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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. WTF? Does anyone take them seriously? Most people believe he told the stories. I don't know anyone who believes either event happened. |
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LOL so all the hate spread about Chris Kyle lieing, was mainly lies? lol jealousy will do that
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A lot of people believe that Kyle told both stories because they are often repeated, but there really is no direct evidence that he actually said them and we are really just left with second and third hand accounts--not enough to condemn the man, IMHO.
IN Webb's blog, Kyle is not said saying the story but saying along he lines of "yeah, I heard that too" about contractors in Katrina but he did not say he was there. He did not confirm the gas station story to Mooney in his alleged interview, but Mooney stated "I believe it was true anyway," but that one can't be used as evidence Kyle said it. People will believe what they want, I guess, but I think that this is insufficient evidence to condemn the guy. |
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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. WTF? Does anyone take them seriously? Most people believe he told the stories. I don't know anyone who believes either event happened. Who's "most people?" I am not going to believe he told the stories until I see or hear a record of him doing it. |
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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. View Quote And the Katrina story was not "told" till well after Kyle's death and Webb also used Jeremy Scahill as a source for his opinion piece with information that has been debunked to further his own agenda. |
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses.
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses. View Quote They stopped doing "confirmed" kills in Vietnam when they saw that the metric of "the body count" was being misused. A lot of Kyle's kills were confirmed by other people however, when it gets down to it, there really is no "official" count anymore and the number comes from him, for good or ill. |
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses. View Quote Confirmed kills aren't up to just the shooter saying, yeah I got 3 today |
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses. Confirmed kills aren't up to just the shooter saying, yeah I got 3 today Lawyers have screwed up everything they come in contact with. |
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Randolph Hearst would know. His newspapers ginned up the Spanish American War using the Maine explosion as the catalyst.
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And the Katrina story was not "told" till well after Kyle's death and Webb also used Jeremy Scahill as a source for his opinion piece with information that has been debunked to further his own agenda. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. And the Katrina story was not "told" till well after Kyle's death and Webb also used Jeremy Scahill as a source for his opinion piece with information that has been debunked to further his own agenda. So there's no direct evidence that he made either claim but there's no shortage of people claiming it's true. |
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Quoted: No dog in the fight either way on my part. Seems like a lot of heresay to me. "Someone told me Chris Kyle said X" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: No dog in the fight either way on my part. Seems like a lot of heresay to me. "Someone told me Chris Kyle said X" Doesn't surprise me. ETA: Just read Josh's post. Now I remember. |
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the book is a terrible read
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They aren't in his book. I don't know about anything at the Superdome but I think he mentioned the car jacker thing in some interview. I could be wrong about that. View Quote The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. |
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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. And the Katrina story was not "told" till well after Kyle's death and Webb also used Jeremy Scahill as a source for his opinion piece with information that has been debunked to further his own agenda. So there's no direct evidence that he made either claim but there's no shortage of people claiming it's true. Because someone else said it the story must be true seems to be the mantra. I'm not as familiar with the carjacking story but I called bullshit on the Katrina sniper story as soon as it was posted here. |
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The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They aren't in his book. I don't know about anything at the Superdome but I think he mentioned the car jacker thing in some interview. I could be wrong about that. The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. I'll post this so folks can see what was said about Katrina. http://sofrep.com/19314/american-snipers-engage-us-citizens-in-new-orleans-circa-2005/ The Long Shadow Of Katrina: Military Snipers Engaging U.S. Citizens? by Brandon Webb · April 15, 2013 · Posted In: Op-Ed In early 2012, I had an unexpected conversation with my friend Chris Kyle (author of American Sniper) about the Katrina debacle. I had heard rumblings about Special Operations snipers being deployed to New Orleans to support the effort to restore order. He confirmed the rumors and shared his own intimate knowledge that close contacts of his, many active duty Spec Ops snipers (some Navy SEALs), took leave to work for the controversial PMC (Private Military Company), Blackwater. Chris went on to tell me that the bulk of the guys he knew directly had racked up over thirty kills between them. I asked him about Rules of Engagement, and asked, “Who were they shooting at,” and he just gave me a big Texas shrug and smile. I figured out really quick that it was 180 grains of due process (usually to the head at 200M). We carried on with our own personal conversation on the morality of it all over many beers, and into the early San Diego morning. It clearly bothered him, and it still bothers me. It’s obviously a very uncomfortable topic. However, if we continue to ignore what really went down, history has taught us that it will come back and bite us in the ass. I personally don’t like repeating my mistakes: if I make a mistake, I learn from it, and move on. The Morality of It All In 2005, the most destructive hurricane, Katrina, struck the Atlantic coast. It would turn out to be one of the most costly natural disasters in U.S. history. A part of that cost is the unspoken toll on the American soul. This is what I want to focus on but it is the stuff a lot of people in Washington want to put under the bed and forget about. Many lessons learned have come out of the U.S. response to Katrina, but most of the expensive government studies have dealt with streamlining command structure and logistics. Apparently, nobody wants to tear off the scab and have a philosophical conversation about the morality of what really went down when Martial Law was declared. A quick search on Google relative to Katrina will bring up the New Orleans horror stories: racial profiling, murder, rape, police cover up, and rogue private military contractors a la Blackwater’s poor hiring practices (I’ve witnessed this first hand in Iraq). The morality of what went down when Martial Law was declared is an important topic of discussion that needs to discussed. Private Military Contractors (PMCs), police units, and military had an impossible job, no argument there. However, killing fellow American citizens with Iraq-style ROE, all in the name of restoring order, should be looked at and learned from. Unless, of course, we are ok with putting due process and the Constitution on the back burner in these situations. I personally would not like to continue down a path towards Oceania. Why wasn’t this a bigger deal in the media at the time? Because press coverage was extremely restricted, and limited as a result. So now all we are left with is rumor and a few courageous individuals who are slowly coming out of the shadows to tell the truth. Boots on the Ground Two weeks after returning from my contract work I was sent down with 19th SFG to the 4th Ward. We took over a school that had been abandoned and that’s where we set up shop for the next 29 days. They wouldn’t let us do 30 days because then they would have to pay us BAH. The first night we got there someone dumped an entire mag of AK-47 into some guy’s car, killing him. From there it was an all out s___ show. We operated with locked and loaded M4s and M9s with body armor, and in no way did I feel over dressed. While we only had one time when any of our vehicles were shot at, and we didn’t smoke anyone, we were the general law in the area. We would drive around, stop any person we felt needed to be stopped, search them and then move on. We entered any house we felt needed to be entered and searched it if needed. –US Army Special Forces Soldier Just spoke to one of my buddies. He was deployed with SWAT immediately after the storm and worked New Orleans for a month straight. Once the storm cleared, the massive crime spree began. Looting, robberies, shootings, rapes, etc. It was chaos. He remembers specifically running into what he thought were Army operators, he wasn’t sure if ODA team or Delta, but he said they were definitely Army SF and they were geared for war, even frag grenades for the 203 (gold tipped?). They were on their way to a hot area where gun fire was coming from a school building for days without ending. It ended after he heard they got there. He said he observed numerous personnel in non de script uniforms, private contractors for sure, but he did not see any SEALS, although I don’t think they would be operating in the open and his SWAT team was never attached with any government personnel. He did say on day 4 he ran into another Trooper who told him he heard the SEALS were there and had been doing some work off a bridge, but he did not have specifics, just rumor. He did see a lot of bodies with gun shot wounds, but in typical New Orleans tradition, no investigation to speak of. The rumors of SEALS being down there were floating around but no one from LSP SWAT saw or worked with any. Another friend who worked in the command post the entire time said he never saw any SEALS or SF, but after throwing out the scenario you mentioned, he said there were so many people whom everyone assumed were government “contractors.” They had no identifying characteristics and their “assignments,” unlike everyone else’s, were not run out of his command post. He did say there were a lot of bodies with unexplained gun shot wounds. Ones that were not already documented as NOPD or LSP shootings. Never were solved. –Anonymous NY State Police Officer who assisted in New Orleans In an hour-long conversation I had with four Blackwater men, they characterized their work in New Orleans as “securing neighborhoods” and “confronting criminals.” They all carried automatic assault weapons and had guns strapped to their legs. Their flak jackets were covered with pouches for extra ammunition. When asked what authority they were operating under, one guy said, “We’re on contract with the Department of Homeland Security.” Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, “He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary.” The man then held up the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck. Blackwater spokesperson Anne Duke also said the company has a letter from Louisiana officials authorizing its forces to carry loaded weapons. “This vigilantism demonstrates the utter breakdown of the government,” says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. “These private security forces have behaved brutally, with impunity, in Iraq. To have them now on the streets of New Orleans is frightening and possibly illegal.” -From a CBS report and column by Jeremy Schahill Rumors persisted while we were in New Orleans, things ranging from the crazy (some Cops were killed and skinned last night) to the lame (I hear we are here till Christmas). Like any deployment, we hated being in the rear. Every minute spent at the Naval Annex was another minute you could get screwed just for being there. One instance comes to mind, when the commanding general flew in and saw us practicing battle drills and glass houses. He freaked out and demanded that we tear that stuff down and don’t do it. Well, as soon as his bird took off we had those things set right back up. I was exposed to government agencies and it made me realize something, this was their “Iraq.” There were rumors of DEA, US Marshals and ATF getting into OIF style engagements. I personally didn’t see or hear of anything like that, but these dudes rolled around like it was Baghdad/Ramadi/Normandy. -82nd Airborne Soldier Conclusion Our goal at this point should not be about pointing fingers and conducting witch hunts. As a country, we should admit the errors that were made, and seek to learn from them. This will only come through intelligent discussion, not the usual polarized rhetoric. We need to realize that we’re all Americans, and that every one of us has a share and stake in what goes on in this country for better or worse. Let’s make a clear choice to learn not to make the same mistakes next time a disaster like this happens. Because there will be a next time, and I expect it will be sooner rather than later. ************ ETA: He released this story 2 months after Kyle was murdered. |
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FWIW, I can look out the window where I am sitting and see the super dome. I know a bunch of folks that provided direct support in New Orleans
In the first few days after Katrina. I know this is the friend of a friend thing but within probably two weeks following the hurricane, I was told of snipers at the super dome. Is it word of mouth? Yes... But it was said and I heard it. Did it really happen, who knows. Some believed it did and this was years before anyone ever heard of Chris Kyle. |
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He enjoyed being larger than life and I don't understand why some can't accept that it doesn't have anything at all to do with his performance in Iraq. There have been and always will be plenty of flawed heroes. Pappy Boyington was an alcoholic and supposedly utterly intolerable. I was talking to one of the docents at the USMC museum who also flew Hueys in Vietnam and his remark about Stephen Pless' drinking and death was "I don't understand it,but I've never had the pressure of being a hero either". Dakota Meyer was fired from BAE for behavior/alcohol problems...but honestly the list is near endless. Some people expect warriors to be saints and that is absolutely nothing but absurd. Do I think Kyle had a small issue with veracity? Yes but that's pretty much the Texan stereotype and I think anyone of decent sense can accept some tales with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean what he did on the battlefield is any less courageous and notable.Therefore is it really important if/that he told some fibs? No,not really. The sources of these were not liberals out to discredit him and really,if the movie had flopped liberals would not have cared one bit. On the other hand,even if these had never been brought about there would still be charges of mercilessly killing brown people for oil. In short,it's really not a big deal at all. Those who appreciate his contribution and legacy will continue to do so. Those who wouldn't will not. Those who understand that people are a bit more complex than a 1955 war movie and can fully understand that some actions have no reflection at all on heroism. Audie Murphy had problems with pills and gambling but it sure didn't make him any less of a hero. Nobody considers or cares about that now and in time nobody will care about the car jackers or the Jesse Ventura issue,that won't be what Chris Kyle is remembered by so it's best to let it go. |
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses. Confirmed kills aren't up to just the shooter saying, yeah I got 3 today Do tell. |
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Military fish tales. Big deal.
People who get worked up over this shit need to get out more.
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Quoted: The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They aren't in his book. I don't know about anything at the Superdome but I think he mentioned the car jacker thing in some interview. I could be wrong about that. The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. confirmed by Chris Kyle, but no record of the shooting exists. Chris Kyle had a habit of telling sea stories. That's fine when you are unknown but when you become famous and put famous people in your stories, people will fact check you. |
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Regardless of who started the Superdome rumor I have a hard time believing that story. An enlisted service man killing Americans on american soil? Yeah.... That didn't happen.
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They stopped doing "confirmed" kills in Vietnam when they saw that the metric of "the body count" was being misused. A lot of Kyle's kills were confirmed by other people however, when it gets down to it, there really is no "official" count anymore and the number comes from him, for good or ill. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has anyone other than Chris Kyle ever explained how the "kill count" was arrived at? Because it sounds a lot like Chris Kyle has a kill count because Chris Kyle said so. Not that he didn't kill some guys, but Hathcock had documentation and witnesses. They stopped doing "confirmed" kills in Vietnam when they saw that the metric of "the body count" was being misused. A lot of Kyle's kills were confirmed by other people however, when it gets down to it, there really is no "official" count anymore and the number comes from him, for good or ill. In 'nam they went for the "body count", but I don't think there was ever an official "confirmed sniper kills" count unless it was done specifically by the snipers themselves (Land, Hathcock, etc). I believe any sniper kill count has large error bars. Particularly anything involving Soviet snipers. |
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The carjacking story is in Luttrell's book. The NOLA story was told to Brandon Webb by Kyle and published on his website, then later removed. It's not a mystery, didn't take more than a couple of minutes to find. WTF? Does anyone take them seriously? How accurate was Luttrell's first book? |
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FWIW, I can look out the window where I am sitting and see the super dome. I know a bunch of folks that provided direct support in New OrleansIn the first few days after Katrina. I know this is the friend of a friend thing but within probably two weeks following the hurricane, I was told of snipers at the super dome. Is it word of mouth? Yes... But it was said and I heard it. Did it really happen, who knows. Some believed it did and this was years before anyone ever heard of Chris Kyle. View Quote Roughly only about 33 bodies with gun shot wounds were recovered in the days following Katrina. This included all the police shootings also. |
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They aren't in his book. I don't know about anything at the Superdome but I think he mentioned the car jacker thing in some interview. I could be wrong about that. The interview that I'm aware of goes on to say that Kyle didn't / wouldn't talk about the carjacking story, and then the reporter went on to say "but I'm convinced that it really did happen, even though he wouldn't talk about it." And then stuff seems to have sprung from that. http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/ confirmed by Chris Kyle, but no record of the shooting exists. Chris Kyle had a habit of telling sea stories. That's fine when you are unknown but when you become famous and put famous people in your stories, people will fact check you. Mike Mooney again, conveniently published after Kyle's death and he published another article where in the article he said Kyle wouldn't confirm it but "he believed it anyway." Mooney has two different accounts of his interview with Kyle that conflict each other. Not exactly clear and irrefutable evidence. Here is the article from April of that year where he said, "Before Kyle’s murder at the hands of a fellow veteran in February, I asked him about that story during an interview in his office last year, as part of what was supposed to be an extended, in-depth magazine story about his service and how hard he worked to adjust back to this world—to become the great husband and father and Christian he’d always wanted to be. He didn’t want to get into specifics about the gas station shooting, but I left that day believing it had happened." http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of-chris-kyle-01?single=1 |
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Reading the write up on the Superdome thing, CK doesn't seem to have made any claim that he himself was involved personally.
"Chris went on to tell me that the bulk of the guys he knew directly had racked up over thirty kills between them. I asked him about Rules of Engagement, and asked, “Who were they shooting at,” and he just gave me a big Texas shrug and smile. I figured out really quick that it was 180 grains of due process (usually to the head at 200M). ". So was he telling a whopper or just embellishing a story he was told? |
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3 drunk guys at 3am at a party, and 1 of the 3 says he dont remember..... "they said thats what he told them"
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None of these wild stories come from his book nor was he ever recorded saying any of those stories. To make it even more ridiculous the stories didn't appear until AFTER his death and only really became popular when the movie was about to be released.
Its most likely a case of someone trying to piggy back off of someone else fame The conversation probably went like those stupid Geico commercials. Guy 1 - "Hey did you know i once met Chris Kyle" Guy 2 - "Ok, cool, i dont really care..." Guy 1 - "Well did you know Chris Kyle went to Katrina to shoot looters!?! Guy 2 - "Seriously? thats so bad a$$, i bet he would do that." The stories being obviously untrue and completely fake then get spread around by Kyle haters trying to tarnish the reputation of War hero, something that some people feel is not worry of praise. |
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Mike Mooney again, conveniently published after Kyle's death and he published another article where in the article he said Kyle wouldn't confirm it but "he believed it anyway." Mooney has two different accounts of his interview with Kyle that conflict each other. Not exactly clear and irrefutable evidence. Here is the article from April of that year where he said, "Before Kyle’s murder at the hands of a fellow veteran in February, I asked him about that story during an interview in his office last year, as part of what was supposed to be an extended, in-depth magazine story about his service and how hard he worked to adjust back to this world—to become the great husband and father and Christian he’d always wanted to be. He didn’t want to get into specifics about the gas station shooting, but I left that day believing it had happened." http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/april/the-legend-of-chris-kyle-01?single=1 View Quote Frankly there is no proof of Kyle's "tall tails". There are claims that can't be verified. It isn't "a fact" he lied, as some here have claimed. Perhaps he did, but we have no way to verify unless something else comes out. |
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When hearsay helps Kyle, we should believe it. When hearsay makes Kyle look like a liar, we should not believe it. I think Kyle was a hero who had feet of clay. The problem is most people don't want heroes with feet of clay, so they use the system above to evaluate the stories that have come out about him. |
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