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Posted: 12/22/2009 12:22:35 PM EST

[#1]

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In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

Oh yes. The residents of Texas would be DOOMED!

You can't help trolling huh Kstanton?

By the way how long could Texas survive with out protection of the US military.
Not long pal , not long at all.

No I will not be your boyfriend.

Posted: 12/22/2009 12:33:56 PM EST

[#2]

This thread reminded me I have to take a shit.

Posted: 12/22/2009 1:04:57 PM EST

[#3]

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umm, do you think we would not be able to contract for water?

Does secession mean it will no longer rain in TX?

We waste a piss pot full of water at places like southfork ranch, and in cities, for decoration.

Trust me, stop wasting the shit, and we'll get by.

TXL

You forgot to mention the plethora of desalinization plants which could be built with all the money saved from Federal corporate and income taxes.

Pivot-irrigation produce farm in south west Texas anyone?

One would imagine the availibility of fertilizer (made with natural gas) in the Commie States of Amerika would be in short supply. Ooooo....trade items. Can't let the people starve in the cold, can we?

Posted: 12/22/2009 1:27:04 PM EST

[#4]

I'd love for it to happen just to show the DC thugs that we mean business. That's not to see it's realistic by any stretch - I'm just saying those assholes need a reality check. Clearly a million people marching at the nation's capital wasn't a blip on the radar. Maybe losing their second-biggest state will actually register.

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:15:02 PM EST

[#5]

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Just as I figured. May your chains rest lightly...

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/nickm/uploaded_images/joinordie-794471.jpg

You threatening me?

LOL - easy there, Tex.

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:16:55 PM EST

[#6]

Quoted: Kay Bailey Hutchinson, a fifth-columnist collectivist if ever there was a Vichy in France.

All in all, a brilliant bit...

The part quote made my day.

Posted: 12/22/2009 2:36:43 PM EST

[#7]

If they announced it tomorrow morning I would have my dog, my guns, and truck on the way there by noon.

Posted: 12/22/2009 5:30:39 PM EST

[#8]

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I saw what is coming in the world about five years ago.

I moved here then to get some roots.

Change is comming. What? I don't know, but I'd rather face it here.

pretty much my case but 30 years before you

hell, IM a Native at this point...and GOD BLESS MY BELOVED TEXAS...my home, my heart
CHEF

Posted: 12/22/2009 5:51:03 PM EST

[#9]

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Oh, you were serious.....

Posted: 12/22/2009 6:20:31 PM EST

[#10]

Quoted:

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In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

Oh yes. The residents of Texas would be DOOMED!

You can't help trolling huh Kstanton?

By the way how long could Texas survive with out protection of the US military.
Not long pal , not long at all.

No I will not be your boyfriend.

But I bet you're someones BF

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:39:32 PM EST

[#11]

Hey, Danny boy, if you have something to say, I'm your huckleberry. Hurry before your mom finds out your on the computer past bedtime.

Posted: 12/22/2009 8:47:17 PM EST

[#12]

Quoted:

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In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

Oh yes. The residents of Texas would be DOOMED!

You can't help trolling huh Kstanton?

By the way how long could Texas survive with out protection of the US military.
Not long pal , not long at all.

No I will not be your boyfriend.

But I bet you're someones BF

I am... I am a female's boyfriend

Posted: 12/22/2009 9:11:40 PM EST

[#13]

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100% Looney Tunes!

Well that seals the deal. With Dave's disapproval you can break-away confidently, knowing you did the right thing.

In a world where the unraveling of the US, and the dooming of both the residents of TX, and the rest of the union to destruction is a 'good thing'...

See my original comment....

Nothing good can come of an attempt to break up the union - regardless of the success or failure of said attempt...

In this case, "nothing good" is supposed to refer to increased individual freedom for texans, and loss of control over texans by the federal government.

My freedom is more important than your union.

Posted: 12/23/2009 3:05:55 AM EST

[#14]

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

And why would you take up arms against someone wanting freedom and liberty?

TXL?

Because secession is treason.

Splitting up the US will lead to nothing but more blood shed across the nation, weaken our stance internationally, damage everyone economically, damage the value of the dollar, and a host of other consequences.

So your quest for 'freedom and liberty' is going to adversely effect mine and millions of other American's 'freedom and liberty'.

Your energies would be better spent elsewhere.

This is fun.....

( Feel free to show me when in the constitution is says it is a binding document with no capability of escape....)

Where did I ever make that argument? Assuming it was 100% legal I would be against it. I would be against it if it was CA or some other liberal hell hole as well.

Just as I figured. May your chains rest lightly...

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/nickm/uploaded_images/joinordie-794471.jpg

You threatening me?

LOL - easy there, Tex.

You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

Posted: 12/23/2009 3:26:14 AM EST

[#15]

Go, Texas, go!

Posted: 12/23/2009 5:11:15 AM EST

[#16]

hey now, this is a criminal gang, blood in and blood out yo!

Posted: 12/23/2009 5:12:05 AM EST

[#17]

Posted: 12/23/2009 5:39:08 AM EST

[#18]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:06:01 AM EST

[#19]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

We have a lot of defense contractors here. I wonder how that would work out... can you say ITAR nightmare? Even if they "let" Texas secede peacefully, you know there is still a lot of stuff they might come for - not only military equipment, but tooling, data, and stuff like that at places like Lockheed. Or the nuke shop in Amarillo (good reason to get OK to come with us, protect the panhandle).

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:11:50 AM EST

[#20]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:18:59 AM EST

[#21]

Western and Southwestern NM will once again be part of Tejas.

Brazos!

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[snip]

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:42:06 AM EST

[#22]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

No no no - i am talking REAL armed forces. I am sure one could hold their own against the Mexican Drug Cartel or Aztlanta or what ever the fuck those guys are called. But you wouldn't stand a chance against the Mexican army that has things like an air force.

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:49:02 AM EST

[#23]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

No no no - i am talking REAL armed forces. I am sure one could hold their own against the Mexican Drug Cartel or Aztlanta or what ever the fuck those guys are called. But you wouldn't stand a chance against the Mexican army that has things like an air force.

This is why I say that the Military Bases and equipment would need to be secured by the Republic of Texas if we secede. Get ahold of any air assets to provide support along the border with either fighter jets or helicopter gunships.

Also...a formal military would need to be in place (at least the start of one) before the secession so that once the volunteer militia engages along the border then the military can come in and take over and pull the volunteers back to form them into a formal military force and be redeployed as needed.

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:56:53 AM EST

[#24]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

No no no - i am talking REAL armed forces. I am sure one could hold their own against the Mexican Drug Cartel or Aztlanta or what ever the fuck those guys are called. But you wouldn't stand a chance against the Mexican army that has things like an air force.

This is why I say that the Military Bases and equipment would need to be secured by the Republic of Texas if we secede. Get ahold of any air assets to provide support along the border with either fighter jets or helicopter gunships.

Also...a formal military would need to be in place (at least the start of one) before the secession so that once the volunteer militia engages along the border then the military can come in and take over and pull the volunteers back to form them into a formal military force and be redeployed as needed.

I don't mean to kick a dead horse but some of you guys are really delusional.

The US govt is not going to sit back and let you keep anything they own.
Texas would be stripped of all US govt property.
Mexico is a shit hole but they do have a modern army and they do have jets and gunships.
This is all of course internet SHTF fantasy masturbation.
You would never get enough Texans to even vote it in.

You're fucked like the rest of us, get use to the idea and work to change the system we have and get over it.

I like Texans for the most part, just not the "we are better than y'all" ones.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:11:09 AM EST

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

No no no - i am talking REAL armed forces. I am sure one could hold their own against the Mexican Drug Cartel or Aztlanta or what ever the fuck those guys are called. But you wouldn't stand a chance against the Mexican army that has things like an air force.

This is why I say that the Military Bases and equipment would need to be secured by the Republic of Texas if we secede. Get ahold of any air assets to provide support along the border with either fighter jets or helicopter gunships.

Also...a formal military would need to be in place (at least the start of one) before the secession so that once the volunteer militia engages along the border then the military can come in and take over and pull the volunteers back to form them into a formal military force and be redeployed as needed.

I don't mean to kick a dead horse but some of you guys are really delusional.

The US govt is not going to sit back and let you keep anything they own.
Texas would be stripped of all US govt property.
Mexico is a shit hole but they do have a modern army and they do have jets and gunships.
This is all of course internet SHTF fantasy masturbation.
You would never get enough Texans to even vote it in.

You're fucked like the rest of us, get use to the idea and work to change the system we have and get over it.

I like Texans for the most part, just not the "we are better than y'all" ones.

All I am trying to point out is that secession would not be a simple..."Hey, we are not part of the United States anymore."

There are things that will have to be done to secure the state against the US, Mexico, etc...these steps include having a standing army, getting ahold of military equipment, and being able to secure the border on all sides.

Would I like to see Texas secede...yes. Do I know that if it does there will be hardship all around....yes. Do I think that .fed would let it all pass and let us keep all the military equipment...no.

But even if the intention is to give back all the military equipment you would need to secure the military installations so you do not have those troops and equipment inside your own territory.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:22:26 AM EST

[#26]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

I think that there would be a quickly built volunteer militia to defend the border....may even end up with some more territory out of it after we push the invaders back across the border...we could wind up owning both sides of the Rio Grande.

No no no - i am talking REAL armed forces. I am sure one could hold their own against the Mexican Drug Cartel or Aztlanta or what ever the fuck those guys are called. But you wouldn't stand a chance against the Mexican army that has things like an air force.

This is why I say that the Military Bases and equipment would need to be secured by the Republic of Texas if we secede. Get ahold of any air assets to provide support along the border with either fighter jets or helicopter gunships.

Also...a formal military would need to be in place (at least the start of one) before the secession so that once the volunteer militia engages along the border then the military can come in and take over and pull the volunteers back to form them into a formal military force and be redeployed as needed.

LOL - you and what army? Do you people think, or just wave your Texas sized dicks around and call it good?

First off - for a 'peaceful secession' - you are engaging in behavior guaranteed to spark bloodshed.

You can gather a militia, but it isn't going to do squat against our trained, and much much better armed Army. You can't just waltz in and commandeer some F-15s. Even the Air Force has guns. Make sure you secure the weapons and have people to load them and fly your jets.

LOL - you guys should write this shit down and sell it to Hollywood.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:29:05 AM EST

[#27]

Quoted:

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

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Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:32:35 AM EST

[#28]

The people who insist that the Federal government will beat down any state attempting to exercise their rights to self-determination are missing the point, those who would enforce tyranny would be few and far between in the military and if it ever came to it, the militia outnumbers the military 100 to 1. I'm sure "the military" being made up of Americans would be fragmented by those who would join those who stand for freedom and side against those who oppose it.

There is one solution, restore the Constitution and return to the principles of freedom and liberty upon which this nation was founded on, and for those who think the Constitution was a death-pact, I'm sorry to say you are mistaken. Like someone else said my freedom is > than your Federal government. (THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN THE UNITED STATES)

The outcome wouldn't be a breakup of the US but rather a restoration of the Constitution as the States would re-assemble into a Union but put in place safeguards so that the Federal beast was never allowed to rise.

Just my opinions of course.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:40:26 AM EST

[#29]

Quoted:

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

You see that bit in red? What makes you think the nation they belong (hint, not Texas) will allow secessionists to keep those aircraft?

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:42:30 AM EST

[#30]

I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:43:24 AM EST

[#31]

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You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

You see that bit in red? What makes you think the nation they belong (hint, not Texas) will allow secessionists to keep those aircraft?

Molon labe.

Or in the words of my fellow Texans from Gonzalez "Come and Take it"

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:50:01 AM EST

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

You see that bit in red? What makes you think the nation they belong (hint, not Texas) will allow secessionists to keep those aircraft?

Molon labe.

Or in the words of my fellow Texans from Gonzalez "Come and Take it"

You just keep hanging on to that fairy tale world in your head. Maybe one day you'll realize how the real world works.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:54:25 AM EST

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

Uh, aren't they over seas right now?

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:55:35 AM EST

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

You see that bit in red? What makes you think the nation they belong (hint, not Texas) will allow secessionists to keep those aircraft?

Molon labe.

Or in the words of my fellow Texans from Gonzalez "Come and Take it"

You just keep hanging on to that fairy tale world in your head. Maybe one day you'll realize how the real world works.

Can you say Taiwan?

The "way the world works" AIN'T FUCKING WORKING ANYMORE. ONE DAY, YOU'LL FUCKING FIGURE THAT OUT.

TXL

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:56:08 AM EST

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

You see that bit in red? What makes you think the nation they belong (hint, not Texas) will allow secessionists to keep those aircraft?

Molon labe.

Or in the words of my fellow Texans from Gonzalez "Come and Take it"

You just keep hanging on to that fairy tale world in your head. Maybe one day you'll realize how the real world works.

IIRC, the citizens of Gonzalez loaded up the cannon and shot the shit out of the crack Mexican Dragoons sent to take it back.

So you tell me. If Texas formally seceded, and the Feds began a de facto invasion and ordered the Texas NG to surrender all equipment or even to use it to against fellow Texas, how do you think most of them would react?

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:56:46 AM EST

[#36]

Quoted:

[snip]

You just keep hanging on to that fairy tale world in your head. Maybe one day you'll realize how the real world works.

I don't think any of us have really thought about what is going on today. Today is nothing like we had in the past, nothing like our ancestors faced.

Let me leave this here, it's the stuff that revolutions are made of...also, want to add that the property in Texas purportedly owned by the Federal Govt. (actually it's owned by We The People) was bought and paid for by Texans and the land itself is on Texas soil.

The largest employer in the US as well.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:59:30 AM EST

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
[snip]

You just keep hanging on to that fairy tale world in your head. Maybe one day you'll realize how the real world works.

I don't think any of us have really thought about what is going on today. Today is nothing like we had in the past, nothing like our ancestors faced.

Let me leave this here, it's the stuff that revolutions are made of...also, want to add that the property in Texas purportedly owned by the Federal Govt. (actually it's owned by We The People) was bought and paid for by Texans and the land itself is on Texas soil.

The largest employer in the US as well.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/uploads/Z1-2009-12/total-debt-2009-12.png

There is virtually NO Federally owned land in Texas because Texas entered the Union as a sovereign Nation. It had never been a US territory.

The only land the Fed gov owns in Texas was granted to it by the State on a case by case basis.

Sobering graph.

Posted: 12/23/2009 7:59:36 AM EST

[#38]

Quoted:[/span]
I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. [span style='font-weight: bold;']The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.[/

extremely bad idea.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:03:30 AM EST

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. [span style='font-weight: bold;']The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.[/span[/]quote]

extremely bad idea.

Why?

No government lasts forever. This one is spoiled rotten.

I'd be A-ok with dissolving this one and re-evaluating our formal relationship with the other States. Some sort of Federal government would be a good thing, so long as it was kept small and inoffensive. Something kept strictly to overall national defense only.

I wouldn't even include an equivalent "interstate commerce" regulation power, as we've proven that our government cannot be trusted with such a power.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:13:03 AM EST

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. [span style='font-weight: bold;']The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.[/span[/]quote]

extremely bad idea.

Why?

No government lasts forever. This one is spoiled rotten.

I'd be A-ok with dissolving this one and re-evaluating our formal relationship with the other States. Some sort of Federal government would be a good thing, so long as it was kept small and inoffensive. Something kept strictly to overall national defense only.

I wouldn't even include an equivalent "interstate commerce" regulation power, as we've proven that our government cannot be trusted with such a power.

The Federal Government won't even defend our borders from over 30 million illegal invaders (INVADERS DAMMiT) instead they actively encourage, aid and abet them. Sounds to me like a bunch of fifth-columnists have taken over the government and as such is no longer trustworthy. (that is reason #20 of about 300 to do this)

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:14:30 AM EST

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. [span style='font-weight: bold;']The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.[/span[/]quote]

extremely bad idea.

Why?

No government lasts forever. This one is spoiled rotten.

I'd be A-ok with dissolving this one and re-evaluating our formal relationship with the other States. Some sort of Federal government would be a good thing, so long as it was kept small and inoffensive. Something kept strictly to overall national defense only.

I wouldn't even include an equivalent "interstate commerce" regulation power, as we've proven that our government cannot be trusted with such a power.

I would go as far to say that they have to maintain a national transportation system...but anyone hired to work on it would have to be from the state the stretch of road is in.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:19:26 AM EST

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd be ok with dissolving the US completely, too.

However, doing that will require anullment of the Constitution by approval of 3/4 of the States. [span style='font-weight: bold;']The Federal government would never allow it to happen. They'd be arresting State legislators and occupying various State capitol buildings to prevent it.[/span[/]quote]

extremely bad idea.

Why?

No government lasts forever. This one is spoiled rotten.

I'd be A-ok with dissolving this one and re-evaluating our formal relationship with the other States. Some sort of Federal government would be a good thing, so long as it was kept small and inoffensive. Something kept strictly to overall national defense only.

I wouldn't even include an equivalent "interstate commerce" regulation power, as we've proven that our government cannot be trusted with such a power.

I would go as far to say that they have to maintain a national transportation system...but anyone hired to work on it would have to be from the state the stretch of road is in.

No federal funding for interstate highways.

They've proven they can't be trusted with such a power.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:27:44 AM EST

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Quoted:
Dear Texas - please don't. I wouldn't want to take up arms against you.

Are you one of those people who tell so many lies that you can't remember which lies you told?

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, they ain't much to be concerned about. Their ENTIRE force strength is about 181,000 which is about the same size as the USMC, but nowhere near as well trained. 130k man Army, an Air Force with ONE squadron of F-5's, a 13 ship Navy that must patrol the Gulf and the Pacific coasts, and an 8000 man Naval Infantry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Mexico

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy

The Texas Air National Guard has 2 squadrons of F-16's. Scratch one Mexican air force and one Mexican navy in very short order...

I am one person very rarely accused of being a liar.

It wasn't intended as a threat. It It was an illustration of consequences - REAL consequences. I personally won't be directly involved until they start to recruit cripples.

I would hope you wouldn't have to deal with Mexico (perhaps backed by Venezuela). I would also hope you could keep your national guard, vs it being taken out as a precaution.

I am sure it will play out just like the end of Red Dawn and they will carry you on their shoulders triumphantly through the streets.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:31:11 AM EST

[#44]

Quoted:
Can you say Taiwan?

The "way the world works" AIN'T FUCKING WORKING ANYMORE. ONE DAY, YOU'LL FUCKING FIGURE THAT OUT.

TXL

What about Taiwan? The only reason it enjoys the freedom from Beijing that it has is because of the allies it has.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:33:49 AM EST

[#45]

Quoted:

IIRC, the citizens of Gonzalez loaded up the cannon and shot the shit out of the crack Mexican Dragoons sent to take it back.

So you tell me. If Texas formally seceded, and the Feds began a de facto invasion and ordered the Texas NG to surrender all equipment or even to use it to against fellow Texas, how do you think most of them would react?

Depends how it is spun. Make you all painted like McViegh nuts and they will gladly go in.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:37:07 AM EST

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Can you say Taiwan?

The "way the world works" AIN'T FUCKING WORKING ANYMORE. ONE DAY, YOU'LL FUCKING FIGURE THAT OUT.

TXL

What about Taiwan? The only reason it enjoys the freedom from Beijing that it has is because of the allies it has.

hmm, freedom loving Texans vs socialist america who spurns it's allies. Yeah, Texas would have no allies.

Fuck allies, we'll take the Volunteers. The Sooners, most of the Cajuns. A few more will be there as well.

I'll take those odds. They may be long, but GUARANFUCKINGTEE you, we're on the right side of it.

TXL

For the record, we'd all prefer a liberty loving free America. Unfortunately, it's on it's death bed, and you want to bitch about those who are ok with dying for liberty for our kids.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:41:15 AM EST

[#47]

Why does everybody think that only the Federal Gov. owns military equipment? Where did they get the money to buy it? From taxes on D.C.? It is owned by the people. What standing would the feds have to disarm the National Guard?
Why would secession result in warfare? If Texas would secede or begin proceedings to secede, it might be the reality check that the feds need. As far as defense from Mexico, Texans have done that many times before.

Posted: 12/23/2009 8:49:29 AM EST

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Let me take a wild guess...

Graduate of D_A's School of American Politics?

Posted: 12/23/2009 9:54:10 AM EST

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Let me take a wild guess...

Graduate of D_A's School of American Politics?

I have no idea what that means.

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:03:23 AM EST

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're the one threatening to take up arms simply because some of us would support a peaceful separation. As if it's even about YOU. It's about a tyrannical federal government and court system that has defiled the Constitution time and time again over the last 100 years by enacting unconstitutional laws that have bent this once great nation into a grotesque caricature of it's former beauty and nearly bringing the Republic to the breaking point.

First off, I am not "threatening" anything.

If you think any attempt at secession would be bloodless or peaceful then you are delusional or the tin foil is leeching into your brain.

The ramifications of Texas leaving the US would have international repercussions. It would have gross ramifications for everyone else in the US. When ever the next "big war" happens, the US will be that much weaker.

Never mind the idea that once the US pulled all of its military out, you all are going to be defenseless against Mexico or anyone else with armed forces. They have made comments of wanting parts of Texas back only a few years ago, IIRC.

Let me take a wild guess...

Graduate of D_A's School of American Politics?

I have no idea what that means.

10,000 posts and you have no idea what that means.

Amazing!

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