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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:27:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not gonna lie, that looks pretty sweet. BBBBBBBut I thought ARFCOM hated bipod VFG.... |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:27:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.8x42mm... interesting... Bullet mass/typeVelocity Energy 4.15 g (64 gr) DBP87/95 FMJ 930 m/s (3,100 ft/s)1,795 J (1,324 ft·lbf) 5 g (77 gr) DBP88 FMJ 870 m/s (2,900 ft/s)1,892 J (1,395 ft·lbf) 4.6 g (71 gr) DBP10 FMJ 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s)1,926 J (1,421 ft·lbf) It's a copy of 5.56 then? But bigger. 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:28:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we've reached the point with rifles where they are all pretty much some version of either an AR design, an AR180 design or an AK design. The SCAR, ACR, MCX, are all pretty much based on the AR180. This rifle is intresting. It shows a shift in their approach to combat. They have embraced optics and clearly built a rifle set up to use optics vs their old QBZ-95 rifle that had a 12" height over bore with the optic mounted. It was very clearly an after thought. They have also changed their manual of arms completely with a traditional style rifle vs older bullpup design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0968_JPG-1633589.JPG Their bullpup was designed back before optics were common. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:28:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BBBBBBBut I thought ARFCOM hated bipod VFG.... But if it comes with a built in G-Plo, fleshlight, raser designator... |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im more curious about their nightvision Me too. It looks tiny. Almost like it’s a digital device. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:33:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BBBBBBBut I thought ARFCOM hated bipod VFG.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not gonna lie, that looks pretty sweet. BBBBBBBut I thought ARFCOM hated bipod VFG.... They should. First a full size VFG is stupid. It's not needed and just adds a snag point on your rifle. Second, the set up of a bipod VFG is heavy and clunky. 2006 called, it wants its bipod VFG back.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:33:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.8x42mm... interesting... Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 4.15 g (64 gr) DBP87/95 FMJ 930 m/s (3,100 ft/s) 1,795 J (1,324 ftlbf) 5 g (77 gr) DBP88 FMJ 870 m/s (2,900 ft/s) 1,892 J (1,395 ftlbf) 4.6 g (71 gr) DBP10 FMJ 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s) 1,926 J (1,421 ftlbf) It's a copy of 5.56 then? with slightly heavier projectiles. there's been a rumor for a while that the reason for the US fast tracking the tan XSAPI plates (above Level IV protection) was a particularly nasty 5.8 AP round |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their bullpup was designed back before optics were common. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we've reached the point with rifles where they are all pretty much some version of either an AR design, an AR180 design or an AK design. The SCAR, ACR, MCX, are all pretty much based on the AR180. This rifle is intresting. It shows a shift in their approach to combat. They have embraced optics and clearly built a rifle set up to use optics vs their old QBZ-95 rifle that had a 12" height over bore with the optic mounted. It was very clearly an after thought. They have also changed their manual of arms completely with a traditional style rifle vs older bullpup design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0968_JPG-1633589.JPG Their bullpup was designed back before optics were common. I'm aware of that. Their approach though to mounting optics on those rifles was lazy. Just adding a rail on top of the rifle vs something like the M4/M16A3-A4 where the entire sighting system was redesigned. They have taken that approach with this new rifle and clearly are bought in when it comes to optics now. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:36:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: looks like a primary arms cyclops on top of it haha A shitty half-assed rifle with a Cyclops on it will still smoke-check your ass..... It doesn't take a perfect weapon or optic to kill people very well. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:39:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet the optic is just as good as an Aimpoint at 1/3 the price though... bUt MuH sIg/HoLoSuN oPtIcS ! JUsT aS gUd  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that what they’re going to invade the USA with?  Invade? Lol they will.never need to as long as we have Democrats |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:43:05 AM EDT
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they have there own TAPCO?
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:47:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet again, not an original idea in their commie heads. The 1903 Springfield was developed after extensive study of Mauser rifles captured during the Spanish-American war. In fact, Mauser brought suit and the U S Government was forced to pay them royalties on the Springfield design. I don't have any use for the Chinese, but there it is. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 9:54:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.8x42mm... interesting... Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 4.15 g (64 gr) DBP87/95 FMJ 930 m/s (3,100 ft/s) 1,795 J (1,324 ft·lbf) 5 g (77 gr) DBP88 FMJ 870 m/s (2,900 ft/s) 1,892 J (1,395 ft·lbf) 4.6 g (71 gr) DBP10 FMJ 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s) 1,926 J (1,421 ft·lbf) It's a copy of 5.56 then? with slightly heavier projectiles. What barrel length was used for these results? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:11:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rending of garments over "dEy AlWaYs CoPyInG tHiNgS" is amusing: If you had a MASSIVE military (manpower wise) and needed weapons platforms quickly and needed to spend a majority of your capital on the weapon, NOT R&D, what would you do? The more money you save on R&D means more rifles, missiles, aircraft, etc... This is my thought. Western countries have trained and equipped them to manufacture a huge variety of objects based on a design, and they have developed an R&D skill that is hard to match. US companies have educated them in the best way to build optics, mold and reinforce plastic, etc. We spend years and millions of dollars to develop a product, test and field it to guarantee it's viability, and then push it into production. We then allow eastern workers to get close enough to it to examine. Why would they go through that whole process when they can just copy a design that is known to work? It makes total sense for me. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:14:30 AM EDT
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At least they were able to avoid having a 6" high receiver, unlike western SCAR knock-offs
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:17:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you buy wolverines abomination I will find you and harm you.  @Louis-Riel  what's (still) wrong with it? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:19:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sort of want, how's that war with china coming? So we'll see them as a battlefield pick up? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:20:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we've reached the point with rifles where they are all pretty much some version of either an AR design, an AR180 design or an AK design. The SCAR, ACR, MCX, are all pretty much based on the AR180. This rifle is intresting. It shows a shift in their approach to combat. They have embraced optics and clearly built a rifle set up to use optics vs their old QBZ-95 rifle that had a 12" height over bore with the optic mounted. It was very clearly an after thought. They have also changed their manual of arms completely with a traditional style rifle vs older bullpup design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0968_JPG-1633589.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh look, the Chinese copied the 416 and the SCAR.  I think we've reached the point with rifles where they are all pretty much some version of either an AR design, an AR180 design or an AK design. The SCAR, ACR, MCX, are all pretty much based on the AR180. This rifle is intresting. It shows a shift in their approach to combat. They have embraced optics and clearly built a rifle set up to use optics vs their old QBZ-95 rifle that had a 12" height over bore with the optic mounted. It was very clearly an after thought. They have also changed their manual of arms completely with a traditional style rifle vs older bullpup design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/73787/IMG_0968_JPG-1633589.JPG Another country ditching bullpups. Huh.  |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's be honest, all you silly geese would buy one and as many cases of 5.8 as you could in a heartbeat if there was no import ban. I fucking would. These might get imported into Canada 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:22:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $500 AR15 is still better than this. Plus, logistics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So China comes up with something new and cool, but not a single fucking US manufacturer can make anything other than a $500 AR15. Ok. $500 AR15 is still better than this. Plus, logistics. I want a chinesiumcope-416 would raff if there's some parts compatibility with AR15s CHICOM PISTON FAGGOTRY @WhiskersTheCat |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we'll see them as a battlefield pick up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sort of want, how's that war with china coming? So we'll see them as a battlefield pick up? 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:23:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a chinesiumcope-416 would raff if there's some parts compatibility with AR15s CHICOM PISTON FAGGOTRY @WhiskersTheCat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So China comes up with something new and cool, but not a single fucking US manufacturer can make anything other than a $500 AR15. Ok. $500 AR15 is still better than this. Plus, logistics. I want a chinesiumcope-416 would raff if there's some parts compatibility with AR15s CHICOM PISTON FAGGOTRY @WhiskersTheCat Naturally these dumb commies made a piston gay abortion |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:24:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its like this board has two contradicting views of COVID19 at the same time, its a chinese WMD and a democrat hoax thats just a cold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They nuked us with Covid. Still taking casualties. Its like this board has two contradicting views of COVID19 at the same time, its a chinese WMD and a democrat hoax thats just a cold. I'm in the former. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its like this board has two contradicting views of COVID19 at the same time, its a chinese WMD and a democrat hoax thats just a cold. What's contradictory about it? A Chinese engineered bio-weapon that doesn't work very well as a bio-weapon and was released on themselves through incompetence doesn't really stretch the imagination. Neither does the Democrats using it's existence to cast shade on the Trump administration. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:47:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rending of garments over "dEy AlWaYs CoPyInG tHiNgS" is amusing: If you had a MASSIVE military (manpower wise) and needed weapons platforms quickly and needed to spend a majority of your capital on the weapon, NOT R&D, what would you do? The more money you save on R&D means more rifles, missiles, aircraft, etc... Also, the companies producing arms and weapon systems are VASTLY different enterprises than Plant #17 in Chenzou producing rubber dog shit. It's akin to another country calling Raytheon or Colt Manufacturing shit because our country also houses Ford/Dodge/Chevy. Ethnocentrism and complacency have bred decadence in US society and it will be our downfall... meanwhile: 87% of the West copied/copies the AR18 to some extent
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:47:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naturally these dumb commies made a piston gay abortion just like the EUrofags 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:49:05 AM EDT
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Heh heh. Even the backward-ass Chicoms realize that the bullpup concept is a dead-end.
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These might get imported into Canada Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's be honest, all you silly geese would buy one and as many cases of 5.8 as you could in a heartbeat if there was no import ban. I fucking would. These might get imported into Canada I thought the boy who would be PM outlawed such things? |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:50:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:50:51 AM EDT
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Lol "ethnocentrism" is a blindspot for the west but not for China.
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Posted: 10/13/2020 11:51:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that what they’re going to invade the USA with? I hope so, I want 2 and maybe a IAR variant which the surely must have somewhere. 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the boy who would be PM outlawed such things? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's be honest, all you silly geese would buy one and as many cases of 5.8 as you could in a heartbeat if there was no import ban. I fucking would. These might get imported into Canada I thought the boy who would be PM outlawed such things? the Norinco chipup still hasn't been banned yet, AFAIK (only their AR15 and M1A clones) can't offend the Liberals' Chicom masters 
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:09:00 PM EDT
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I think I saw that in the Harbor Freight catalog, but it was exempt from the 20% coupon.
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Louis-Riel what's (still) wrong with it? @SBR_Slut Hopefully I did that mention thing correctly. I was banned on CGN for telling the truth and sharing my opinion on the black rifle market in Canada. To be honest that wolverine gun is on the same level as the NEA ar15s that were made. Do you remember those shitty rifles? I was on cgn in 06 and a decent community member. I got my final warning when I spread the news about the weapon being trash and dangerous. I called out green tips that Chinese bastard for shilling them and was threatened with a law suit. Basically the same thing happened with wolverines gun except the shill and threatening part. Canadians will jump over any not an ar15, ar15 weapon. The manufacturers know this and pump out complete trash knowing “we” will gobble it up. It’s truly sad. They even were posting about it on /k/ non stop about how it was the best gun ever. As for this new weapon; I hate China but norinco has done a great job arming Canada. It’s almost twilight zone material. If/when China lands here they will be shot at by good ole boys with guns from norinco lol... **to any Chinese reading this. Canada has a horrible problem with *them* not necessarily you. They come here with no intention of trying to adapt to Canadian culture. My wife works with a few in the medical field that are actually “western” and they are alright. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 12:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of the AK style Galil Ace. That's what I was thinking. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 1:14:31 PM EDT
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If grip pods were a song...
 The Offspring - Pretty Fly (For A White Guy) (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that an NCStar optic? Yes, they have NCStar optics they send to other countries. And they have NcStar optics they send to 'fellow travelers' |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:26:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not gonna lie, that looks pretty sweet. So do the sweet 15 dollar R/C helicopters on Amazon, but then they break after 2 uses. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:28:21 PM EDT
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Lol those little goggles. It’s funny cause have squinty eyes. |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:38:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chicoms can build very nice guns and have been able too since at least the 80s. They make some of the best AKs ever imported. People talking shit because the last chinese plastic doohickey they bought from Walmart broke on the first use have probably never used a Chinese made rifle. I have one from /416\ and wish I had many more! All part of their 1000 year plan to select USA hardware in picking up US weapons, since there's are 'so much better and superior' WTF do I know? I'm sure they have state of the art hardware,, whever the feel the need to take action , so please report that shit. At my level, I'm reporting weapons I see at local ranges. some here, some there Big Question, Is the US keeping tabs on what's out there and where it is??? BIG QUESTION for US lowly plebes that might have to engage, what are the strengths/weaknesses of this platform. encrypt data if need be, Maybe a reason why, later. Big quesstion, if solid intel is captured, where should we git to? unfortunately, we're not as organized a the aholes that plan to steal an election. No proof, just a feeling We need an intel comand center to help relay what is going on in the world. Hell, i'll figure out baogung for these stakes ;0 |
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Posted: 10/13/2020 10:43:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2020 3:57:06 AM EDT
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Sometimes the question becomes "Is it good enough?", and not always "Is it the best?".
Look at the initial armament designs of WWII vs late stage.   If you can get 80% the performance at 1/3 the cost, that might be an advantage in some circumstances. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 4:07:22 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1903 Springfield was developed after extensive study of Mauser rifles captured during the Spanish-American war. In fact, Mauser brought suit and the U S Government was forced to pay them royalties on the Springfield design. I don't have any use for the Chinese, but there it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yet again, not an original idea in their commie heads. The 1903 Springfield was developed after extensive study of Mauser rifles captured during the Spanish-American war. In fact, Mauser brought suit and the U S Government was forced to pay them royalties on the Springfield design. I don't have any use for the Chinese, but there it is. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 6:29:44 AM EDT
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That looks like a galil ACE, Sig 550, and a CZ been 2 had a love child. The stock and pistol grip looks very magpul-ish.
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Posted: 10/14/2020 9:32:08 AM EDT
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Would you prefer the Chinese didn't copy stuff?
I really don't want to see them issuing a electromag railgun rifle. Uh-oh....  China's Railgun Rifle - Railgun In Assault Rifle Form ! Is It Possible? |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 9:37:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes the question becomes "Is it good enough?", and not always "Is it the best?". Look at the initial armament designs of WWII vs late stage. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/M1A1.gif https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/M3-SMG.jpg/640px-M3-SMG.jpg If you can get 80% the performance at 1/3 the cost, that might be an advantage in some circumstances. Not just cheaper but they were easier to produce and could be produced in much higher numbers in the same amount of time. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 9:39:13 AM EDT
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Looks ok to me.
Who'd they steal the design from? |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 9:41:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What barrel length was used for these results? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 5.8x42mm... interesting... Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 4.15 g (64 gr) DBP87/95 FMJ 930 m/s (3,100 ft/s) 1,795 J (1,324 ft·lbf) 5 g (77 gr) DBP88 FMJ 870 m/s (2,900 ft/s) 1,892 J (1,395 ft·lbf) 4.6 g (71 gr) DBP10 FMJ 915 m/s (3,000 ft/s) 1,926 J (1,421 ft·lbf) It's a copy of 5.56 then? with slightly heavier projectiles. What barrel length was used for these results? Article says their standard issue is a 14.5" barrel, 10.5 for PDW/vehicle crews. |
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