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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:35:20 PM EST
I carried one for years. A Mossberg 590. Other than shooting birds and locks there is really nothing they do better than an AR. They are easy to short stroke under stress. Easy to miss with, contrary to popular belief. They have a low capacity and are slow as shit to reload. Sure they deal some damage but overall they suck. Not to mention the black and blue shoulders from firing 100 plus slugs a day in training.
But…because I am an old(not too old) and sentimental bastard I think I am going to get a 590. Anyway, it will be cool to have one that doesn’t rattle like a steam engine.  Attached FileETA: don’t get too mad, I know I am pushing buttons. But mostly I really do mean it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t awesome. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:36:50 PM EST
[#1]
I love my shotguns, but don't really disagree.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:37:07 PM EST
[#2]
Just fire two shots....
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:41:19 PM EST
[#3]
Semi then?
A 1301 or similar with an extended mag is lot of ‘fuck you’ in close quarters. A supplement to the guys with AR’s or whatever, but a useful tool I’d think. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:41:25 PM EST
[#4]
Meat from bone
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:42:36 PM EST
[#5]
Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol will be my next firearm purchase.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:43:24 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol will be my next firearm purchase. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:43:54 PM EST
[#7]
Combat shotguns are awesome.
If you’re a bird ALL shotguns are combat. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:44:24 PM EST
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I think I'd rather be in a trench up against a rifle than my Vepr 12. That thing is devastating.
Chances that I'll be in that situation? Basically none so I'll stick to blasting clays with it. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:44:50 PM EST
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They fly under the radar of the media and gun hating politicians. If you were to use one to defend your home it won't look like your some military wannabe terrorist (according to the media)
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:46:20 PM EST
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I love my shotguns and want to point out how wrong you are in your statements, but unfortunately, everything you said is correct.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:46:28 PM EST
[#11]
Any shotgun with a blade attached to it is cool.
It makes people behave. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:46:36 PM EST
[#12]
They were popular during a time of trench warfare.
Different Era. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:47:11 PM EST
[#13]
20 GA Shockwave
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:47:15 PM EST
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:47:17 PM EST
[#15]
Quoted: I carried one for years. A Mossberg 590. Other than shooting birds and locks there is really nothing they do better than an AR. They are easy to short stroke under stress. Easy to miss with, contrary to popular belief. They have a low capacity and are slow as shit to reload. Sure they deal some damage but overall they suck. Not to mention the black and blue shoulders from firing 100 plus slugs a day in training. But…because I am an old(not too old) and sentimental bastard I think I am going to get a 590. Anyway, it will be cool to have one that doesn’t rattle like a steam engine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_8763_jpeg-3027889.JPG Try a 1301 or M4 |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:47:31 PM EST
[#16]
Yeah, but when you shoot someone they jump up in the air and fly through walls..
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:48:01 PM EST
[#17]
Buckshot does the job within its usefully range. A shotgun still has its uses.
 Man Gets Shot By Roxboro Police After Pointing a Shotgun at Officer |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:48:27 PM EST
[#18]
Can't argue with what the OP posted, but recently picked up a 590 Retrograde anyway.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:48:46 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like mine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol will be my next firearm purchase. He will too. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:48:56 PM EST
[#20]
Get both
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:49:15 PM EST
[#21]
Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:49:52 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try a 1301 or M4 Oh undoubtedly better for the first 7 or 8 rounds or whatever their capacity. But I had a 590…often with a bayonet. ETA…you guessed it, Marine Corps Security Forces. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:50:48 PM EST
[#23]
Neat , this is a new and novel discussion LOL
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:50:54 PM EST
[#24]
I had a chance to get a 1301 locally for a steal. I delayed/debated and missed out. Any other type of gun and I'd have still been kicking myself but I just don't need another slightly better shotgun than my fn slp to also sit and serve no purpose.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:50:59 PM EST
[#25]
They have their place, and my Langdon 1301 is actually quite fun to shoot.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:51:00 PM EST
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:51:47 PM EST
[#27]
Quoted: I carried one for years. A Mossberg 590. Other than shooting birds and locks there is really nothing they do better than an AR. They are easy to short stroke under stress. Easy to miss with, contrary to popular belief. They have a low capacity and are slow as shit to reload. Sure they deal some damage but overall they suck. Not to mention the black and blue shoulders from firing 100 plus slugs a day in training. But…because I am an old(not too old) and sentimental bastard I think I am going to get a 590. Anyway, it will be cool to have one that doesn’t rattle like a steam engine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_8763_jpeg-3027889.JPG Short stroking is eliminated with a proven semiautomatic design, but everything else is correct. A shotgun is good for a self defense situation where you are facing a limited number of attackers, at short range (but not too short because shotguns are long), and are not wearing body armor. In that situation I'd say they are equal to or perhaps superior to a rifle. In every other situation...nope. I still want an A300 for the cool factor though. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:51:55 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat , this is a new and novel discussion LOL I don’t remember starting a post about buying a 590, but maybe I have. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:52:20 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were popular during a time of trench warfare. Different Era. Ah yes, the bygone era of the trench. Like last Tuesday in Ukraine. Bring back the trench broom |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:53:25 PM EST
[#30]
in combat i agree, in close quarters home defense they have their place, in shif they are valuable on multi tasking
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:53:26 PM EST
[#31]
It's a niche weapon. And in its niche, nothing outperforms it.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:53:29 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah yes, the bygone era of the trench. Like last Tuesday in Ukraine. Bring back the trench broom Why not? They're using Nagants. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:53:46 PM EST
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:54:24 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Semi then? A 1301 or similar with an extended mag is lot of ‘fuck you’ in close quarters. A supplement to the guys with AR’s or whatever, but a useful tool I’d think. I've shot all sorts of firearms, all over the world, and the 1301 was the first time I legitimately wanted a shotgun. They are awesome. 
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:54:44 PM EST
[#35]
If I had to use/touch a shitfuck Mossberg, I'd hate shotguns too.
But I don't. So I dont. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:54:45 PM EST
[#36]
OK so this is one of those threads. It’s only good if it holds 500 rounds of 50 cal subsonic HP GAMC nuke infused exploding and tumbling into 9mm 115 grain round ball FMJ. Right. OK.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:55:11 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but when you shoot someone they jump up in the air and fly through walls.. That's why don't rely on my old 870 18" 12 ga. Wall repairs ain't cheap. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:55:50 PM EST
[#38]
Shotguns are fun, that’s good enough for me
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:56:34 PM EST
[#39]
Shotguns are fun but kinda agree with op. Would it be legal to mount my serbu shorty to an AR? ??
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:57:01 PM EST
[#40]
Why are you shooting them? All you have to do is rack them…..
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:57:18 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any shotgun with a blade attached to it is cool. It makes people behave.  Attached Filefew things are as pleasurable in the shooting world than wrecking shit with a fast semi or getting quick with a pump action 12 gauge |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:59:11 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK so this is one of those threads. It’s only good if it holds 500 rounds of 50 cal subsonic HP GAMC nuke infused exploding and tumbling into 9mm 115 grain round ball FMJ. Right. OK. I guess, maybe…of course I did, as I said, carry one and train with one extensively for years. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:59:48 PM EST
[#43]
At the end of the day, for me, I think I'd be more likely to grab my Benelli M4 than my AR to investigate a bump in the night.
Plus, from a legal standpoint, wouldn't it be easier to justify/explain one or two rounds of buckshot than 5, 8 or 10 pulls of the trigger on an AR to stop a threat? |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:00:21 PM EST
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I have an AOW that I think is a blast. It’s a hoot to shoot and gives me a grin every time I pull it out. Wouldn’t hesitate to pull it out for self defense. However. I’d prefer a few other options first. But I would know it would get the job done.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:00:30 PM EST
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Combat shotguns are effective. They may not be my number 1 choice, but they can be used effectively by someone properly trained.
Of course, internet cool guys would never want to be seen without an sbr in whatever the newest paint/ furniture color is. https://resources.mossberg.com/journal/the-mighty-590a1 I know Jeremy personally, he is a solid dude. I would take Jeremy with a shotgun in a gun fight over internet cool guys with a fancy camo sbr. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:00:31 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've shot all sorts of firearms, all over the world, and the 1301 was the first time I legitimately wanted a shotgun. They are awesome. Do it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:01:18 PM EST
[#47]
Tell the Germans that.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:02:35 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it. Get out of here with your real world experience. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:02:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've shot all sorts of firearms, all over the world, and the 1301 was the first time I legitimately wanted a shotgun. They are awesome. Do it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_4323_jpeg-3027941.JPG I already did. 
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:03:02 PM EST
[#50]
Inside a house a SBS shotgun is pretty damn awesome. But aside for that they are outdated weapons, give me a short AR...
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