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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:03:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freedom of the press pretty well covers it. Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:07:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Freedom of the press pretty well covers it. Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? He's clearly being prohibited from recording and posting it to YT. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:08:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? Freedom of the press also protects the right to gather information from public people, places, for things to publish. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:09:12 PM EST
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Gotta love the GD bootlicking statists
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:09:32 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It really is amazing. All it would take to not end up on YouTube looking like an idiot and/or losing the city’s money to a lawsuit, is to simply ignore the YouTubers if they aren’t doing anything illegal. That’s literally all they have to do; nothing. Yet there’s an endless amount of videos like the one in the OP. Mind blowing. The need for others to respect their authority must cloud their little brains. There’s no other explanation. That sounds complicated. It's easier to simply attack people I don't like. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:11:40 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shitty cops can get fired. Creepy fucking asshats who insist on trying to act like terrorists while recording folks trying to live their fucking lives can't. In truth the cops should have never even been called here, because it should be perfectly legal for the people working in that building to come out and pummel the fucking jackass within an inch of his for refusing to leave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well hell, let's hear your debate. Shitty cops can get fired. Creepy fucking asshats who insist on trying to act like terrorists while recording folks trying to live their fucking lives can't. In truth the cops should have never even been called here, because it should be perfectly legal for the people working in that building to come out and pummel the fucking jackass within an inch of his for refusing to leave. Why? Look these "1st amendment auditors" are fucking stupid i get it but just ignore them and they will leave. Standing on the side of the road recording shit is dumb as fuck but its not a crime. Sitting a a stop light saw some guy standing out front of a weed store last week recording. The cop showed up, spoke 2 words to the dude and then left. Smart cop. 10-8 GOA |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:13:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freedom of the press also protects the right to gather information from public people, places, and things to publish. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? Freedom of the press also protects the right to gather information from public people, places, and things to publish. With some caveats. I read somewhere that it only counts if you actually intend to publish and share the work. If you're recording just for your own amusement, or for your private collection or something, that is no longer a protected activity. Taking video to post on YouTube, even if it's not monetized, is enough to count as press/journalism though, iirc. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:16:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, I’m not a cop, tried it about 15 ago, didn’t care for it. In fact I’m bashing shitty cops in two other threads in GD right now. I haven’t defended the cop in this thread. Not once. I just expressed my opinion that these “first amendment auditors” are scum, and that has a lot of folks here but hurt. Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if you realize how badly your comments damage your line of work. It's like you are either unwilling to understand how poorly your comments make you look, or you're simply unable to realize that violating people's rights as a LEO undermines western civilization. Lol, I’m not a cop, tried it about 15 ago, didn’t care for it. In fact I’m bashing shitty cops in two other threads in GD right now. I haven’t defended the cop in this thread. Not once. I just expressed my opinion that these “first amendment auditors” are scum, and that has a lot of folks here but hurt. Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? You're not defending the cop. Classic "not defending" by putting all of the blame and story on the guy that was illegally assaulted and arrested and ignoring the side of the story that is clearly in the wrong. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:18:24 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To save everybody some trouble, it's a video by one of those "audits" douchebags. lol... |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:18:49 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven’t watched the video, I won’t reward the morons who make it with the click revenue. These same guys showed up in front of my workplace nearby a year or so ago. They were total jerks, asked leading questions and made veiled accusations trying to get a negative reaction for them to post online. Please don’t reward their behavior by helping them get paid for these videos. I know the officer personally, I’ve done gun work for him. He’s a solid dude, a good man and this isn’t the first time he’s had to deal with these scumbags. Naw. Your buddy is a pos. Hope he loses everything. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:20:04 PM EST
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my neck of the woods.
damn literally, this is one block from my work. I take that road all the time. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:20:58 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's clearly being prohibited from recording and posting it to YT. If the cop did indeed illegally arrest the guy, he violated his 4th and 5th Amendment rights. If the cop did indeed delete the footage deliberately, I would say he also violated his 1st Amendment rights as well. But that isn’t really what I asked (admittedly I kinda sidetracked myself). Freedom of the press has “grown” almost as much as “the freedom to keep and bear arms” has shrunk. Assholes with cameras (both professional and amateur) have become some sort of fucking supercitizen (as long as they have the right political bent anyway). |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:21:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With some caveats. I read somewhere that it only counts if you actually intend to publish and share the work. If you're recording just for your own amusement, or for your private collection or something, that is no longer a protected activity. Taking video to post on YouTube, even if it's not monetized, is enough to count as press/journalism though, iirc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? What is he being prohibited from publishing or expressing? Freedom of the press also protects the right to gather information from public people, places, and things to publish. With some caveats. I read somewhere that it only counts if you actually intend to publish and share the work. If you're recording just for your own amusement, or for your private collection or something, that is no longer a protected activity. Taking video to post on YouTube, even if it's not monetized, is enough to count as press/journalism though, iirc. I would love to see a citation for the idea that the first only applies to those intending to publish. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:22:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not defending the cop. Classic "not defending" by putting all of the blame and story on the guy that was illegally assaulted and arrested and ignoring the side of the story that is clearly in the wrong. Are you saying it's wrong to vilify the victim in an attempt to make those at fault look more reasonable? *GASP!* 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:23:03 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before the TBL and bootlickers make excuses for the bumbass cop? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:23:52 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not defending the cop. Classic "not defending" by putting all of the blame and story on the guy that was illegally assaulted and arrested and ignoring the side of the story that is clearly in the wrong. Meh, there are plenty of people here bashing the cop. I saw a good infilled niche for pointing out that first amendment “auditors” are scum. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:25:24 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To save everybody some trouble, it's a video by one of those "audits" douchebags. The audit dudes are fucking annoying, but they sure do show us which cops are complete criminals. So, more power to the auditors. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:26:03 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to see a citation for the idea that the first only applies to those intending to publish. I wish I could remember where I read that. It was pretty recent, and I most likely stumbled on it while Wiki-walking during a related thread here. I think there was a court case cited, but I didn't expect it to be on today's quiz so I just skimmed over it.  I'll try to track it down, but no promises. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:26:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, there are plenty of people here bashing the cop. I saw a good infilled niche for pointing out that first amendment “auditors” are scum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're not defending the cop. Classic "not defending" by putting all of the blame and story on the guy that was illegally assaulted and arrested and ignoring the side of the story that is clearly in the wrong. Meh, there are plenty of people here bashing the cop. I saw a good infilled niche for pointing out that first amendment “auditors” are scum. It only took you four pages to concede that the cop may have violated the auditor's rights. That's impressive. But not as impressive as going back to complaining that the first amendment is providing more protections than ever, which is an odd complaint by the way. PS: Most auditors are irritating. I wish the cops would put them all out of business. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:27:22 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't really matter. One of them came asking for trouble, one came looking for trouble. They both got what they wanted, and probably went home happy. I hope to god you're not a cop. That was a criminal attack on a guy being at worst a dick. So, it is ok to violate the rights of a citizen because they are a dick. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:27:59 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Debatable. My ignore list is getting full of a bunch of JBTs. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:28:02 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Naw. Your buddy is a pos. Hope he loses everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven’t watched the video, I won’t reward the morons who make it with the click revenue. These same guys showed up in front of my workplace nearby a year or so ago. They were total jerks, asked leading questions and made veiled accusations trying to get a negative reaction for them to post online. Please don’t reward their behavior by helping them get paid for these videos. I know the officer personally, I’ve done gun work for him. He’s a solid dude, a good man and this isn’t the first time he’s had to deal with these scumbags. Naw. Your buddy is a pos. Hope he loses everything. Seems to be the case. My kid works at Dove. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:28:45 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "First Amendment auditors" exist because Youtube has a very lucrative monetization policy for anyone who undermines traditional Western civilization such as law enforcement. as long as it shines a light on bad cops, i will gladly pay it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:30:10 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Unfortunately, the cop will likely get away with it. but the tax payers will pay higher taxes to pay for the lawsuit. Good, it should hurt to be that stupid. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:32:20 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. These guys go looking for trouble.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To save everybody some trouble, it's a video by one of those "audits" douchebags. This. These guys go looking for trouble. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:33:01 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t say it's okay, BUT... If you go around asking for trouble, it'll find you. Frankly, this looks like a case of 2 dumbasses colliding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then it's okay? Didn’t say it's okay, BUT... If you go around asking for trouble, it'll find you. Frankly, this looks like a case of 2 dumbasses colliding. Except one is a Cop…. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:33:54 PM EST
[#27]
Oh look, someone looking for confrontation and trouble found some
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:35:14 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My ignore list is getting full of a bunch of JBTs. I call out shitty cop behavior all the fucking time on this site. Hell, back on page 1 or 2 of this fucking thread I said if the cop should be fired or prosecuted, depending on what happened on the rest of the deleted footage. This particular case just happened to involve a class of “people” that I dislike just as much. Lots of camera-gobblers on this site, apparently. Shitty media has done a hell of a lot more damage to our republic in my lifetime than shitty cops. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:36:03 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh look, someone looking for confrontation and trouble found some You're talking about the deputy, right? He's the one that showed up looking for a fight. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:41:29 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a professional, but the other guy shouldn't have put him in a position to violate his rights. Stop making me hurt you! |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:42:20 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't watched the video, I won't reward the morons who make it with the click revenue. These same guys showed up in front of my workplace nearby a year or so ago. They were total jerks, asked leading questions and made veiled accusations trying to get a negative reaction for them to post online. Please don't reward their behavior by helping them get paid for these videos. I know the officer personally, I've done gun work for him. He's a solid dude, a good man and this isn't the first time he's had to deal with these scumbags. edit to add: You say he has dealt these people before yet he isn't smart enough not to fall for their BS I would say not only is a hot headed crooked lying cop he is also pretty fucking stupid |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:44:55 PM EST
[#32]
Before the deputy arrived the 1stAA was assaulted by the dove data employee. The deputy in his haste to white knight for the guy took no time to investigate the 1stAA’s claim. I don’t understand LEO’s problem with someone standing beside the road doing whatever retarded thing they feel like doing. I would politely suggest they move along as I have done countless times. The deputy erasing the video paints a bad picture of his stupidity and integrity all on its own.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:44:57 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your definition of solid and good must be different than mine. Video shows he is a hot head and "If it's true" that he deleted video from the dumbasses camera and charged him with assault he is also a fucking crooked cop and a liar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven't watched the video, I won't reward the morons who make it with the click revenue. These same guys showed up in front of my workplace nearby a year or so ago. They were total jerks, asked leading questions and made veiled accusations trying to get a negative reaction for them to post online. Please don't reward their behavior by helping them get paid for these videos. I know the officer personally, I've done gun work for him. He's a solid dude, a good man and this isn't the first time he's had to deal with these scumbags. Yep. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:46:14 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, I’m not a cop, tried it about 15 ago, didn’t care for it. In fact I’m bashing shitty cops in two other threads in GD right now. I haven’t defended the cop in this thread. Not once. I just expressed my opinion that these “first amendment auditors” are scum, and that has a lot of folks here but hurt. Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if you realize how badly your comments damage your line of work. It's like you are either unwilling to understand how poorly your comments make you look, or you're simply unable to realize that violating people's rights as a LEO undermines western civilization. Lol, I’m not a cop, tried it about 15 ago, didn’t care for it. In fact I’m bashing shitty cops in two other threads in GD right now. I haven’t defended the cop in this thread. Not once. I just expressed my opinion that these “first amendment auditors” are scum, and that has a lot of folks here but hurt. Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? So, if you walk up on some guy out filming in public, and he happens to film you while doing so, you think it's a-ok to kick his ass. Got it.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:51:21 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a professional, but the other guy shouldn't have put him in a position to violate his rights.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:55:02 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Debatable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those guys are annoying douchebags, true, but they aren’t a threat to an orderly society like lying sack of shit cops. Debatable. If anything, they're doing a public service by baiting out POS cops to protect honest Americans. That's a rough job, and until the oft-hypothesized "good apples" start, someone without their badges will have to do it. How does the saying go - it's the man in the arena who counts? Whiny assholes standing on the walls with cameras because polite men won't?
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Posted: 9/14/2022 7:59:42 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta love the GD bootlicking statists Agents of the state. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:02:00 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're talking about the deputy, right? He's the one that showed up looking for a fight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh look, someone looking for confrontation and trouble found some You're talking about the deputy, right? He's the one that showed up looking for a fight. Obviously not a wife beater 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:05:20 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, if you walk up on some guy out filming in public, and he happens to film you while doing so, you think it's a-ok to kick his ass. Got it. Legally? No. Not even close. Morally? If I tell him not to and he keeps on doing it… kinda. Morally when he’s acting like most of these “auditors”… i.e. harassing, annoying, and deliberately trying to provoke a response? You damn betcha. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:08:28 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .., I know the officer personally, I’ve done gun work for him. He’s a solid dude, a good man and this isn’t the first time he’s had to deal with these scumbags. So you’re saying he hasn’t learned any lessons from his past encounters, in how to deal with them? Doesn’t sound very bright to me. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:17:19 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's a professional, but the other guy shouldn't have put him in a position to violate his rights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/confused-britney-spears--83.gif Sarcasm is a skill that most are familiar with, but few master. You are in the presence of a master. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:18:22 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Legally? No. Not even close. Morally? If I tell him not to and he keeps on doing it… kinda. Morally when he’s acting like most of these “auditors”… i.e. harassing, annoying, and deliberately trying to provoke a response? You damn betcha. Then you're a fool and I hope you never run into one. You going to jail and losing your rights would be a huge win for them. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:21:11 PM EST
[#43]
The boot lickers come out of the woodwork on this site. Fucking sad.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:21:31 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the officer's demeanor, it seems pretty clear he wasn't there to just ask a few questions. He intended to intimidate, arrest, and/or assault the auditor from the start. That was my thought as well. The cop was crowding the cameraman with hands in his pockets to initiate a bump and claim he was assaulted. It was personal, otherwise one of the other officers would’ve accompanied him during the interaction. The cop was going to f someone up, his mind was probably made up before arriving at the scene. The others seem to be willing accomplices… ETA: If those auditor types are willing to get their ass kicked to expose bad cops, I’m okay with it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:25:07 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? Here's your answer. Auditors film in public places because they have a pretty good idea that people they film (which they have a right to do, as the courts have ruled there is no expectation of privacy in public-it's how shows like COPS, Live PD, and On Patrol: Live get away with having film crews following cops around) will eventually call the cops. The auditors don't necessarily give a shit about filming that business. They give a shit about filming the police (government) response to their legal behavior. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:25:30 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It only took you four pages to concede that the cop may have violated the auditor's rights. That's impressive. But not as impressive as going back to complaining that the first amendment is providing more protections than ever, which is an odd complaint by the way. PS: Most auditors are irritating. I wish the cops would put them all out of business. I do too! They would put them out of business by walking away. Too difficult to do that though. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:31:19 PM EST
[#47]
At least the good apples stepped in. Like moths to a flame in one easy step.
At least criminals are really stupid, as I have seen posted many times. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:32:51 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know the officer personally, I’ve done gun work for him. He’s a solid dude, a good man and this isn’t the first time he’s had to deal with these scumbags. I hope that you've never done anything that skirts any laws or ATF regs in the process of your "gun work" for him. Your friend seems to have a dim view of constitutional rights - he probably wouldn't hesitate to violently arrest you. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:40:05 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you're a fool and I hope you never run into one. You going to jail and losing your rights would be a huge win for them. Lol. Your concern is noted. Some people do have a modicum of self control, you know. I am perfectly capable of recognizing asshats that deserve a beating without giving it to them. It doesn’t help my blood pressure, but neither would prison. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 8:48:26 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's your answer. Auditors film in public places because they have a pretty good idea that people they film (which they have a right to do, as the courts have ruled there is no expectation of privacy in public-it's how shows like COPS, Live PD, and On Patrol: Live get away with having film crews following cops around) will eventually call the cops. The auditors don't necessarily give a shit about filming that business. They give a shit about filming the police (government) response to their legal behavior. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, for whole class since everyone wants to dance around the question but not actually answer it…. which right was the “auditor” here exercising? Here's your answer. Auditors film in public places because they have a pretty good idea that people they film (which they have a right to do, as the courts have ruled there is no expectation of privacy in public-it's how shows like COPS, Live PD, and On Patrol: Live get away with having film crews following cops around) will eventually call the cops. The auditors don't necessarily give a shit about filming that business. They give a shit about filming the police (government) response to their legal behavior. Sometimes the police get it right, too. Here's a video where the business tried to escalate things by making false accusations about the auditor having a gun, and the police read her the riot act for it. She should have been charged in my opinion, but it's still a win and I'm happy the police involved were able to see what was really going on there, and identify who the actual aggressors were.  Cops Defend Citizen From False 911 Caller And for those that claim the auditors never post videos of the positive encounters:  Good Cop Stands Up For Man's Rights The most amazing part about all if this is how many videos I had to sort through to find these two specific videos I was looking for. There are a LOT of videos out there documenting police interactions, both good and bad. Seriously, don't just take my word for it. Do a search yourself and see how many hits pop up, both good and bad. It's a very long and deep rabbit hole to get lost in, but you can learn a lot of interesting legal trivia along the way. |
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