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Posted: 9/6/2018 2:48:17 AM EDT
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heres some things you should consider: theres some translation interpretations that "light" and "dark" in genesis mean "progress, postive phase" and "nothing, negative phase", which genesis says something like, god saw light was good, and separated the light from darkness. he called the light "day" and the darkness "night". so if you keep reading genesis, when it starts listing days, it can be read as the first day = first creation, 2nd day = 2nd creation etc. Also, the first 2 verses in genesis in english uses the term darkness, when other translations are more specific, and use words akin to "stuggle, calamity". if you use this definition for "darkness" it changes the meaning of the verse dramatically.
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Posted: 9/6/2018 4:19:05 AM EDT
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Genetically dominant and superior humans live longer and breeding with relatives has no negative effects. So why did they start dying younger and younger? Did they not follow God's advice, such as eating and dealing with animals that viruses easily jumped to humans? Did those offspring that sinned the most corrupt their DNA? Is this why God told them not to take wives from certain peoples? Maybe we have cancer today because when he commanded them to kill all the people and animals they didn't. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 8:45:14 AM EDT
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heres some things you should consider: theres some translation interpretations that "light" and "dark" in genesis mean "progress, postive phase" and "nothing, negative phase", which genesis says something like, god saw light was good, and separated the light from darkness. he called the light "day" and the darkness "night". so if you keep reading genesis, when it starts listing days, it can be read as the first day = first creation, 2nd day = 2nd creation etc. Also, the first 2 verses in genesis in english uses the term darkness, when other translations are more specific, and use words akin to "stuggle, calamity". if you use this definition for "darkness" it changes the meaning of the verse dramatically. 
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Posted: 9/6/2018 8:46:28 AM EDT
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Explaining the details of fantasies doesn't concern me
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Posted: 9/6/2018 8:52:11 AM EDT
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Explaining the details of fantasies doesn't concern me |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 9:18:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, all that is in the bible. There was a heavy dew (Genesis 2:5-6). God simply did not water the earth with rain until the flood. Cain grew crops and yes, there was enough light for crop growth (obveously, since it says he grew them). I know some think this is all fairy tales. But if God says it happened, I believe it. If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak. If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven. Water in the earth: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/ Second, how can there be so little light that the sun had no effect on their bodies, but enough light to make crops grow? Third, I looked at the scripture you posted and didn't see anything about dew or cloud cover. Is that in a different part? You also didn't answer why there would be no rain with extremely thick cloud cover or if modern people who get exposed to little sunlight would live longer. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 10:59:33 AM EDT
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Well first off, I am not an atheist, which I guess you assumed. I am just looking to find out how you have come to your conclusions. Second, how can there be so little light that the sun had no effect on their bodies, but enough light to make crops grow? Third, I looked at the scripture you posted and didn't see anything about dew or cloud cover. Is that in a different part? You also didn't answer why there would be no rain with extremely thick cloud cover or if modern people who get exposed to little sunlight would live longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes, all that is in the bible. There was a heavy dew (Genesis 2:5-6). God simply did not water the earth with rain until the flood. Cain grew crops and yes, there was enough light for crop growth (obveously, since it says he grew them). I know some think this is all fairy tales. But if God says it happened, I believe it. If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak. If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven. Water in the earth: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/ Second, how can there be so little light that the sun had no effect on their bodies, but enough light to make crops grow? Third, I looked at the scripture you posted and didn't see anything about dew or cloud cover. Is that in a different part? You also didn't answer why there would be no rain with extremely thick cloud cover or if modern people who get exposed to little sunlight would live longer. 1. Polar ice caps show records for precipitation (snow) dating back many 100's of thousands of years. 2. No rain would imply a constant earth temp which we know is impossible from earth's orbit around the son. 3. Exposure to little sunlight causes vitamin D deficiency which lead to weak bones and problems with child birth, and depression among other things. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 11:18:44 AM EDT
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As someone who isn't religious That doesn't prove it didnt happen Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Evolution. That doesn't prove it didnt happen |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 11:24:25 AM EDT
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A full grown human being? no. I don't believe that's how life started. A woman from a rib, probably not. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 11:25:48 AM EDT
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And evolution is unproven. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 4:04:52 PM EDT
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Cloning technology? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A full grown human being? no. I don't believe that's how life started. A woman from a rib, probably not. Have you looked into th Annunaki? The Annunaki. Their flood myth includes not animals two by two, but storing the dna instead. Epic of Gilgamesh They also knew where the planets were.  Attached FileApologetics say Christianity is true because of how old it is, the Mesopotamians have them beat by miles. Very interesting early religion. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 6:31:04 PM EDT
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That makes much more sense. Not so much about cloning but how we all started one place and have conquered the world The fascinating thing is, its only recently that humans are able to understand all the implications of Adam's statement. Before knowing about DNA and cloning, Adam's statement was only poetry. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 7:07:14 PM EDT
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They also knew where the planets were. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137867/Nibiru-end-of-the-world-2017-September-23-ancient-sumerians-planet-x-apocalypse-1072857-663408.JPG |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 8:05:49 PM EDT
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umm yeah, its amazing how so many people criticize the bible or says it says things when it clearly states otherwise. I dont understand how people can confuse the talmud as applying to all of humanity, when it very clearly is a rough genealogy and history of his "chosen people" aka the Jews. ... |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 9:02:10 PM EDT
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All 11 of them? I guess we need to keep looking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also knew where the planets were. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137867/Nibiru-end-of-the-world-2017-September-23-ancient-sumerians-planet-x-apocalypse-1072857-663408.JPG How many planets are mentioned in the bible? |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 7:09:20 AM EDT
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All 11 of them? I guess we need to keep looking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also knew where the planets were. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137867/Nibiru-end-of-the-world-2017-September-23-ancient-sumerians-planet-x-apocalypse-1072857-663408.JPG There’s actually more than 11 if you are willing to get as small as Haumea and Ceres. You also have moon like Earth’s, Ganymede, and Titan that are all larger than the Dawrf Planets. So that’s another way to get 11. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:27:25 AM EDT
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Stories engrained in the human psyche that cross cultures and civilizations and which date back to before recorded history are of zero relevance because... fantasies. Just wild fantasies. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 8:31:06 AM EDT
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None of it happened. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:16:39 PM EDT
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Cain married a woman from the land of Nod and bore a son, Enoch. That woman was of no relation. There were clearly other proto-humans in the region, just none that met whatever standard led to the Fall story. Frankly, Bible stories make a whole lot more sense enlightened by science than placed in opposition to science. Don’t let that go to your head. 
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:25:20 PM EDT
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Verse? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is what I conclude as well. There were other people outside of Adam and Eve. The Bible pretty much says so. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:32:44 PM EDT
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And evolution is unproven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Evolution. That doesn't prove it didnt happen |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:33:32 PM EDT
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This pseudosciencey bs that gets posted in these threads is always hilarious.
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:46:00 PM EDT
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Just a little food for thought...
At the time of Adam and eve humans were already in agrarian civilization,,,, No mention of hunter gatherer societies, Perhaps is more story of the first modern civilization, rather than A story of the first human beings. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 7:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well when God marked Cane he sent him to live in the land of Nod, and the mark was so the people there would know he was a murderer. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:41:44 PM EDT
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Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake. There’s actually more than 11 if you are willing to get as small as Haumea and Ceres. You also have moon like Earth’s, Ganymede, and Titan that are all larger than the Dawrf Planets. So that’s another way to get 11. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also knew where the planets were. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137867/Nibiru-end-of-the-world-2017-September-23-ancient-sumerians-planet-x-apocalypse-1072857-663408.JPG There’s actually more than 11 if you are willing to get as small as Haumea and Ceres. You also have moon like Earth’s, Ganymede, and Titan that are all larger than the Dawrf Planets. So that’s another way to get 11. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Go to adam and eve . com. the answer is there.
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:50:41 PM EDT
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Are you implying that they could have identified those objects? Might as well throw Oumuamua on the list in your fantasy world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They also knew where the planets were. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137867/Nibiru-end-of-the-world-2017-September-23-ancient-sumerians-planet-x-apocalypse-1072857-663408.JPG There’s actually more than 11 if you are willing to get as small as Haumea and Ceres. You also have moon like Earth’s, Ganymede, and Titan that are all larger than the Dawrf Planets. So that’s another way to get 11. Just responding to a suggestion that, were someone to have asserted there were “11 planets,” this wouldn’t necessarily mean we’d have yet to discover them. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:52:48 PM EDT
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Cain married a woman from the land of Nod and bore a son, Enoch. That woman was of no relation. There were clearly other proto-humans in the region, just none that met whatever standard led to the Fall story. Frankly, Bible stories make a whole lot more sense enlightened by science than placed in opposition to science. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:55:38 PM EDT
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People can debate evolution all they want, but we can look around and see de-evolution everywhere.
Probably the reason they lived 900 years and we don’t. The genetics weren’t as jacked up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 9:58:20 PM EDT
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Just a little food for thought... At the time of Adam and eve humans were already in agrarian civilization,,,, No mention of hunter gatherer societies, Perhaps is more story of the first modern civilization, rather than A story of the first human beings. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:09:51 PM EDT
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I'm not taking sides here, but isn't that pretty much the theory of evolution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Evolution. That doesn't prove it didnt happen There’s a problem with that. The Hebrew language uses different grammatical structure for metaphors / allegorical writing than it does for text meant to be taken literally. The portions of the Old Testament dealing with the law is written with the historical / literal construction. As is Genesis. The Hebrews that wrote it down took it as a historical account and recorded it that way. It’s either correct or it isn’t. Everyone’s just going to have to decide what they believe and what they don’t. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:20:21 PM EDT
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People can debate evolution all they want, but we can look around and see de-evolution everywhere. Probably the reason they lived 900 years and we don’t. The genetics weren’t as jacked up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:22:53 PM EDT
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People can debate evolution all they want, but we can look around and see de-evolution everywhere. Probably the reason they lived 900 years and we don’t. The genetics weren’t as jacked up. There is no physical evidence of humans living that long. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it's not This is the problem. You can run an experiment showing adaptation via natural selection. You cannot demonstrate experimentally a simpler species evolving into another, more complex one. No one lives long enough to do the experiment properly. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where can this de-evolution be seen? |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:37:58 PM EDT
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Point to the experiment that demonstrates one species evolving into another. This is the problem. You can run an experiment showing adaptation via natural selection. You cannot demonstrate experimentally a simpler species evolving into another, more complex one. No one lives long enough to do the experiment properly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No it's not This is the problem. You can run an experiment showing adaptation via natural selection. You cannot demonstrate experimentally a simpler species evolving into another, more complex one. No one lives long enough to do the experiment properly. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:43:58 PM EDT
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Adam and Eve is a sex toy shop chain.
NOAA (pronounced Noah) is a weather station you might listen to when boating. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:47:21 PM EDT
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You don’t need a direct observation of speciation to find evidence of evolution. You’ll find it everywhere in the world of genetics. Leaving out for just a moment the question of where all the species came from to start with, seeing species that share similar traits could be evidence of evolution...or could be evidence that there are a limited number of successful ways to survive, so successful species will tend to share some successful traits. These are not the same thing. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:50:07 PM EDT
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People can debate evolution all they want, but we can look around and see de-evolution everywhere. Probably the reason they lived 900 years and we don’t. The genetics weren’t as jacked up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:51:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2018 10:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're kidding right? Humans have never lived 900 or even 150. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:17:10 PM EDT
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Let me see if i remember 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years and begat a son in his own image; and called his name Seth: 6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel: 15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech: 28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah,... 
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:21:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are lots of immediate problems with the no rain nonsense including: 1. Polar ice caps show records for precipitation (snow) dating back many 100's of thousands of years. 2. No rain would imply a constant earth temp which we know is impossible from earth's orbit around the son. 3. Exposure to little sunlight causes vitamin D deficiency which lead to weak bones and problems with child birth, and depression among other things. 2) Mars Earth Wars |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:31:29 PM EDT
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 Attached FileFunny how young earth creationists rebuttal to evolution is hyper-evolution. Unless you claim that Noah took two of every species of every type of animal, instead of "kinds". Based on the "kinds" model we should be seeing 35-40 new species every day. Which of course we don't. How come the fossil record contradicts the flood model? But is consistent with an evolutionary model?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:34:19 PM EDT
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Cain married a woman from the land of Nod and bore a son, Enoch. That woman was of no relation. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:42:00 PM EDT
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Cain married a woman from the land of Nod and bore a son, Enoch. That woman was of no relation. There were clearly other proto-humans in the region, just none that met whatever standard led to the Fall story. Frankly, Bible stories make a whole lot more sense enlightened by science than placed in opposition to science. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:42:45 PM EDT
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I dont know man, I imagine it was about the same sway the Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer was able to outwit an advanced allien hunter who was systematically hunting down his SF one by one. Somebody thought up some random ass story, wrote it down.
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:51:09 PM EDT
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See previous. The Genesis account is either right or wrong. People have to decide for themselves which it is. I’ve decided it’s accurate. So no, not kidding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:55:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So God created Adam and Eve, they had children, and their child married a woman from a different village/region. It kind of blows the whole creation story out the window. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:57:14 PM EDT
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And, how did they progress from nice WASPY names like Adam and Eve to Meshac and Abednego? And the back again to Paul, Dave, and Mark? |
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