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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:42:23 PM EDT
These seem cheap, but what do you folks think of this?:
I have a hk93 - mainly the reason I'm looking at this. Searching the internets, I see this was available back in 2011 and sold out until now where I see it popping up on a few sites again. Anyone have any experience with these? |
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Fucking huge
Good for guard tower type duty trying to spot a million Russian zergrushing your position Trying to find the ATF sneaking up on your house ? Not so much |
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Quoted: Fucking huge Good for guard tower type duty trying to spot a million Russian zergrushing your position Trying to find the ATF sneaking up on your house ? Not so much View Quote Yeah it's big and heavy, but don't have $3k for a pvs-14. ~ $600, I will give it a try if it's better than anything at that price.
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee...
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Quoted: A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... View Quote The fact it's one of the rare things that actually mounts directly to my 93, intrigued me.
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If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you.
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Quoted: If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you. View Quote Ok, wtf...ordered. Should be interesting scanning for coyotes, if nothing else
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If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you. Ok, wtf...ordered. Should be interesting scanning for coyotes, if nothing else Nice! I'd be interested to see a review once you get it. |
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Are these the scopes that put 3 gen1 tubes in a row to get a gen2 quality picture?
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buy once cry once the diff between gen3 pvs-14 and cheap shit IS NIGHT AND DAY
gen 1/2 your better off with a decent flashlight ...that said check the EE for some GEN1 shit I am getting rid of LOL |
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I searched around on these and found claims they are 4.5x magnified and do not work with an illuminator . They are interesting
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's.
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... View Quote SPG? |
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. SPG? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. Quoted:
A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG? SportsmansGuide |
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. Quoted:
A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG? SportsmansGuide Ha. No. If they ever bother to ship, I'd have to replace a credit card again because someone at their payment processor compromised mine the last time I ever ordered from them. |
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it.
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. View Quote pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later |
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pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, (though 5,56) and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. |
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That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... |
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Mine is a great unit. I put an arms qd mount on it.
It has a really clear image that provides a lot of detail. I would say the quality is almost as good as a pvs-4. The included mounts will not work on a picatinny rail, so you need a picatinny stanag mount. |
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well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... Yes, well, I'm thinking more putting down coyotes, not so much urban warfare. |
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Cool protip brah. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg whats the nod there ? |
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.htmlu You will thank me later http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg whats the nod there ? Pulsar plated tube in a third party housing. Somewhere between modern gen 1+ and older gen 2. Better image than gen 1 but more ir dependent than modern gen 2+. past around 50 yards. Much wider field of view than older units but not quite gen 3 level. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Okay, ordered one. I'd been looking for some sort of NV, yeah, it's heavy, but it's going on a G1 FAL. I've always been pleased with the quality of German gear, I'll see how well it works.
Apparently not good with flaring light sources, but there's no streetlights here. I just remember how pitch black it was after the 2008 ice storm wiped out all the power for weeks, just enough moonlight for one of these, likely. Can't hurt to have one. |
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I seem to remember reading that these things actually have a shelf life?
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I have one. It's big and heavy. Mine wouldnt focus out far enough and I found online where you can loosen the set screws and move the adjustment knob so it will adjust further. I achieved this, but then I broke the dayshade, and I have to remove the batteries to get it to turn off.
Anyone know how to fix this? LOL |
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Cool protip brah. http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg |
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Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious.
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I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select.
Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? |
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I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select. Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? View Quote That's fairly common. You can hear it in his video too. |
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Don't let the price fool you. Just as the Hensoldt scopes that were originally sold for $450 here are really more like $800 scopes quality-wise, I've seen a lot
of reviews by people comparing these Zeiss Orions to $1200-$1400 Gen II scopes with a few advantages (never owned anything else so I can't say.) Yes, Ideally one would have a hi-end AR with a $3000 NV unit on it. |
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I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select. Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? View Quote So after 1k hours they are no good? Can you order replacement parts to extend this lifespan? |
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Can one really use the word "cheap" (w/o preceeding it with NOT) to describe anything Zeiss?
Aloha, Mark |
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View Quote Please tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. |
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Quoted: Please tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Please tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. That's the lightweight Stepanov tripod for the PKM. Mine came with my PKM. Try Google or Gunbroker. Apex Gun Parts has a damaged one for $325.
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