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The Police Officers aren't to blame. They're just government employees hired to do a job. Their employers, hire, recruit, and train them. They aren't really hired to "think" about the laws they enforce. In fact, just like most people in the general population, they are conditioned and indoctrinated not to even see what they do as violence. I think the video is a good thing. It tends to keep people in check. View Quote |
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I gotta tell ya'll I haven't seen a roadblock for any reason other then a traffic accident in 23 years. Where the fuck do you people find this drama? View Quote 4.5 mi from my home, multiple times, returning from pistol matches 0.6 mi from my home, returning from dirt bike riding 1.5 mi from my home, returning from Home Depot and gassing up ~50 mi from my home, on a motorcycle ride, multiple times hundreds of miles from my home, going to/from pistol and/or 3 gun matches in Arizona hundreds of miles from my home, returning north from southern California |
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4.5 mi from my home, multiple times, returning from pistol matches 0.6 mi from my home, returning from dirt bike riding 1.5 mi from my home, returning from Home Depot and gassing up ~50 mi from my home, on a motorcycle ride, multiple times hundreds of miles from my home, going to/from pistol and/or 3 gun matches in Arizona hundreds of miles from my home, returning north from southern California View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I gotta tell ya'll I haven't seen a roadblock for any reason other then a traffic accident in 23 years. Where the fuck do you people find this drama? 4.5 mi from my home, multiple times, returning from pistol matches 0.6 mi from my home, returning from dirt bike riding 1.5 mi from my home, returning from Home Depot and gassing up ~50 mi from my home, on a motorcycle ride, multiple times hundreds of miles from my home, going to/from pistol and/or 3 gun matches in Arizona hundreds of miles from my home, returning north from southern California Vegas, all over near home.. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a wonderful thing. Everybody should assert their rights. It's none of your business where I'm coming from or where I'm going. I stopped a guy the other day for a minor equipment violation, brake light out. Explained to the gentleman why I stopped him and per policy I couldn't simply release him with a verbal warning, that I would have to write him a written warning. Well after I got finished and handed him his warning, I politely asked him where he was going. He politely told me he didn't wish to answer any questions and asked if he was free to leave. I told him yes, and watched as he made a left turn onto a road that's about 15 miles long on an island with no side streets that was closed at the 14mile point because of a bad accident Troopers were working. Could have saved the guy 30 minutes as well as some gas mileage. All well Just so I understand right .. the man exercised his rights and you pulled a pussy passive-aggressive in response? I guess he should be thankful you didn't shoot his dog. Um, he didn't know where he was headed until after he drove away? Sure he did, read it again. This is a couple of pages back, but what the hell: Officer: where you headed? Driver: Nunya. Officer: OK Driver: Am I free to go? Officer: Sure. Driver: drives away turns left onto what is now effectively a dead end Officer: Shrug & smirk How was the officer supposed to tell the driver it was a dead end after the driver had driven away? |
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In watching the videos it seems strange the person recording would say "no questions" when asked questions and then ask the cop questions and expect an answer.
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Quoted: Film me all you want, knock yourself out. Interfere in my traffic stop or scene, and we'll have a chat. Simple really. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: In for the "you can film me but don't get in my way" butthurt. Film me all you want, knock yourself out. Interfere in my traffic stop or scene, and we'll have a chat. Simple really. For some cops, filming = interference. Or so it often seems to me. |
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no they train to make asses of themselves whilst trying to provoke a confrontation with people to film the results and act like they are a victim View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So they train to make you break the law or violate someones rights? no they train to make asses of themselves whilst trying to provoke a confrontation with people to film the results and act like they are a victim And why does that even matter again? Why do cops care if someone is making an ass out of themselves and trying to provoke a confrontation? I know the vast majority of cops have enough training and experience to see the situation for what it is and correctly respond. Granted, there are people that solely go out to troll cops. However, there are cops that double down and enforce their will on persons that question the legality of the officer's orders. Then we get videos of people being dragged out of cars because the officer didn't like the citizen's attitude. There has been a breakdown of trust between LEO and citizen. There was a time when the people trusted the LEO to know the law and not make egregious errors. That trust has been eroding away and now people are going to play "gotcha" with LEOs. That attitude is now reinforced when LEO's overstep their legal authority. The most visible instance where that can occur is checkpoints. People are starting to feel a need to protect themselves from the actions of LEOs and that is not good for anyone. Much of this could have been avoided or attenuated if the LEO community would have publicly made an example out any officers that acted illegally. There have been instances where this has occurred; I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. It needs to happen more often and with severe repercussions to show the local communities that LEOs will not tolerate those in their ranks that betray the trust and faith placed on them. |
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While I dont agree with people deliberately looking for trouble w my brothers just to try to make US look like asshats and idiots, I do agree that things need to be kept in check. Just dont go off trying to intentionally piss US off though..... View Quote Out of curiosity, what would be some examples of "intentionally trying to piss us off"? Serious question. |
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This is a couple of pages back, but what the hell: Officer: where you headed? Driver: Nunya. Officer: OK Driver: Am I free to go? Officer: Sure, the road ahead on the left had an accident and I don't know if it's cleared up or not. Driver: Oh, thanks. Well hopefully it's finished by the time I get there. Officer: Ok. Have a nice day. Driver: You too officer. How was the officer supposed to tell the driver it was a dead end after the driver had driven away? View Quote Really? Is that hard at all? Worst case the driver just rolls up the window and drives off. |
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Do not presume to know what the person expects. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In watching the videos it seems strange the person recording would say "no questions" when asked questions and then ask the cop questions and expect an answer. Do not presume to know what the person expects. Well if your asking a question, would you expect and answer? |
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So, you are an ...... If you were a considerate guy, you would have volunteered that info to him, saved him hassle and save congestion at the accident scene. But since he disrespected your authority by reasonably assuming you,were justjust going fishing or flexing your badge which is what cops are doing 99.99999% of the time when they askwhere you are going, you kept that helpful info to yourself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is a wonderful thing. Everybody should assert their rights. It's none of your business where I'm coming from or where I'm going. I stopped a guy the other day for a minor equipment violation, brake light out. Explained to the gentleman why I stopped him and per policy I couldn't simply release him with a verbal warning, that I would have to write him a written warning. Well after I got finished and handed him his warning, I politely asked him where he was going. He politely told me he didn't wish to answer any questions and asked if he was free to leave. I told him yes, and watched as he made a left turn onto a road that's about 15 miles long on an island with no side streets that was closed at the 14mile point because of a bad accident Troopers were working. Could have saved the guy 30 minutes as well as some gas. All well So, you are an ...... If you were a considerate guy, you would have volunteered that info to him, saved him hassle and save congestion at the accident scene. But since he disrespected your authority by reasonably assuming you,were justjust going fishing or flexing your badge which is what cops are doing 99.99999% of the time when they askwhere you are going, you kept that helpful info to yourself. |
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4.5 mi from my home, multiple times, returning from pistol matches 0.6 mi from my home, returning from dirt bike riding 1.5 mi from my home, returning from Home Depot and gassing up ~50 mi from my home, on a motorcycle ride, multiple times hundreds of miles from my home, going to/from pistol and/or 3 gun matches in Arizona hundreds of miles from my home, returning north from southern California View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I gotta tell ya'll I haven't seen a roadblock for any reason other then a traffic accident in 23 years. Where the fuck do you people find this drama? 4.5 mi from my home, multiple times, returning from pistol matches 0.6 mi from my home, returning from dirt bike riding 1.5 mi from my home, returning from Home Depot and gassing up ~50 mi from my home, on a motorcycle ride, multiple times hundreds of miles from my home, going to/from pistol and/or 3 gun matches in Arizona hundreds of miles from my home, returning north from southern California Hell of a commute from Syria. |
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In watching the videos it seems strange the person recording would say "no questions" when asked questions and then ask the cop questions and expect an answer. Do not presume to know what the person expects. I know somone seeking a confrontation when I see one and I've never worn a uniform in my life. It's pretty damn obvious you have too much free time alone in that basement. |
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Quoted: Fuuuuuuuck. I hate road blocks. I hate them with all of my being. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes I have never seen one. |
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. |
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No. And I expect some questions not to be answered, such as, "Why are you detaining me?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well if your asking a question, would you expect and answer? No. And I expect some questions not to be answered, such as, "Why are you detaining me?" So, if you ask questions and don't expect answers, why are you asking them in the first place? Playing up the drama for the camera obviously. |
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Quoted: Curfew? Jesus Christ. What kind of progressive shithole have you created/decided to work in? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you ever asked a cop why he asks that question? Why does a cop ask that question? Lots of reasons. 1. I'm looking for drunks and I want him talking to see if he is slurring his speach. 2. I saw him leave a drug dealers house and I want to see if he is going to tell me the truth or tell me a lie. 3. He was driving the wrong way on one way so he's probably a lost tourist and I want to get him back to his hotel before he causes an accident (my AO can be tough to navigate due to lots of one way streets and streets that intersect like spagetti soup). 4. its a juvenile after curfew and the words I want to hear are I'm on my way home or taking my friend home. Curfew? Jesus Christ. What kind of progressive shithole have you created/decided to work in? |
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No. And I expect some questions not to be answered, such as, "Why are you detaining me?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well if your asking a question, would you expect and answer? No. And I expect some questions not to be answered, such as, "Why are you detaining me?" So your not so much against expectations, your more anti-communication. |
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. Yup. WI doesn't allow them and some people go nuts over them. |
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There are places, like Michigan, with a graduated driver's license that has a curfew for driving. Many cities also have curfews for teens. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you ever asked a cop why he asks that question? Why does a cop ask that question? Lots of reasons. 1. I'm looking for drunks and I want him talking to see if he is slurring his speach. 2. I saw him leave a drug dealers house and I want to see if he is going to tell me the truth or tell me a lie. 3. He was driving the wrong way on one way so he's probably a lost tourist and I want to get him back to his hotel before he causes an accident (my AO can be tough to navigate due to lots of one way streets and streets that intersect like spagetti soup). 4. its a juvenile after curfew and the words I want to hear are I'm on my way home or taking my friend home. Curfew? Jesus Christ. What kind of progressive shithole have you created/decided to work in? We have one here, 11pm for teens. There is some sort of "school hours" curfew as well. . I'm pretty sure that graduated driver's license thing is Texas law too. |
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. View Quote So even if they are illegal, it's ok for the cops to run them and not ok for "citizens" to tell them they are illegal? With that logic, it was also ok for the cop at the range to tell me that if I did not have a "Class 3 license" (his words) and had a suppressor, he would arrest me because it is otherwise illegal to own one? Even though I tried to explain to him that what he said was incorrect? |
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So even if they are illegal, it's ok for the cops to run them and not ok for "citizens" to tell them they are illegal? With that logic, it was also ok for the cop at the range to tell me that if I did not have a "Class 3 license" (his words) and had a suppressor, he would arrest me because it is otherwise illegal to own one? Even though I tried to explain to him that what he said was incorrect? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. So even if they are illegal, it's ok for the cops to run them and not ok for "citizens" to tell them they are illegal? With that logic, it was also ok for the cop at the range to tell me that if I did not have a "Class 3 license" (his words) and had a suppressor, he would arrest me because it is otherwise illegal to own one? Even though I tried to explain to him that what he said was incorrect? The guys foaming at the mouth have never seen one. Don't know what one would look like in the first place and have not a fucking clue about the supreme court decisions on the matter. It's all OMG!!! POLICE STATE!!! bullshit. Just "look at me" drama. |
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Quoted: You know what'll really change people's minds about cops? A funny wink from a cop after some nonsense about good cops and bad cops. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ever hear of internal affairs??? Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. That's adorable. Really. You know what'll really change people's minds about cops? A funny wink from a cop after some nonsense about good cops and bad cops. |
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The guys foaming at the mouth have never seen one. Don't know what one would look like in the first place and have not a fucking clue about the supreme court decisions on the matter. It's all OMG!!! POLICE STATE!!! bullshit. Just "look at me" drama. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. So even if they are illegal, it's ok for the cops to run them and not ok for "citizens" to tell them they are illegal? With that logic, it was also ok for the cop at the range to tell me that if I did not have a "Class 3 license" (his words) and had a suppressor, he would arrest me because it is otherwise illegal to own one? Even though I tried to explain to him that what he said was incorrect? The guys foaming at the mouth have never seen one. Don't know what one would look like in the first place and have not a fucking clue about the supreme court decisions on the matter. It's all OMG!!! POLICE STATE!!! bullshit. Just "look at me" drama. But ... they're still ok in your book to run them in your state, even though they are illegal? That's what I'm asking. FWIW, I've never encountered one, and honestly don't know what I would do if I did. Not a mouth-foamer here, but really am concerned with the way it seems that our rights seem to be eroding away, little by little. |
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But ... they're still ok in your book to run them in your state, even though they are illegal? That's what I'm asking. FWIW, I've never encountered one, and honestly don't know what I would do if I did. Not a mouth-foamer here, but really am concerned with the way it seems that our rights seem to be eroding away, little by little. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Roadblocks is one of those things the nutter types seem to trigger on. Even in this state, where they are illegal under state law, you'll get guys foaming at the mouth about them. Just an emotional Pavlovian response, nothing more. So even if they are illegal, it's ok for the cops to run them and not ok for "citizens" to tell them they are illegal? With that logic, it was also ok for the cop at the range to tell me that if I did not have a "Class 3 license" (his words) and had a suppressor, he would arrest me because it is otherwise illegal to own one? Even though I tried to explain to him that what he said was incorrect? The guys foaming at the mouth have never seen one. Don't know what one would look like in the first place and have not a fucking clue about the supreme court decisions on the matter. It's all OMG!!! POLICE STATE!!! bullshit. Just "look at me" drama. But ... they're still ok in your book to run them in your state, even though they are illegal? That's what I'm asking. FWIW, I've never encountered one, and honestly don't know what I would do if I did. Not a mouth-foamer here, but really am concerned with the way it seems that our rights seem to be eroding away, little by little. They are not done here. I'm not really sure what you are asking? I would not be okay with it if they somehow ignored the law. |
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Yes please. I'm really broken up over here. I don't know if I can bear it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No one could change your mind by saying anything. Give it a rest. You sound like a petulant child that had his feelings hurt. Do you need a tissue or someone to wipe your nose? Yes please. I'm really broken up over here. I don't know if I can bear it. ' Well, it's nice to see you admitting that you have a problem. |
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William Binney would probably know a police state when he saw one.
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For some cops, filming = interference. Or so it often seems to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In for the "you can film me but don't get in my way" butthurt. Film me all you want, knock yourself out. Interfere in my traffic stop or scene, and we'll have a chat. Simple really. For some cops, filming = interference. Or so it often seems to me. Filming from an out of the way position is OK. If you move close enough to distract the officer that isn't OK. The officer has his attention focused on the driverfor his safety. If you distract him or start trying to talk to him you will be obstructing. It really isn't a hard concept. |
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They are not done here. I'm not really sure what you are asking? I would not be okay with it if they somehow ignored the law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But ... they're still ok in your book to run them in your state, even though they are illegal? That's what I'm asking. FWIW, I've never encountered one, and honestly don't know what I would do if I did. Not a mouth-foamer here, but really am concerned with the way it seems that our rights seem to be eroding away, little by little. They are not done here. I'm not really sure what you are asking? I would not be okay with it if they somehow ignored the law. That's what I was asking. |
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There are idiots on both sides of this. I've always been polite at stops and not had a problem.
Most police are good people but some don't understand their own powers and think not jumping when they say jump is illegal. |
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There are idiots on both sides of this. I've always been polite at stops and not had a problem. Most police are good people but some don't understand their own powers and think not jumping when they say jump is illegal. View Quote Everyone pretty much answers to bosses. Policy is set at the top. |
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Yeah. OK. I'm sure that's why cops ask questions like "where are you going?" So they can be helpful and tell the fine motorist about some issue up the road. http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is a wonderful thing. Everybody should assert their rights. It's none of your business where I'm coming from or where I'm going. I stopped a guy the other day for a minor equipment violation, brake light out. Explained to the gentleman why I stopped him and per policy I couldn't simply release him with a verbal warning, that I would have to write him a written warning. Well after I got finished and handed him his warning, I politely asked him where he was going. He politely told me he didn't wish to answer any questions and asked if he was free to leave. I told him yes, and watched as he made a left turn onto a road that's about 15 miles long on an island with no side streets that was closed at the 14mile point because of a bad accident Troopers were working. Could have saved the guy 30 minutes as well as some gas. All well Yeah. OK. I'm sure that's why cops ask questions like "where are you going?" So they can be helpful and tell the fine motorist about some issue up the road. http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif You got me |
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Yes please. I'm really broken up over here. I don't know if I can bear it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No one could change your mind by saying anything. Give it a rest. You sound like a petulant child that had his feelings hurt. Do you need a tissue or someone to wipe your nose? Yes please. I'm really broken up over here. I don't know if I can bear it. You should really just walk away from this one. |
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No, it's pretty much exactly what I originally said. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You do know 911 comes back to an actual phone # right? 70% of the domestic disputes that is the same excuses they always give. I always love it when I do a call back and their phone rings. As for the enlightening part, I'm not going to waste my time trying. Seems you have it all figured out. When you're told, as they're leaving, that they're going door to door because the system is generating false calls... Calling back could have saved a lot of time. I feel bad for the guys at the end of the street who actually called, though. Well that really sounds a lot different than your original claim. No, it's pretty much exactly what I originally said. No this time around the officers told you that 911 system was down but a call was coming in from your street. They were checking each residence because they were trying to locate a DV in the area. Your first post made it sound like the cops were just showing up at your door and ordered to speak to everyone over a 911 call. |
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This is a couple of pages back, but what the hell: Officer: where you headed? Driver: Nunya. Officer: OK Driver: Am I free to go? Officer: Sure. Driver: drives away turns left onto what is now effectively a dead end Officer: Shrug & smirk How was the officer supposed to tell the driver it was a dead end after the driver had driven away? This!!! Only a small percentage of the badges in this thread are known JBT's. But they JBT's have certainly been out retarded by the cop haters this time. |
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So far I have yet to be shown how taping someone in full public view obstructs them from doing anything. It aint physics and you aint Heisenberg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm videotaping, so I can obstruct and distract you, and encourage the guy being arrested to "kick your ass", and block traffic, and push officers off the guy being arrested. Right? So far I have yet to be shown how taping someone in full public view obstructs them from doing anything. It aint physics and you aint Heisenberg Can I be uncertain? |
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Call? It was calls. Dozens of them, apparently. From every house in the area. There was no DV or actual call for that matter. So essentially they did just show up at the door and demand to speak to everyone. Why are you so hung up on this particular incident that you feel the need to invent things that didn't happen? And miss out on being called a petulant child by government employees? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You should really just walk away from this one. And miss out on being called a petulant child by government employees? It's that you seem to embellish things. Your a drama queen. When everyone of your dealings with the popo end up ugly there is a common denominator. You. I find it amazing that there are 100s of 1000s of people who deal with police every day without issues. But with you, it is different. I wonder why. I was a complete hellion until I joined the military and some while enlisted for 6 yrs. Funny though I never had any negative dealings with cops. |
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Contempt of cop doesn't go well for 84-year jaywalker in NYC.
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