who own ARs, AKs and other semi auto rifles. These are just friends, family, coworkers, industry cohorts, coworkers, people I have met on jobsites, random people I have gotten to talking to etc, not fellow forum members, people I met at the range or gun related activities. And I don't know that many people. But they are still considered "not in common use" |
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Undated but more important pre 4/19 dated mags That leaves many, many, many mags haha! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: There is no prohibition on the possession of standard capacity mags. once the mag is in the state, nobody cares when it was acquired. You guys from out of state are imagining restrictions that do not actually exist. View Quote But that's not the end of it, is it? Doesn't the law being challenged ban them entirely? (Destroy, turn in, sell out of state) SB-1446 If the court upholds the law, these mags and the old mags will all be part of the same banned pool of mags. |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. |
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You are awesome! PM sent.
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Quoted: There is no prohibition on the possession of standard capacity mags. once the mag is in the state, nobody cares when it was acquired. You guys from out of state are imagining restrictions that do not actually exist. View Quote |
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Quoted: Outstanding summary. Thank you. Now, just to be clear, the new law was signed into law in 2016 right? And it's basically SAFE 2.0? Get rid of them by turning them in, destroy them, or sell them out of state? But it never came into effect because it was stayed in response to this lawsuit? View Quote So in that last week leading up to the law going into effect, you would imagine there were thousands of people turning in thousands of mags. But that never happened. I've heard there was one guy in LA and he was the only person in the entire state that turned in a magazine. Everyone else kept their stuff. |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Read this very carefully: IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. |
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If RBG croaks it's going to make the Kavanaugh hearings look like a walk in the park View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That's no lie. Never know what Roberts would do at this point. Trump's window, assuming he's not going to get a second term, is closing during which he can appoint someone without controversy though. We held the dems off on Garland for like 8 months or something during the election year. I'd say that Trump has about a year left before there would be a lot of political flak from him trying to appoint a replacement for her during an election season. |
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Quoted: If that were the case and the end of it, then my thinking on this whole situation might change. But that's not the end of it, is it? Doesn't the law being challenged ban them entirely? (Destroy, turn in, sell out of state) SB-1446 If the court upholds the law, these mags and the old mags will all be part of the same banned pool of mags. View Quote |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. |
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With all this legal fuckery going on, people in CA should just do whatever the hell they want to. Nobody is going to be able to tell one way or the other.
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Someone just sent me a link to PSA's case pricing on pmags, -definitely cheaper by the case!
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With all this legal fuckery going on, people in CA should just do whatever the hell they want to. Nobody is going to be able to tell one way or the other. View Quote |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Read this very carefully: IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court's injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court's injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court's injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019. Dated: April 4, 2019 In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. ...still |
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Quoted: ........Also.. anyone here in CA need a 32 round P226 mag in what could be 9mm or 40mm? As far as I know the 9mm and 40mm are interchangeable for the P226. I don't own a Sig, but was given the mag as a rebuild when buying rebuild kits was still legal in CA... since the ruling, its been assembled and is now protected. Don't know the brand, but it appears to be functional. I can send it out tomorrow morning before work to the first person to PM me. View Quote |
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Quoted: What, I can't say that Brownells and Palmetto State Armory and every other vendor, along with *EVERY CUSTOMER THAT HAS PURCHASED AT LEAST ONE MAG IN THE PAST WEEK* can continue doing business with full protection of the United States Southern District of California Court? View Quote |
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote |
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You were supposed to let them keep freaking out about I ordered mags on this day and they shipped on this day but the USPS semi trailer might not cross into the state until X day, so when will the ATF arrest me, should i turn myself in now posts.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: What, I can't say that Brownells and Palmetto State Armory and every other vendor, along with *EVERY CUSTOMER THAT HAS PURCHASED AT LEAST ONE MAG IN THE PAST WEEK* can continue doing business with full protection of the United States Southern District of California Court? Every man, woman, and child in California that has purchased a magazine in the past week has the legal right to continue to order such magazines under this permanent ruling. If those men, women, or children were to accidentally drop those magazines on the ground and others picked them up, oh well. There is also no legal requirement for tracking receipts for purchases, so anyone that is willing to file a use tax for a magazine purchase, regardless of if they retain any form of receipt, is going to be assumed by the state to be such a person. And anyone that can claim to have been gifted a magazine, as so many have been, is under no legal obligation to establish the provenance of said magazine that they received during this brief period of freedom. It would, quite frankly, be impossible to establish, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that any given Californian was not such a person, unless they were already incarcerated or dead during the past week. |
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No one has a universally accepted standard for what constitutes "common use". The one thing that can be said for certain is that it can only help to keep buying if you live in free states and encourage friends and family to do the same thing. The next step is the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. It will be reviewed de novo (as new). The step after that would probably be an appeal to have the case heard en banc (by the entire 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, rather than a panel of Judges). The last step would be an appeal to SCOTUS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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At what number do you guys think would be considered “common use”? I wonder if the legal team would work with the big distributors during this window to get an estimate of mags sold and then push more for common use? What is the next step? Appeal to 9th Circuit? Then if they shut it do it goes to US Surpreme Court? Just trying to wrap my brain around the entire process. The next step is the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. It will be reviewed de novo (as new). The step after that would probably be an appeal to have the case heard en banc (by the entire 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, rather than a panel of Judges). The last step would be an appeal to SCOTUS. |
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Re: CZ
Please ALSO email CZcustom.com That address goes to Angus Hobdel, CZ's longtime main sponsored competition shooter. Angus is on our side (don't blast him). But he has pull with CZ-USA and might be able to show our emails to corporate and get them to change their policy. Keep up the pressure on CZ. We need them on our side (now and for the many fights to save our freedom yet to come). |
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If he were nominated they would just dredge up some insufferable cunt that he may or may not have passed in a grocery store aisle 30 years ago that says he sexually harassed/assaulted her View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Agreed. I love his writings on 2a stuff. He attempts to address and counter every opposing argument. They're well-reasoned. Trouble is, opposing Judges don't always agree on these things. And this will be a de novo review, so they'll review everything themselves and make up their own minds. Man, I'd love him on SCOTUS though Kharn |
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Anyone know what company has black Scar 17 20rd magazines available? They seemed to be sold out everywhere. I managed to order 6 on 03/30 but only got an order confirmation since then, hasn't shipped yet and no answer when trying to contact them. I am not counting on ever receiving those View Quote |
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Quoted: Seeing as how nothing seems to mandate how magazines need to be destroyed and tracked.... Every man, woman, and child in California that has purchased a magazine in the past week has the legal right to continue to order such magazines under this permanent ruling. If those men, women, or children were to accidentally drop those magazines on the ground and others picked them up, oh well. There is also no legal requirement for tracking receipts for purchases, so anyone that is willing to file a use tax for a magazine purchase, regardless of if they retain any form of receipt, is going to be assumed by the state to be such a person. And anyone that can claim to have been gifted a magazine, as so many have been, is under no legal obligation to establish the provenance of said magazine that they received during this brief period of freedom. It would, quite frankly, be impossible to establish, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that any given Californian was not such a person, unless they were already incarcerated or dead during the past week. View Quote |
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None of this is permanent until the appeals process is done. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Seeing as how nothing seems to mandate how magazines need to be destroyed and tracked.... Every man, woman, and child in California that has purchased a magazine in the past week has the legal right to continue to order such magazines under this permanent ruling. If those men, women, or children were to accidentally drop those magazines on the ground and others picked them up, oh well. There is also no legal requirement for tracking receipts for purchases, so anyone that is willing to file a use tax for a magazine purchase, regardless of if they retain any form of receipt, is going to be assumed by the state to be such a person. And anyone that can claim to have been gifted a magazine, as so many have been, is under no legal obligation to establish the provenance of said magazine that they received during this brief period of freedom. It would, quite frankly, be impossible to establish, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that any given Californian was not such a person, unless they were already incarcerated or dead during the past week. |
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Anyone know what company has black Scar 17 20rd magazines available? They seemed to be sold out everywhere. I managed to order 6 on 03/30 but only got an order confirmation since then, hasn't shipped yet and no answer when trying to contact them. I am not counting on ever receiving those |
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Anyone have a line on a 25 round .308 pmag that's in stock and will ship to CA?
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Read this very carefully: Read it again. One more time The order does NOT apply to the magazines, it applies to the persons or business entities. In other words, if you exercised your right to be immune from 32310 (a) and (b) between 3/29/2019 and 4/5/2019 you remain immune during this stay. The magazines you ordered are not magically special and themselves immune, YOU ARE. It never says you have to stop ordering at 5PM tomorrow, only that you had to have ordered at least one before then to remain a more equal animal. View Quote Again, act on your own risk tolerance. I don't think a court would agree with that application of the Order. |
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How do you confirm magazine purchase date? View Quote |
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BREAKING: CALIFORNIA JUDGE REINSTATES 'HIGH CAPACITY' MAGAZINE BAN AS OF 5PM FRIDAY
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/04/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-california-judge-reinstates-high-capacity-magazine-ban-as-of-5pm-friday/amp/ |
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I emailed calguns admins and offered free mags, and included other opportunities to get mags. I'm not a member there but I've seen jack and shit on my offer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I keep seeing the Calguns claim that DSG isn't shipping. This is incorrect. They took my order on Saturday, charged the card on Monday, and I got a shipping notice on Tuesday. DSG has been in from the start. Eta Numrich too, for hard to find items. |
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Buy, buy, buy! Like your life and your loved ones depended on it!
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None of this is permanent until the appeals process is done. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Seeing as how nothing seems to mandate how magazines need to be destroyed and tracked.... Every man, woman, and child in California that has purchased a magazine in the past week has the legal right to continue to order such magazines under this permanent ruling. If those men, women, or children were to accidentally drop those magazines on the ground and others picked them up, oh well. There is also no legal requirement for tracking receipts for purchases, so anyone that is willing to file a use tax for a magazine purchase, regardless of if they retain any form of receipt, is going to be assumed by the state to be such a person. And anyone that can claim to have been gifted a magazine, as so many have been, is under no legal obligation to establish the provenance of said magazine that they received during this brief period of freedom. It would, quite frankly, be impossible to establish, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that any given Californian was not such a person, unless they were already incarcerated or dead during the past week. Undefined is right...people can and should continue to purchase magazines past the Friday "deadline", as the door was opened so wide that it's impossible to close now. |
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Quoted: You were supposed to let them keep freaking out about I ordered mags on this day and they shipped on this day but the USPS semi trailer might not cross into the state until X day, so when will the ATF arrest me, should i turn myself in now posts.... View Quote |
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What is the number of registered 2000 AWB era guns in California? Is it over the 250k mark? View Quote |
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