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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:18:03 AM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:19:45 AM EST
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Fire the cop & prosecute him for Attempted Manslaughter or Aggravated Battery. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:19:49 AM EST
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Negligent Discharge. I'm calling it. Well, he fired 3 times. That's awfully negligent Eta: I suppose it could be a select fire variant as pointed out, that would explain the single hit to a leg. Everyone is always wondering why the cops don't shoot people in the leg though. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:21:48 AM EST
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Out them to who? You make it sound like the higher ups don't know who the shitbirds are. Every cop I ever worked with who got fired and/or arrested was a known disaster that the admin/brass/IA refused to do anything about for years even after dozens of complaints from fellow officers. ETA: Perfect example is Joe Trimboli's IA investigation of Michael Dowd years ago and how the brass blocked him from doing anything even through they knew Dowd was a dirty cop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys need to start outing the the known bad ones, there's no brotherhood when they keep dragging the good ones down the drain. Out them to who? You make it sound like the higher ups don't know who the shitbirds are. Every cop I ever worked with who got fired and/or arrested was a known disaster that the admin/brass/IA refused to do anything about for years even after dozens of complaints from fellow officers. ETA: Perfect example is Joe Trimboli's IA investigation of Michael Dowd years ago and how the brass blocked him from doing anything even through they knew Dowd was a dirty cop. You honestly couldn't repeat this enough. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:23:54 AM EST
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I want full unedited video without bullshit, local news assclowns trying to set the scene.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:24:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, his lawyer can surely find quite a few people who can testify that the moment of getting shot felt like a mosquito bite, a bee sting, a hot sensation, a punch, but then testify to the pain that follows once the shock wears off, and the lengthy, and often only partial, recovery process. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: His lawyer must be cringing when the guy says the shot was "like a mosquito bite" Although these days I suppose they are going to write you a big check to not get the community whipped up into a frenzyMeh, his lawyer can surely find quite a few people who can testify that the moment of getting shot felt like a mosquito bite, a bee sting, a hot sensation, a punch, but then testify to the pain that follows once the shock wears off, and the lengthy, and often only partial, recovery process. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:24:29 AM EST
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Is the department issued select fire rifles?
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:24:36 AM EST
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no intent How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:25:32 AM EST
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call me suspicious....but why does the video cut out while the guy is compliant, and then cut back after he is shot?  because they arent going to show bullet impacts in general TV Einstein. This isnt live leak. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:26:47 AM EST
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How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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no intent How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? It happens all the time, unfortunately. It's one definition of a negligent discharge. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:27:06 AM EST
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with a report of a suicidal guy with a gun, yes there is reason to have your gun out. no, no one should have been shot in the video before or after the video was cut out. of course no one was shot in those parts of the video Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The video of the shooting itself is likely missing because it is graphic. I don't see anything in that situation that would really warrant having guns drawn, much less firing. Other LEOs in other cities will probably pay in blood for that dipshit decision. and you don't think the guy taking it with his cell phone wouldn't have posted it straight to youtube? I can think of all kinds of different thought processes that would lead to different ways of sharing the video. What I can't think of is why anyone would look at that situation and decide they need to have guns drawn and booger hook on the bang switch. with a report of a suicidal guy with a gun, yes there is reason to have your gun out. no, no one should have been shot in the video before or after the video was cut out. of course no one was shot in those parts of the video An uncorroborated report justifies nothing. When you a MWG call and find no MWG, you have an uncorroborated report. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:27:56 AM EST
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I have heard it was an accidental discharge. Either way it is going to be fodder for the left and the BLM. The gun sure as shit wasn't accidentally aimed. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:28:14 AM EST
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Jesus Tapdancing Christ. "I don't know"? 
Well I do know why that asshole should be flipping burgers instead of protecting and serving in the immediate future. Yep... And firing through your cruiser's roof 2x while trying to get an AR out? Check your fucking finger... |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:31:06 AM EST
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Heh, if a civilian does an accidental discharge and shoots a stranger... I doubt the law would be ok with a "sorry"
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:35:05 AM EST
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How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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no intent How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? Ask FBI Director James Comey...
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:36:03 AM EST
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Heh, if a civilian does an accidental discharge and shoots a stranger... I doubt the law would be ok with a "sorry" Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:38:07 AM EST
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Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heh, if a civilian does an accidental discharge and shoots a stranger... I doubt the law would be ok with a "sorry" Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. True, I don't think that standard should apply to officers though, their standards should be higher. An AD is okay, but a ND is grounds for firing. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:39:28 AM EST
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Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heh, if a civilian does an accidental discharge and shoots a stranger... I doubt the law would be ok with a "sorry" Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. The critical difference being in one case the gun was intentionally pointed at someone. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:40:03 AM EST
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Fire the cop & prosecute him for Attempted Manslaughter or Aggravated Battery.
Florida Standard Jury Instructions in Criminal Cases
6.6 ATTEMPTED MANSLAUGHTER BY ACT §§ 782.07 and 777.04, Fla. Stat. To prove the crime of Attempted Manslaughter by Act, the State must prove the following element beyond a reasonable doubt: (Defendant) intentionally committed an act [or procured the commission of an act], which would have resulted in the death of (victim) except that someone prevented (defendant) from killing (victim) or [he] [she] failed to do so. However, the defendant cannot be guilty of Attempted Manslaughter by Act by committing a merely negligent act. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably and use ordinary care toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. It is not an attempt to commit manslaughter if the defendant abandoned the attempt to commit the offense or otherwise prevented its commission under circumstances indicating a complete and voluntary renunciation of [his] [her] criminal purpose. Give only if procurement is alleged and proven. To “procure” means to persuade, induce, prevail upon, or cause a person to do something. In order to convict of Attempted Manslaughter by Act it is not necessary for the State to prove that the defendant had an intent to cause death, only an intent to commit an act which would have caused death and was not justifiable or excusable attempted homicide, as I have previously explained those terms. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:41:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poe's law? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ephesians 6:12 A lot of you aren't ready or receptive to this message, but here goes: What do you think causes the rulers and agents of our government to act in this way? Our government has legalized murdering children and bondage (income tax). Who do you think its agents are really working for? Here's a hint: not you and not God and his Son. When you watch videos like this and wonder how police can make such poor decisions, it's because they're not making the decisions at all. There is a darker force pulling the strings. This is the work of Satan, and we are in the last days. In the mother fucking house |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:47:26 AM EST
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The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:00:50 AM EST
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Guy comes across as seeming like a decent man, glad he was not on the receiving end of a lethal shot
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:07:48 AM EST
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Any high fives up in here yet? Holeeefuk, what a shitshow, again.
 The dag shot through the fence at kids birthday thread has some potential, as well. It really does suck that good guys (By most accounts) seem to always be the victims in the random attacks on police that these incidents caused by assholes seem to help provoke. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:08:30 AM EST
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Any high fives up in here yet? Holeeefuk, what a shitshow, again.
The dag shot through the fence at kids birthday thread has some potential, as well. USAF77 is going blow a head gasket when he logs in.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:08:49 AM EST
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He got Glocked.
Police guns need traditional safeties. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:09:03 AM EST
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The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why. The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:10:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Something jumped up and bit mee Lt.Dan!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: His lawyer must be cringing when the guy says the shot was "like a mosquito bite" Although these days I suppose they are going to write you a big check to not get the community whipped up into a frenzy"Something jumped up and bit mee Lt.Dan!" |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:11:18 AM EST
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The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why. The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. On the video, you can clearly see that it isn't gun. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:13:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why. The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. i can't tell if you're trolling or if you really think that the toy truck the guy was holding was a gun |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:14:00 AM EST
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True, I don't think that standard should apply to officers though, their standards should be higher. An AD is okay, but a ND is grounds for firing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heh, if a civilian does an accidental discharge and shoots a stranger... I doubt the law would be ok with a "sorry" Actually, that happens all the time. Father killed his son recently. No charges. True, I don't think that standard should apply to officers though, their standards should be higher. An AD is okay, but a ND is grounds for firing. In before someone says that there is no such thing as an accidental discharge. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:17:57 AM EST
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On the video, you can clearly see that it isn't gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why. The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. On the video, you can clearly see that it isn't gun. I couldn't tell wtf it was from the video |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:27:17 AM EST
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So.... its not just a pistol that is not a magic wand. This cop is going to be crucified. We need a new ROE or revised procedures for cops, or there will be more accidents portrayed as killer racists harming our poor black men.
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He got Glocked. Police guns need traditional safeties. A police gun's manual safety is the holster. An AR's safety should be on SAFE until you are going to fire. That's why they put it in an easy place to make ready to fire. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:29:23 AM EST
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The call came in as a person with a gun. Gun persons need shooting. That mindset is why. The guy next to him was waving the gun around pretty good. Great he is a caretaker, but he allowed his self to stay next to the guy with the gun. ETA- the news showed the video and you can clearly see the gun being waved around. On the video, you can clearly see that it isn't gun. I couldn't tell wtf it was from the video And I listened to the news lady...... they never played the audio saying it was a truck. You can hear the guy saying it in the video I found online. My mistake
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:30:24 AM EST
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His lawyer must be cringing when the guy says the shot was "like a mosquito bite" Although these days I suppose they are going to write you a big check to not get the community whipped up into a frenzyIt might be like that because the guy didn't take the full power shot. It may have hit the ground, bounced off, and done very minor damage. Further lending credibility to the idea that the shot was an accident. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:32:31 AM EST
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Right here. Here is another shooting. Cut a chunk out of the middle and you have another fully compliant suspect suddenly turning into a dead guy. Weird shit happens, right now all we have is guy got shot and he says "hands up don't shoot"  https://youtu.be/nOkL3KNjK0YQuote HistoryQuoted:
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where did all the "we need the full story" people go? oh wait Right here. Here is another shooting. Cut a chunk out of the middle and you have another fully compliant suspect suddenly turning into a dead guy. Weird shit happens, right now all we have is guy got shot and he says "hands up don't shoot" https://youtu.be/nOkL3KNjK0YAnd what exactly does that video prove? No one is claiming that video can't be edited to mislead people. The video showed the guy who was shot do nothing wrong, the police did not say he did anything wrong, he explained what he was doing and there was nothing wrong, he was clearly shot, there was no mention of a weapon being found, yet people still say "I want to see more of the video. There has to be more to it." None of the parties involved said he pulled a gun, yet you find a video of a different incident where there was one as proof that the video could have been edited? Your bias is showing. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:34:03 AM EST
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It might be like that because the guy didn't take the full power shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His lawyer must be cringing when the guy says the shot was "like a mosquito bite" Although these days I suppose they are going to write you a big check to not get the community whipped up into a frenzyIt might be like that because the guy didn't take the full power shot. No one can take a full power shot. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:36:29 AM EST
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He got Glocked. Police guns need traditional safeties. How would that have helped in this scenario? Since the clown cops finger was clearly on the trigger, even a manual safety would likely have been switched off. There's more justification for a longer/heavier trigger pull, IMO. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:42:34 AM EST
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Negligent Discharge. I'm calling it. What I'm thinking. ETA Did not know that 3 shots were fired. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:44:01 AM EST
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How would that have helped in this scenario? Since the clown cops finger was clearly on the trigger, even a manual safety would likely have been switched off. There's more justification for a longer/heavier trigger pull, IMO. It works wonders for the NYPD. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:46:04 AM EST
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Whelp that didn't look right.
Glad the caretaker is going to recover. Bad shoot or ND. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:49:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It works wonders for the NYPD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How would that have helped in this scenario? Since the clown cops finger was clearly on the trigger, even a manual safety would likely have been switched off. There's more justification for a longer/heavier trigger pull, IMO. It works wonders for the NYPD. Yeah terrible solution. Just will breed complacency, and make more stage the trigger |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:49:32 AM EST
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On fox news in a few...
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:53:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy comes across as seeming like a decent man, glad he was not on the receiving end of a lethal shot he doesn't appear to be a scumbag at all |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:55:43 AM EST
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It happens all the time, unfortunately. It's one definition of a negligent discharge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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no intent How does one pull the trigger on a loaded gun without intent to do something? It happens all the time, unfortunately. It's one definition of a negligent discharge. Pointing it at someone changes the equation. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:57:30 AM EST
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How would that have helped in this scenario? Since the clown cops finger was clearly on the trigger, even a manual safety would likely have been switched off. There's more justification for a longer/heavier trigger pull, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He got Glocked. Police guns need traditional safeties. How would that have helped in this scenario? Since the clown cops finger was clearly on the trigger, even a manual safety would likely have been switched off. There's more justification for a longer/heavier trigger pull, IMO. I'd say it's more of a justification to keep the fucking pistol in the holster, myself. You get a report of a "man with a gun", and roll up on an autistic guy with a toy truck...? And, you shoot the caregiver that's trying to deal with the situation? There's something fucky with that whole idea, right there. Why were firearms even introduced into the situation, in the first place? Where was the "deadly force" justification, except in the mind of the idiot who called it in to 911? Can anyone else use the "third party tol' me..." defense, besides cops? I'm curious, because there have been a couple of times where it sounds like I should have shot someone in the past, based on what I was told by someone else, who turned out to be an idiot. Anyone else trying this defense would be laughed out of court and into the penitentiary for attempted murder, or at least, attempted negligent homicide. I'm not seeing a reason to give benefit of the doubt to a cop, who is supposedly "trained" to de-escalate and try to defuse these situations, and then if a citizen were to have intervened and made the same "mistake", they'd be sent up the river. Which is why so many people are looking at a lot of these situations and going "What the actual fuck...?". Qualified immunity is going to go away, and when that happens, the idiots responsible are going to be the same guys here who did the shooting. If I was a police officer, I'd be looking at these dipshits in a very negative light, instead of trying to defend their actions. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:01:42 AM EST
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USAF77 is going blow a head gasket when he logs in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any high fives up in here yet? Holeeefuk, what a shitshow, again.
The dag shot through the fence at kids birthday thread has some potential, as well. USAF77 is going blow a head gasket when he logs in. Quoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:02:27 AM EST
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Where is MiamiJBT? He could probably tell us if that agency issues select fire carbines.
Even if that's the case, for the ND theory to be true, the cop would need to have the selector on burst which is a bad move. Maybe this is like the drunk driver that the cop shot and killed in Paradise, CA last year. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:07:55 AM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:12:50 AM EST
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Isolated incident. Who? Usaf77 was getting allpissed off about that being posted in cop threads. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:14:02 AM EST
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Usaf77 was getting all pissed off about that being posted in cop threads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isolated incident. Who? Usaf77 was getting all pissed off about that being posted in cop threads. I forgot that's one of his triggers. |
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