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Posted: 9/13/2016 11:24:12 PM EDT
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Took quite a few rides in the C47 being an Air Force brat.
Cool plane. My favorite was/is Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar 
These old planes remind me of the adventures of Terry and the Pirates. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 5:18:44 AM EDT
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DC3s make nice weathervanes.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 6:52:59 AM EDT
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Delta has flown both the DC-3 (C-47) and the CW-20 (C-46). One of those planes was dug out of Puerto Rico and fully restored.
And prior to Delta, this was one of my babies. 
Most of our heavy lifting was done with the Convairs though. 
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Posted: 9/14/2016 6:56:40 AM EDT
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C-47 with turbo-props and floats, for the win!
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Posted: 9/14/2016 7:33:01 AM EDT
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Almost bought a DC-3 once.
Almost. It crashed a couple years later outside of Boise ID. 
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Posted: 9/14/2016 7:39:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 47 had a huge reputation of durability, what ever it's other faults. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 9:00:57 AM EDT
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Would love to fly one of these old birds that you really have to "fly".
The Encore+ we fly now is wonderful but very automated. At least I still get to fly the King Air and do "pilot stuff" in that one. But the King Air is still so easy to fly. I've been invited to ride in the local C-47 giving rides at our home airport so going to have to take them up on that. At least I'll get to watch those guys wrestle the thing around the pattern. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 9:11:10 AM EDT
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While not as mechanically reliable during the war, each C46 was capable of carrying three times the load at twice the range and at higher speed than each C47. This |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 10:10:10 AM EDT
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Kind of a tough comparison. The 46 was a generation newer and a size larger. It was also a much more complex aircraft and had a lot of teething issues. In fairness, it's development was rushed. The 46 could fly higher, farther, and carry more stuff. It excelled in the Hump route, which is part of its problem. The Hump Campaign never got the attention it deserved. The 47 was everywhere. It was an already proven aircraft when the war began; ramping up production was a simple matter. It wasn't the perfect tactical airlifter (the DC-5 would have been better) but it was available in the numbers needed.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 10:51:44 AM EDT
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Whichever one is still being used.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:36:28 AM EDT
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Whichever one is still being used. Both are. 
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:43:06 AM EDT
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Goony.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:48:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whichever one bombed Pearl Harbor. That's the one that gets my vote. I think the German's used the Heinkel 111, mostly |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:49:12 AM EDT
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My grandfather, who flew the Hump at the end of WW2 with the 1305th AAFBU, would've said the C-46. http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/jlheard3/headshot_zpsa595324a.jpg I have a pic of my grandfather at the controls of a C-46 flying the Hump. Mainly though he flew an L-4 as an arty spotter in CBI. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:56:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the German's used the Heinkel 111, mostly Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whichever one bombed Pearl Harbor. That's the one that gets my vote. I think the German's used the Heinkel 111, mostly |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:00:04 PM EDT
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Whichever one bombed Pearl Harbor. That's the one that gets my vote. I think the German's used the Heinkel 111, mostly Naaaaaa.......it was Sopwith Camels. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:02:49 PM EDT
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It excelled in the Hump route, which is part of its problem. The Hump Campaign never got the attention it deserved. According to the Hump Veteran with whom I spoke, there was a reason for that. That reason had everything to do with the USAAF. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:04:23 PM EDT
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C46 is a cool plane.
But the C47 and this one in particular is the real deal. I have privilege of assisting in wrenching on her on weekends. Lead plane second wave on D-day. Flew in market garden. Flew back to Normandy for the 70 year anniversary. 
Imagine your 18 flying over the English Channel in the dark getting shot at about to jump behind enemy lines. 
This one is not my photo but dang skippy she is s beautiful bird in the air. 
Side by side 
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:13:42 PM EDT
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According to the Hump Veteran with whom I spoke, there was a reason for that. That reason had everything to do with the USAAF. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It excelled in the Hump route, which is part of its problem. The Hump Campaign never got the attention it deserved. According to the Hump Veteran with whom I spoke, there was a reason for that. That reason had everything to do with the USAAF. The CBI theater in general was an annoying after thought for much of the war. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:16:50 PM EDT
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N136PB will offer insight into this question.
ETA: Forgot about N18121. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:06:36 PM EDT
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If you are near Hammondsport New York, the Glenn Curtis museum has a C-46 sitting out front.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:13:47 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Iron_Airship/media/BaslerDc-3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/BaslerDc-3.jpg</a> <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Iron_Airship/media/lowpass.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/lowpass.jpg</a> Want. I have ridden in both of those planes 
You haven't lived until you have flown in a C-47 with turbo props! Pat |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:14:08 PM EDT
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Not saying I am old, but in 1969 I went on R&R in a C47, to Chiang Mai Thailand .
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:23:23 PM EDT
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My father was in the last reserve unit to fly the C-46. They took them to the boneyard in the late 50s. They got 119s to replace them.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:37:59 PM EDT
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The CBI theater in general was an annoying after thought for much of the war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It excelled in the Hump route, which is part of its problem. The Hump Campaign never got the attention it deserved. According to the Hump Veteran with whom I spoke, there was a reason for that. That reason had everything to do with the USAAF. The CBI theater in general was an annoying after thought for much of the war. In this guy's estimation, it was a function of the pilots who were assigned there. The Hump was essentially a civilian operation, albeit in uniform. The USAAF didn't like the fact that they needed civilian pilots, and didn't like to credit them at all. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:38:46 PM EDT
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My father was in the last reserve unit to fly the C-46. They took them to the boneyard in the late 50s. They got 119s to replace them. I don't know if that was a trade up. The buck nineteen was a treacherous airplane, as well. Better the Devil you know. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:54:06 PM EDT
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The old McDonnell Aircraft plant across from the terminal at Lambert Field was used by Curtiss for C-46 manufacture. Did not know that...thanks! |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:54:38 PM EDT
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As was SDF. Later built Farmall tractors at the plant. Then Louisville Forge moved in, making crankshafts. Torn down for UPS hub. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The old McDonnell Aircraft plant across from the terminal at Lambert Field was used by Curtiss for C-46 manufacture. Did not know that...thanks! Did not know that, either! Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 2:08:59 PM EDT
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Delta has flown both the DC-3 (C-47) and the CW-20 (C-46). One of those planes was dug out of Puerto Rico and fully restored. http://www.john2031.com/douglas/dc-3/aircraft_photos_cn_2000-3999/N28341-1.jpg And prior to Delta, this was one of my babies. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/595/21041407501_6fee4ebd61_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8069/8226165166_ee536817c9_b.jpg Most of our heavy lifting was done with the Convairs though. http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Airframe/Gallery/0/8/0000008720.jpg |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 2:14:32 PM EDT
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Also made in Buffalo and Louisville. The plant had a twin, I want to say in Cincinnatti, a sort of "standardized" facility for government production. While Building 2 in St. Louis was still in operation, someone came up with a straight edge with Curtiss-Wright markings that was still in use in the factory. Since it had not been "calibrated" in a while, naturally the fussy quality people had to send it through the lab, after which it returned to service where it belongs, making airplanes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The old McDonnell Aircraft plant across from the terminal at Lambert Field was used by Curtiss for C-46 manufacture. Did not know that...thanks! Also made in Buffalo and Louisville. The plant had a twin, I want to say in Cincinnatti, a sort of "standardized" facility for government production. While Building 2 in St. Louis was still in operation, someone came up with a straight edge with Curtiss-Wright markings that was still in use in the factory. Since it had not been "calibrated" in a while, naturally the fussy quality people had to send it through the lab, after which it returned to service where it belongs, making airplanes. The highway out front was known as the Lockland Highway, built to serve the plant. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 2:52:01 PM EDT
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In this guy's estimation, it was a function of the pilots who were assigned there. The Hump was essentially a civilian operation, albeit in uniform. The USAAF didn't like the fact that they needed civilian pilots, and didn't like to credit them at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It excelled in the Hump route, which is part of its problem. The Hump Campaign never got the attention it deserved. According to the Hump Veteran with whom I spoke, there was a reason for that. That reason had everything to do with the USAAF. The CBI theater in general was an annoying after thought for much of the war. In this guy's estimation, it was a function of the pilots who were assigned there. The Hump was essentially a civilian operation, albeit in uniform. The USAAF didn't like the fact that they needed civilian pilots, and didn't like to credit them at all. CBI was an interesting place. The Brits focused on India, we focused on China, and the Nationalist Chinese focused on the Communists. Nobody got along, The theater was almost always last in priority for anything. Stilwell and Chennault hated each other (Stilwell pretty much hated everyone but especially Chaing Kai Chek). Churchill was determined to keep India in the Empire which Roosevelt was completely indifferent to. The Brits needed 400,000 troops to keep order in India. And it was a hell of a long ways away from anything. With the exception of Mountbatten, Stratemeyer, and Slim it was a career graveyard for everyone that served there. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 7:14:50 PM EDT
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Delta has flown both the DC-3 (C-47) and the CW-20 (C-46). One of those planes was dug out of Puerto Rico and fully restored. http://www.john2031.com/douglas/dc-3/aircraft_photos_cn_2000-3999/N28341-1.jpg And prior to Delta, this was one of my babies. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/595/21041407501_6fee4ebd61_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8069/8226165166_ee536817c9_b.jpg Most of our heavy lifting was done with the Convairs though. http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Airframe/Gallery/0/8/0000008720.jpg Columbus, IN I remember back in the late 90's, Jack Rhodes wanted to buy some 727's and DC-9's that Kitty Hawk was going to sell, till he saw the price of a JT8D hot section overhaul. He bought the Convair 600 and 640s instead. Those Darts were pieces of shit! |
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