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The funniest bit is when posters still think Capt. Miller blew the tank up with his sidearm. It got bombed by an airplane. But a lot of people still don't get it.
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There is an interview with John Milius from around 2001 on the web, he talks about SPR and how dumb a lot of the story is . I recall some of it . like " why didn't they just blow the bridge and leave? a few dozen guys going to hold a bridge against a bunch of tigers? and they blow it anyway" He mention some guy he knew who was in vietnam telling him if he had been one of them he would have just shot tom hanks character blew the bridge and left lol He also mentioned some of the cheap cheesey cliches the film pulled to get the audience to be invested in the story but make very little sense after you think about it the charge on the radar dish was pretty fucking retarded for instance View Quote |
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The point of the scene was to show how selfless the medics could be. He wanted to be close enough to his buddies that he could treat them as quickly as possible. Yeah they should have split the force and let the sniper initiate contact and then killed the gun crew off. But they needed wade to die to create conflict. It's a movie. View Quote |
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How about the scene when the soldier’s helmet deflects a round. Then he takes it off to remark at his fortune “whew that was close” and then predictably he immediately takes a round between the eyes. That is campiness. View Quote |
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Weird. Lots of veterans that were on the beaches that day thought it was realistic. Which beach did you land on? http://oralhistoryaudiobooks.blogspot.com/2012/07/five-d-day-veterans-talkin-saving.html?m=1 https://www.uni-due.de/~lan500/movies/ryan/content/veterans.htm View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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the whole movie is hollywood nonsense http://oralhistoryaudiobooks.blogspot.com/2012/07/five-d-day-veterans-talkin-saving.html?m=1 https://www.uni-due.de/~lan500/movies/ryan/content/veterans.htm |
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I couldn’t tell if I was watching the Three Stooges a Marx brothers film or a movie.
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That movie made me say “holy fuck” more times than any previous war movie. View Quote His only critique was: "The wounds were too clean, but the rest looked real. Especially that part where he zoned out and could not hear." Got dust in my eyes after he said that. |
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Quoted: How about during the D-Day landing when the guy with the leg blown off thought one of the guys was going to help him but he just grabbed the ammo belt from around his neck and took off? That was campy as hell. View Quote |
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Just about every WW2 movie I watch, eventually I notice the actors' perfect teeth. In the 1940s, I'd bet most guys had never been to a dentist before they enlisted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, Matt Damon with his Good Will Hunting character and perfectly straightened, Crest whitened teeth was awful in the role. I was around a lot of WW2 vets in my young days. I recall a good many had military issued gold teeth. My first boss had two in front. I asked about the gold. He told me the Navy dentists fixed everybody's teeth. They'd fixed three in his mouth and pulled one. Funny thing is he said that since the war he'd had regular dental visits throughout his life and the gold repairs never had to be worked on and he never got another cavity. He was in his early sixties when I knew him. A carpenter in our shop was a veteran of the Battle of the Bulge. He also had one gold tooth that was WW2 issue. |
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OP is a psycho.
Everything he sees as "campy" was meant to convey the horror of war. |
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Today op learned a new word and started a thread in gd with it.
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Quoted: How about during the D-Day landing when the guy with the leg blown off thought one of the guys was going to help him but he just grabbed the ammo belt from around his neck and took off? That was campy as hell. View Quote Campy as hell, right? |
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The funniest bit is when posters still think Capt. Miller blew the tank up with his sidearm. It got bombed by an airplane. But a lot of people still don't get it. View Quote |
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As a Christian, you should know all about trying to live up to a standard that you can never achieve, and for "earning" what you have been given. Luke 12:48 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "Earn this" thing ruined it for me. It instantly turned a great movie into a Hollywood cheeseball. As a Christian it flies in the face of my personal outlook on life. It's totally stupid. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents |
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents View Quote |
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Wait, all these years I thought Saving Private Ryan was a war movie. Now you're saying it's supposed to be a Christian story or something? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents |
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the Bridge scene was a remake of a German film. Where Germans were defending it from the US. not seen that one yet, so not sure how much they kept but there is another interview where they show clips of it and several of the scenes are really close. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is an interview with John Milius from around 2001 on the web, he talks about SPR and how dumb a lot of the story is . I recall some of it . like " why didn't they just blow the bridge and leave? a few dozen guys going to hold a bridge against a bunch of tigers? and they blow it anyway" He mention some guy he knew who was in vietnam telling him if he had been one of them he would have just shot tom hanks character blew the bridge and left lol He also mentioned some of the cheap cheesey cliches the film pulled to get the audience to be invested in the story but make very little sense after you think about it the charge on the radar dish was pretty fucking retarded for instance I can see that. I've seen both versions and that makes some sense. |
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I didn’t call the things or events campy. I am saying the movie depicted these events with campiness. I think we are in such awe over the subject matter, and rightly so, that it clouds the way we judge the film. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I spent the better part of 20 years reading books on D day. I can tell you that probably 100% of the "campy" scenes came from a direct recounting from someone that was there and saw it. While watching the beach scene I remember thinking "I remember reading about that". So although you think those things were campy, they were also things that actually happened to real people. I think we are in such awe over the subject matter, and rightly so, that it clouds the way we judge the film. "SPR is campy!" "WTF?" "I meant some of the scenes in it are campy" "I've read a lot of books recounting D-Day and WWII, and many of the scenes you singled out, actually happened" "No, I meant some scenes were depicted with campiness" So, depicting things that actually happened, very likely by young men/boys in shock from their first ever encounter in real combat is campy? Did you think the guy flexing his almost blown-off arm, near the end of 13 Hours was campy too? People in shock do weird shit. |
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From a relative that was in the first landing wave on Omaha beach.
They were dropped short and were trying to make it to the beach. He spotted a fellow soldier clinging to an anti-tank obstacle. To avoid drowning or being shot, he pulled the guy off, took his place, and held on for dear life. Other soldiers tried to do the same to him, but failed. Campy, right? Or another time while moving thru hedge rows he saw a soldier crouched down but peeking over a hedge. He told him to get down and get moving multiple times with no response. Finally he went to go grab him thinking he had froze up. When he got there and turned the guy, the soldier fell over. It was then he saw the bullet hole in the guy's forehead. More Hollywood camp? |
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents View Quote |
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Never been to war, but my Korean War vet father (a medic) agreed to see the film in the theater with me when it came out. His only critique was: "The wounds were too clean, but the rest looked real. Especially that part where he zoned out and could not hear." Got dust in my eyes after he said that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That movie made me say “holy fuck” more times than any previous war movie. His only critique was: "The wounds were too clean, but the rest looked real. Especially that part where he zoned out and could not hear." Got dust in my eyes after he said that. It's the first movie I can recall, depicting the effects of shock like that. Going from the extremelybnb loud, constant barrage of sound, screams, and explosions, to that muffled "Eeeee", underwater muffled sound... Wow... I've watched SPR at friends' houses, vs watching it in my HT with a THX Reference calibrated sound system. I just don't get the same impact, without the difference from 90-100+db, to the suddenly quiet muffled droning. |
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents How is he supposed to earn it? Saving a bag of drowning puppies from the river? Not shagging anyone other than his old lady? He certainly can't go around dying for everyone, so when does he know that he's earned it? He doesn't, and he knows he never will. Internally his life has been a downward spriral of guilt as he tries in vain to outdo the last good deed with a better one. He has grown into an upstanding man to the outside world, but inside his shortcomings have made him a wreck. This is why he has to ask his woman to tell him what he needs to hear at the end. Of course she's going to oblige, but the truth is that he was sinful at birth, and that without the blood of Christ he's just as bad off as an old man. All his wife can do is use her own measuring stick and declare him good enough in her own mind. The validation of the wife is great, but she certainly can't make a decisive judgement on whether he has earned it or not. Ever. Do you think he got back on the plane after decades of uncertainly and thought, "well, that settles it." I don't. This is why Christianity works, and trying to live up to the expectations of man doesn't. |
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Watching SPR in the theater with a THX Reference sound system, THAT part of the Omaha beach scene sent chills down my spine. It's the first movie I can recall, depicting the effects of shock like that. Going from the extremelybnb loud, constant barrage of sound, screams, and explosions, to that muffled "Eeeee", underwater muffled sound... Wow... I've watched SPR at friends' houses, vs watching it in my HT with a THX Reference calibrated sound system. I just don't get the same impact, without the difference from 90-100+db, to the suddenly quiet muffled droning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That movie made me say “holy fuck” more times than any previous war movie. His only critique was: "The wounds were too clean, but the rest looked real. Especially that part where he zoned out and could not hear." Got dust in my eyes after he said that. It's the first movie I can recall, depicting the effects of shock like that. Going from the extremelybnb loud, constant barrage of sound, screams, and explosions, to that muffled "Eeeee", underwater muffled sound... Wow... I've watched SPR at friends' houses, vs watching it in my HT with a THX Reference calibrated sound system. I just don't get the same impact, without the difference from 90-100+db, to the suddenly quiet muffled droning. My dad and I got to the movie later than intended and we had to sit in the front row. When the shooting started I almost hit the floor. |
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About the only thing that bugged me about SPR was the guys constantly charging their weapons over and over, as if using the
sound/motion as a punctuation mark. Having said that, one can definitely see how Hollywood learned how to make a war movie between SPR and BoB. |
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You laugh or cry. I got a chuckle out of the guy looking for his arm on the beach. IIRC that was a true event that they decided to put in the script. People do weird things under stress. View Quote |
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This! Sets the guy up to live up to a standard he could never possibly achieve. Poor old guy has to get validation from his wife at the end; doesn't even know decades after the war if he's been a good enough boy to "earn" being spared. As a Christian it flies in the face of my personal outlook on life. It's totally stupid. View Quote |
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "Earn this" thing ruined it for me. It instantly turned a great movie into a Hollywood cheeseball. As a Christian it flies in the face of my personal outlook on life. It's totally stupid. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents FWIW, lots of WWII vets spent the rest of their lives wondering why they survived and others didn't. My dad was probably one of them. My FIL was one of only two guys to get out of his B-17 alive. He might have wondered about that too but I never asked him or any other WWII vets. |
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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
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My great-uncle Bob said the opening landing scene in SPR was hands down the most realistic portrayal of an amphibious landing he'd ever seen in a movie, and he'd know since Omaha Beach was his third (after Gela, Sicily for Husky and Oran, Algeria for Torch) of the war. He was in the 1st Infantry, 16th RCT for Overlord and they took around 50% casualties during the initial landings. He thought the rest of the movie was fairly silly though because,"Shit didn't happen like that." But even the stuff he thought was dumb/wrong, he didn't think was "campy."
He also thought that When Trumpets Fade did the best job of any Hollywood movie at showing how brutal combat in the ETO was for the average infantryman, and especially the ones "lucky" enough to fight in Hurtgen Forest; his hair turned snow white there when he was the ripe old age of 21. His favorite WWII movie, even though he pointed out all the technical faults, was The Big Red One because he said it actually captured the way the guys felt and interacted with one another. He was an honest to God American badass, and I miss the hell out of him and his stories; even though my mom used to get cranky at him when we were kids and would ask about the war and he'd start with something like,"D-Day was a bitch, the motherfucking krauts had so many goddamn machineguns..." "Uncle Bob!" "Sorry, where was I..." |
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Capt.Miller didn't like the mission to begin with. Most of his "squad" had been killed, and now he was fatally wounded. As a high school teacher and baseball coach, he was used to lecturing younger guys. I think he was basically telling Pvt.Ryan that the lives lost in getting him back home had better be worth it. I'm not offended by that. FWIW, lots of WWII vets spent the rest of their lives wondering why they survived and others didn't. My dad was probably one of them. My FIL was one of only two guys to get out of his B-17 alive. He might have wondered about that too but I never asked him or any other WWII vets. View Quote |
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This. His character ruined the movie for me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fuck corporal Upham.. Fuck his character, Fuck the person who played him.. Now I’m pissed off.. every time I hear of this movie I watch that scene in my head and get totally pissed off. Thank you OP for pissing me off. In another SPR thread, a poster said that a WWII combat vet (dad or uncle) told him that "there were lots of Uphams" in the war. I don't doubt that. |
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I like the way the sniper scoped changed from a Lyman M81 to a Unertl.
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I know all about the impossible standards I set for others, how I've made my wife, for instance, feel at times as though nothing she does is ever good enough. It's what people do to each other. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The whole "Earn this" thing ruined it for me. It instantly turned a great movie into a Hollywood cheeseball. As a Christian it flies in the face of my personal outlook on life. It's totally stupid. Tom Hanks was just as much a sinner as Matt Damon, and while the former's deeds were noble, he had no right to ask the latter to earn anything. Christ was perfect, his sacrifice sufficient, so we therefore owe obedience to him and him only. Now, if Tom Hanks had read Luke 12:41-48 to Matt Damon, and Matt Damon's question at the end had been, "have I been a faithful and sensible steward", that would have been one thing, but that isn't what happened. Tom, as I see it, told Ryan to conform to his idea of a life well-lived, and we're not supposed to do that. Jesus didn't say, "look at the sacrifice I made for you, now go and earn this." How much more, as humans, should we avoid saying it to others? Just my two cents |
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OP, your thread sucks. Like a campy kind of sucking. Go somewhere and feel shame. I'm going to help you, here are the hot granddaughters: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-djC4kpuUoko/UO8aLMtBD9I/AAAAAAAAXLY/DncxcnitqZU/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-12-20+at+1.33.38+AM.png https://snusercontent.global.ssl.fastly.net/member-profile-full/98/38798_3590174.jpg View Quote She has a fantastic scene in Bubba Hotep! |
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Amazing how many pessimistic, old, angry retards are on this website lmao
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Campy? Only the pillow fights seemed campy to me. The rest was filled with over the top cliches. That tends to be a problem Spielberg has.
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SPR is a 20 year old movie. I suspect some of those scenes would be done differently today. That doesn't make them campy.
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