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Posted: 3/13/2019 6:46:16 PM EDT
SLS program continues to be a complete dumpster fire, gets delayed further, NASA looking at commercial options for Orion spacecraft.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/03/nasa-to-consider-use-of-private-rockets-for-first-orion-lunar-mission/ On Wednesday morning, NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine appeared before the US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation to discuss how to ensure US leadership in space. He used the appearance to make what is, for the aerospace community at least, a shocking announcement about the oft-delayed first launch of NASA's Space Launch System (SLS) rocket and its Orion crew capsule.
"SLS is struggling to meet its schedule," he said. "We are now understanding better how difficult this project is, and it’s going to take some additional time. I want to be really clear. I think we as an agency need to stick to our commitment. If we tell you, and others, that we’re going to launch in June of 2020 around the Moon, I think we should launch around the Moon in June of 2020. And I think it can be done. We should consider, as an agency, all options to accomplish that objective." And with that comment, Bridenstine opened the door to launching the Exploration Mission-1—which will not carry crew but will test Orion in a deep-space environment over three weeks—on commercial rockets. View Quote With a Republican White House and a Democratic House of Representatives, it almost goes without saying that the President's fiscal year 2020 budget request won't get far within Congress. Yet with NASA's budget, there are intriguing hints about the increasingly commercial nature of lunar exploration.
Two sources familiar with the thinking of Vice President Mike Pence—who leads US space policy—have said he is frustrated with the slow pace of the nation's efforts to send humans to the Moon. In particular, he is growing tired of delays with NASA's Space Launch System rocket, which was originally due to launch in 2017 and is now likely delayed until 2021 at the earliest. View Quote |
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I'm confused by his statement.. are we or are we not going to shot it around the moon in 2020?
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Congress critters will funnel money to it whether NASA wants it or not.
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just fucking use SpaceX
jesus christ this shit isn't rocket surgery |
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They delayed the second stage development $$? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: They delayed the second stage development $$? View Quote The SLS, Orion, and Ares so far have taken $50+billion... And the SLS uses no new engines and mostly shuttle hand-me-downs. SLS is a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. |
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules?
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules? View Quote It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. |
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I saw Orion, and thought it was going to be a nuclear propulsion ship.
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Quoted: The first iteration of SLS uses basically a Delta IV upper stage. The SLS, Orion, and Ares so far have taken $50+billion... And the SLS uses no new engines and mostly shuttle hand-me-downs. SLS is a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. View Quote |
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It uses Shuttle engines, Stretched Shuttle SRBS, RL-10 engines on the upper stage (a COTS rocket engine) and somehow it's still a half decade late and ~$20 billion over budget. It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Didn't we build essentially the same thing 50 years ago using slide rules? It will cost over a billion per launch not including the development costs. With those it's more like $3 billion (The cost of 20-30 Falcon Heavies) per launch if we launch more than 10 of them. One big problem NASA has is that they have no urgency, even with China pushing ahead they should be the new Russian competition. Unfortunately, we live in a different era now, weaker minded Congress and NASA administrators begat weak programs. Many points of failure with too many unproductive mouths to feed. |
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Quoted: I admit I don’t know much about the SLS project, other than the dumpster fire aspect. View Quote It's primary mission is the launch and delivery of precious monetary cargo into Alabama for Richard Shelby and his MIC corporate sponsors. |
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Thank God for SpaceX. Holy shit we're so fucked when political corruption, billions of dollars and space exploration are combined together.
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Quoted: With all the left over hardware, all they had to do was make sure they work together and not tear each other apart. That whole program is a train wreck. One big problem NASA has is that they have no urgency, even with China pushing ahead they should be the new Russian competition. Unfortunately, we live in a different era now, weaker minded Congress and NASA administrators begat weak programs. Many points of failure with too many unproductive mouths to feed. View Quote |
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Thank God for SpaceX. Holy shit we're so fucked when political corruption, billions of dollars and space exploration are combined together. View Quote Space-X's plan to have a number of Falcon-9s prepared for short-notice launches makes ULA very very worried that they will just not be considered for any time critical launches. Shit, ULA launched a month late from Vandenburg. They think that was just fine. |
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually.
That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. |
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. View Quote People die driving, flying, and boating. The only way to be sure people don't die in space is if we stop going. And if you think we shouldn't go to space because people might die, that is loser incel logic. |
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Couple small things:
Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. SpaceX is working a product called the BFR which might be able to meet that need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. |
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Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. View Quote Attached File |
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Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. View Quote As it turns out, kinda hard. |
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. View Quote But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. |
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Quoted: SpaceX was never even all that interested in doing Falcon Heavy. Their original plan was to go from Falcon 9 to BFR and eventually phase out F9. Enough customers/potential customers asked for it that they said "fuck it, lets give it a shot, how hard can it be to strap 3 first stages together?" As it turns out, kinda hard. View Quote |
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Couple small things: Falcon Heavy was delayed 5 years and currently does not meet NASA safety specs for human travel. It also has half the planned lift capacity of SLS final product. Bottom line: there would need to be a FH version 2 to meet the govt need. SpaceX is working a product called the BFR which might be able to meet that need. That being said - the FH2 might be a better plan than continuing SLS. But what can we get out of SLS sunk costs? This is a discussion that will take the govt a year to sort out. View Quote Falcon Heavy was delayed because they kept upping the specs and because the Falcon 9 had improved so much, it could cover most of the Falcon Heavy payloads itself. The design was a moving target till Falcon Nine hit it's final iteration. |
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Quoted: SpaceX was never even all that interested in doing Falcon Heavy. Their original plan was to go from Falcon 9 to BFR and eventually phase out F9. Enough customers/potential customers asked for it that they said "fuck it, lets give it a shot, how hard can it be to strap 3 first stages together?" As it turns out, kinda hard. View Quote The current regular block 5 Falcon 9 is almost as powerful as the original Falcon Heavy design was. The first circa 2011 intended to be about Delta IVH size (~28 tonnes to LEO), now Falcon 9 can do 23 tonnes by itself now and Falcon Heavy's payload increased to 63 tonnes |
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Elon Musk, the Huckster, doesn't have shit. His whole program is a sham bait to get government money to feed his failed organizations. all he lives off of are government handouts, like the 7500 he gets for each Teshamla sold.
We should be giving money to real god fairing American companies that aren't propped up by uncle sam, like Boeing, Lockmart, and BAE. Not Weed smoking, North Korea supprting fraudsters. Edit: to prove this, they are building a fake rocket out in the desert, called a Hopper, lol. This thing has dents and huge weld seems, and yet he thinks people can get into space like that? Go smoke some more devils lettuce. |
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Quoted: If we want to do anything other than dick around in space, people will eventually die. People die driving, flying, and boating. The only way to be sure people don't die in space is if we stop going. And if you think we shouldn't go to space because people might die, that is loser incel logic. View Quote So yeah, people are going to die in space but thousands of us are trying really hard not to let that happen. No loser incel here |
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Needs canceled immediately and everyone on the project fired for gross negligence.
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The only way for NASA to get a man or cargo to the ISS without flying on Russian engines is SpaceX. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: NASA has launch something like 900 people into space. No one has yet to fly on a space x vehicle. I was at KSC working on space shuttles that day. |
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Everything is risky. But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SpaceX hasn't killed anyone yet. They will, eventually. That said, I'm a fan of them and Blue Origin and any other company that wants to take a shot. I'm okay with NASA taking some more time to get it right. But private industry does basically everything better than the government. Besides wasting money uselessly. During the NASP project the budget was split three ways, with the government office getting one third to administer the program. In the end the product was airline miles for lots of people jetting around the country to meetings. |
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Quoted: The government doesn't build anything. Knowing a little about one of the ULA partners, I know the main reasons and they cross every possible topic. During the NASP project the budget was split three ways, with the government office getting one third to administer the program. In the end the product was airline miles for lots of people jetting around the country to meetings. View Quote |
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Space X will be on the moon before SLS has a test rocket.
The BFR is already going together, and I am not talking about the mock up/test rig in the desert. I expect people to die, thats the nature of it. |
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