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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:03:36 PM EST
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Since 1979... FUCK IRAN 
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:03:44 PM EST
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And the rhetoric is heating up, Iran is flapping it's gums and making threats again...
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:05:38 PM EST
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Writes "I do apologize for offending you" after making disparaging remarks on my family. Then claims he stands by what he posted. What a stand up guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Exactly. This is why Iran is currently trying to build nukes as rapidly as possible, and I don't blame them at all. It makes sense, don't you agree. That said, I do apologize for offending you, I honestly wish for nothing but peace. I want Israel to have its (current) borders, Syria to have its, and everyone be held to the same standard. What a stand up guy. Trying to Dave_A over something as laughably inconsequential as him referring to your family and, from what I can tell, doing the opposite of wishing them harm, is akin to liberals screeching "Muh Racism!!!" to stifle debate. As another poster astutely pointed out, you had him on the ropes right up until you posted that gay shit and hit the "Muh Feewings" button. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:08:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Israel at war with Syria? Because I know what the US reaction would be if another country penetrated our airspace and hit a target without a declaration of war... I think the last time someone did that was Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:13:58 PM EST
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Come on man, your faux outrage isn't going to result in anything and reporting what was said here was AROCK levels of faggotry. I know for a fact you're not that thin skinned. Trying to Dave_A over something as laughably inconsequential as him referring to your family and, from what I can tell, doing the opposite of wishing them harm, is akin to liberals screeching "Muh Racism!!!" to stifle debate. As another poster astutely pointed out, you had him on the ropes right up until you posted that gay shit and hit the "Muh Feewings" button. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:15:14 PM EST
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Is that "Iranian" drone the one that they took from us? The one that BHO "asked for it back?" |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:20:14 PM EST
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Whatever dude, you believe what you want. But shit talk my family I'll react the same way with you or anyone else. We could be discussing chili or exploding Glocks, as soon as someone disparages my family the conversation is going to change. It stops being debate, it turns into something personal. And I'm pretty sure that reason is why its not only a COC violation, but one site staff and mods do a good job enforcing, helping keeping things civil. Because if families are open, then that changes things immensely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:23:03 PM EST
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More to come. It appears Syria is actually going to start shooting back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rumors on Twitter that the hospitalized Israeli F-16 pilot/WSO has died of his injuries. I for one look forward to Israel kicking the living fuck out of Syria's shitlord military and their Iranian assfuck helpers. Maybe some Russians too. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:23:09 PM EST
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Big deal over just one plane . Israel is bombing Syria every other week, it's was matter of time to happen. Hey, I cant count how many planes Russians lost there.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:23:57 PM EST
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Israel has been bombing parts of Syria for years now, the only real development here is the Israeli's lost a jet.
Hope they're smart enough to avoid inflicting heavy Russkie casualties when retaliating. At this point all I can say is welcome to the club. Syria is a great place to get a fighter jet shot down. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:24:59 PM EST
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I’d rather my money go to Israel than Iran It makes me smile that my money goes to Israel, it should make you smile too Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Israel is allied with your tax dollars. Nothing more. Don’t be fooled. It makes me smile that my money goes to Israel, it should make you smile too 
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:25:41 PM EST
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Quoted: Exactly. This is why Iran is currently trying to build nukes as rapidly as possible, and I don't blame them at all. It makes sense, don't you agree. That said, I do apologize for offending you, I honestly wish for nothing but peace. I want Israel to have its (current) borders, Syria to have its, and everyone be held to the same standard. What a stand up guy. Trying to Dave_A over something as laughably inconsequential as him referring to your family and, from what I can tell, doing the opposite of wishing them harm, is akin to liberals screeching "Muh Racism!!!" to stifle debate. As another poster astutely pointed out, you had him on the ropes right up until you posted that gay shit and hit the "Muh Feewings" button. And I'm pretty sure that reason is why its not only a COC violation, but one site staff and mods do a good job enforcing, helping keeping things civil. Because if families are open, then that changes things immensely. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:28:40 PM EST
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I'm ready for Mid East War, and hoping that they get back to their size during Solomon's reign:
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:30:06 PM EST
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So they set a trap to shoot down one plane but the trade off is massive retaliation. That's a bold strategy Cotton. Israel doesn't fuck around, if they launch an attack whoever is on the other end is going to have a bad day. The Iranians and Hez don't have to win to win, all they have to do is bloody a nose here and there...think of 2006. Israel would be foolish to further take the bait and get drawn more into the quagmire there. Of course, under Netanyahu, that is very possible. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:32:40 PM EST
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Also today-
A Turkish helicopter was shot down as the country continued its offensive against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria. Two soldiers on board were killed, the Turkish military says |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:32:59 PM EST
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Israel releases pictures of what is says are remains of the Iranian drone that penetrated Israeli airspace from Syria |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:34:25 PM EST
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I'm ready for Mid East War, and hoping that they get back to their size during Solomon's reign: http://abrahams-legacy.org/images/solomon-kingdom-map.gif |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:36:18 PM EST
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Also today- A Turkish helicopter was shot down as the country continued its offensive against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria. Two soldiers on board were killed, the Turkish military says |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:36:40 PM EST
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Why the Golan Heights are ruthlessly defended by Israel should be blatantly evident by this pic, and why Syria/Hez would like it back.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:38:36 PM EST
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[Snip] That the plane went down in northern Israel prompted Amos Yadlin, a former Israeli air force general who once headed Israel's military intelligence, to speculate that "Syria may have used a long-range missile that Israel has been worried about." In an interview, he noted, "this means Israeli jets are exposed and vulnerable within Israeli borders. http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-syria-20180209-story.html |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:38:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever dude, you believe what you want. But shit talk my family I'll react the same way with you or anyone else. We could be discussing chili or exploding Glocks, as soon as someone disparages my family the conversation is going to change. It stops being debate, it turns into something personal. And I'm pretty sure that reason is why its not only a COC violation, but one site staff and mods do a good job enforcing, helping keeping things civil. Because if families are open, then that changes things immensely. I've had people openly threaten me, people posting in this very thread, and others calling for violence against me and my family. Also that I lose my job. Didn't hit report. Personally hoped for said violence because I know I can whip their ass. Exchanged names and address of a place to discuss our differences with one guy who never showed at the agreed upon meeting spot. Now if someone had said that they wished Ill on your family, or even you, I'd be in your corner on this one, but the fact is that he didn't do anything of the sort. It was weaksauce that you went the route you did with it. I expect better out of someone with the extreme knowledge and factual argument style you possess and I was laughing with delight at the way you were taking him apart up until that moment. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:40:39 PM EST
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Israel is allied with your tax dollars. Nothing more. Don’t be fooled. They got power, they got weapons, ya. You Think it Better to give it to Iran or NKorea like we did for years, fuck dude turn the light on in yer fuckin head! Before somebody calls you an idiot. 
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:48:37 PM EST
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What he said wasn't a coc violation. Steinhab, I wish the best for you and your family as well and hope you have a long life and great health. Gonna report me for that too? He said that he didn't want a war with Russia because his and your family might be threatened, or at least that's how I read it. I've had people openly threaten me, people posting in this very thread, and others calling for violence against me and my family. Also that I lose my job. Didn't hit report. Personally hoped for said violence because I know I can whip their ass. Exchanged names and address of a place to discuss our differences with one guy who never showed at the agreed upon meeting spot. Now if someone had said that they wished Ill on your family, or even you, I'd be in your corner on this one, but the fact is that he didn't do anything of the sort. It was weaksauce that you went the route you did with it. I expect better out of someone with the extreme knowledge and factual argument style you possess and I was laughing with delight at the way you were taking him apart up until that moment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Whatever dude, you believe what you want. But shit talk my family I'll react the same way with you or anyone else. We could be discussing chili or exploding Glocks, as soon as someone disparages my family the conversation is going to change. It stops being debate, it turns into something personal. And I'm pretty sure that reason is why its not only a COC violation, but one site staff and mods do a good job enforcing, helping keeping things civil. Because if families are open, then that changes things immensely. I've had people openly threaten me, people posting in this very thread, and others calling for violence against me and my family. Also that I lose my job. Didn't hit report. Personally hoped for said violence because I know I can whip their ass. Exchanged names and address of a place to discuss our differences with one guy who never showed at the agreed upon meeting spot. Now if someone had said that they wished Ill on your family, or even you, I'd be in your corner on this one, but the fact is that he didn't do anything of the sort. It was weaksauce that you went the route you did with it. I expect better out of someone with the extreme knowledge and factual argument style you possess and I was laughing with delight at the way you were taking him apart up until that moment. Quoted:
Lets find out. Ba'athist ideology was spawned by an adoration of Nazi Germany. The Ba'ath Party was National Socialism, but for Arabs not Germans. @bland85 Do you still support Assad as the rightful ruler of Syria? Yes or No Posted By Bland85: When did you stop beating your wife? Two out of three? |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:49:48 PM EST
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Quote Historysteinhab: Syrians see themselves first and foremost as tribes. Americans see clean shaven Assad, hot wife, hear no hijab are mandatory, think he can be our semitic Pinochet. But Assad is Alawite, 12'er Shia, minority ethnic group. And hes a key leader of a tribe, and his govt is largely filled with members of that tribe and Alawites and some Christians who typically side with Shia over Sunni when ut comes to Syria (little guys stick together). Quote Historysteinhab: Syrians see themselves first and foremost as tribes. Americans see clean shaven Assad, hot wife, hear no hijab are mandatory, think he can be our semitic Pinochet. But Assad is Alawite, 12'er Shia, minority ethnic group. And hes a key leader of a tribe, and his govt is largely filled with members of that tribe and Alawites and some Christians who typically side with Shia over Sunni when ut comes to Syria (little guys stick together). People don't think steinhab be like he is, but he do. Bland85: I have no idea how anyone can be pro-US intervention in the Middle East, at all.
Neither the Obama style intervention or the Bush style intervention works, and has made the place worse. All we got is trillions more in debt, and a couple thousand dead Americans, and several hundred thousand more wounded. No thanks, no more wars, not in the Middle East. Smithy: The intervention I am thinking of comes from the sky and does not involve troops on the ground.  I would like to see the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds hold a congress to work out a constitution amongst themselves, let the Sunni Arab parts of Syria go to Jordan or Iraq, and let the western portion of Syria be its own country. . Had the chance to reclaim the land (Morrocco to Syria, Serbia to Thrace, and most of Anatolia) for Christendom in the eighteen and nineteen hundreds, but brother wars and great games were more important to the Europeans. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 1:53:22 PM EST
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I have several buddies over there one who I heard from in Lebanon early this am. It was like an hour after they shot down the f16 and he said it’s bad right now. Worst he has seen in years.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:01:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know man, that one seemed pretty over the top to me. As did the "you're going to get your family killed/make them suffer/whatever" version. Two out of three? But the question "when did you stop beating your wife?" is a question with no good answer. That question isn't really about wife beating. It's a literally tool to draw attention to question that has no safe answers. I've heard it used before. It's not a coc violation. The actual coc violation should be him and his Russian pal herr professor or whatever purposefully injecting edgy political rhetoric into every topic loosely involving middle East policy on ar15.com. They've derailed 3+threads in nearly as many days with their bizarre tangents. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:08:07 PM EST
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@Turboguy
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:09:34 PM EST
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Good. I for one look forward to Israel kicking the living fuck out of Syria's shitlord military and their Iranian assfuck helpers. Maybe some Russians too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rumors on Twitter that the hospitalized Israeli F-16 pilot/WSO has died of his injuries. I for one look forward to Israel kicking the living fuck out of Syria's shitlord military and their Iranian assfuck helpers. Maybe some Russians too. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:11:27 PM EST
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I don't know man, that one seemed pretty over the top to me. As did the "you're going to get your family killed/make them suffer/whatever" version. Two out of three? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lets find out. Ba'athist ideology was spawned by an adoration of Nazi Germany. The Ba'ath Party was National Socialism, but for Arabs not Germans. @bland85 Do you still support Assad as the rightful ruler of Syria? Yes or No Posted By Bland85: When did you stop beating your wife? Two out of three? |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:11:40 PM EST
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Also today- A Turkish helicopter was shot down as the country continued its offensive against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria. Two soldiers on board were killed, the Turkish military says |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:18:34 PM EST
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:22:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent news. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:24:33 PM EST
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:29:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d rather my money go to Israel than Iran It makes me smile that my money goes to Israel, it should make you smile too 
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:29:41 PM EST
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Threads like this are good at outing our closet 88ers. I never understood the Jew hate. Why do 88ers hate them so much? |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:31:10 PM EST
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Fruits of our modern 'education system'. Reinforced by media. They know so many things that just aren't true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Threads like this are good at outing our closet 88ers. I never understood the Jew hate. Why do 88ers hate them so much? |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:32:26 PM EST
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Pretty much everyone that wants to see Israel destroyed also wants to see America destroyed.
I'm OK with the Israelis killing as many as it takes to keep either of those endgames from happening. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:33:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A significant enough amount of American citizens, largely of Protestant religion, think much differently than you, which is why despite your hatred of them you're just going to have to suck it up. Bet money the retort you have planned involved Jewish lobbyists. Seriously though, most American Protestants also think Joel Osteen is legit and sound theology. Most Americans voted for Hillary Clinton. If you’re basis for right or wrong is what the majority of people are doing then you’re not worth my time. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:35:18 PM EST
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Why the Golan Heights are ruthlessly defended by Israel should be blatantly evident by this pic, and why Syria/Hez would like it back. http://israelseen.com/shows/2016/04/iu.png No strategic reason to give that up. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:35:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's amazing that you have no similar response for Iran or Syria. Your Muslim brothers just received billions from Obama and still kill/kidnap/mutilate Americans. Show us where on the doll where Israel touched you. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:35:49 PM EST
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While I have no particular desire to defend Bland85, "When did you stop beating your wife?" is a widely known example of a leading question; so much so that it appears in the Wikipedia article on the subject. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lets find out. Ba'athist ideology was spawned by an adoration of Nazi Germany. The Ba'ath Party was National Socialism, but for Arabs not Germans. @bland85 Do you still support Assad as the rightful ruler of Syria? Yes or No Posted By Bland85: When did you stop beating your wife? Two out of three? |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:39:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah i've beeb there and seen it. No strategic reason to give that up. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:40:42 PM EST
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Jesus god Mary mother of all fuckers, wtf is wrong with some of you people, so the fuck what? They got power, they got weapons, ya. You Think it Better to give it to Iran or NKorea like we did for years, fuck dude turn the light on in yer fuckin head! Before somebody calls you an idiot. I don’t want to be cucked by any country that hates America. That goes for Israel, Iran, NK, the UK, France, Germany, Mexico, etc. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:40:42 PM EST
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When has Syria killed/kidnapped/mutilated Americans? Because after listening to a survivor of the USS Liberty attack at my church recently I can tell you exactly when Israel did killed and mutilated Americans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:44:52 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that MK262 holds the opposite hopes given hiw he always seems to be towing the Iranian line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rumors on Twitter that the hospitalized Israeli F-16 pilot/WSO has died of his injuries. I for one look forward to Israel kicking the living fuck out of Syria's shitlord military and their Iranian assfuck helpers. Maybe some Russians too. There is only one functional country over there and that is precisely why the rest of the Middle East hates them so much. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:45:43 PM EST
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Just as true today as it was when President Washington issued this warning.
"In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest." |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:47:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When has Syria killed/kidnapped/mutilated Americans? Because after listening to a survivor of the USS Liberty attack at my church recently I can tell you exactly when Israel did killed and mutilated Americans. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:57:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Israel at war with Syria? Because I know what the US reaction would be if another country penetrated our airspace and hit a target without a declaration of war... I think the last time someone did that was Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 2:58:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryFLchuck8:Morons. "
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Posted: 2/10/2018 3:03:54 PM EST
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Pretty much everyone that wants to see Israel destroyed also wants to see America destroyed. I'm OK with the Israelis killing as many as it takes to keep either of those endgames from happening. I do not live in Israel; therefore, I do not give a fuck if it gets destroyed. The same goes for most of the rest of the world. |
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