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Not sure but I think that the FFL does have the right to refuse to sell a firearm to anyone for any reason. Like if the BC takes 3 days, they have the right to proceed with the sale or can it.
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If that is your focus. Stop meat gazing and reread the thread. View Quote Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. |
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Guys, I hate to ruin the flight of fancy going on here, but young people are generally not protected by age-discrimination laws. You generally have to be over 40 and it applies primarily in the context of employment. Rental car companies have been discriminating against those under 25 for ages (pun intended).
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Guys, I hate to ruin the flight of fancy going on here, but young people are generally not protected by age-discrimination laws. You generally have to be over 40 and it applies primarily in the context of employment. Rental car companies have been discriminating against those under 25 for ages (pun intended). View Quote |
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First there is a question I need answered by lawyers here. If Dicks Sporting goods Denys a legal purchaser of a rifle for the sole reason that they are between 18-20 years old. Is that considered and actionable violation of civil rights. If it is, Call them on it. I cannot do it because I am over 21 by quite a bit. But you 18-20 year olds can do us a great service. Walk into dicks dressed nicely, with a hidden camera (im not talking about making a ruckus, you can buy REAL hidden cameras off of amazon for under 100 bucks) And ask to purchase a long gun. When they deny you on company policy, ask them why, let them get on record stating that it is solely because of your age. Then go from there. the object is to either get them to give you a background check (on video) and allow you to purchase the weapon or to violate your civil rights on camera (whether you do or do not purchase is not the issue. GETTING THEM TO FOLD or CALL is). It doesn't really matter the outcome as long as it is on camera. Either they violate their civil rights, or they fold and give you the option to purchase the gun. If they commit to refusing the purchase purchase based solely on you age. I bet NOLO or another one of our esteemed legal experts could make them shit their pants with a civil rights violation suit. View Quote They don't just attack in the courts they come at a situation from all sides. |
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? View Quote |
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I read the thread. Why do I give a fuck what Dicks sporting goods does? I don't trade with them anyhow. Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If that is your focus. Stop meat gazing and reread the thread. Wanting to 'set up' a business for not selling ARs is very 'liberal' of y'all. A FFL needs not give a reason they don't want to sell someone a gun. |
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Make them bake the cake.
The liberals force us to bend, now we need to bend them over. |
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. Refusing to sell based on age when legal is very likely a violation of civil rights laws. |
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This ain't no barkery, son. A FFL doesn't need to articulate a reason for not selling you a gun, it's federal law that he can refuse a sale for whatever reason he wants. I sure wouldn't give a reason. I'd just tell them, "Sorry, fresh out". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Still can't refuse a sale based on Constitutionally protected criteria, no matter what the ATF says. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. View Quote |
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You can't generally rent a car under 25. That is a policy not law.
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I'm not good with most screen names. Are you the lawyer we see teamed up with NOLO often? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I direct you to a bakery in Colorado. While this was an alleged discrimination case, civil rights case similar? |
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There in lay the question. A gun store does not have to say why. That does not preclude the existence of a reason for refusal of a sale being a civil rights violation. Gun stores are largely protected BECAUSE they don't have to disclose why they refused to sell. DICKS has been stupid enough to publicly and clearly state why. And that why is the express purpose of denying a civil right to anyone of the age of 18-20. Now that we KNOW the why, the question becomes, is the why, a violation of civil rights. View Quote |
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Private business, private property, vote with your wallet.
The shit some of y'all occupy time with. ARFCOM, home of countless threads about neighbor disputes and property rights, unless those rights are the right of a business to refuse service. We need 24 hour time outs for people who post "facts" without them actually being "facts" at all in these arguments. Claiming it's a "felony" for a MO FFL to refuse a sale..... just happened to fail to copy and paste the second portion of that "fact", that outlines a dealer and his agents are allowed to exercise their judgement and stop a sale. I'm no Google pro, but come on man, this took 4 minutes: MO Law I'd put up a PMAG for the first person who gets an ATF member to write down that I'm forced to complete a sale if the buyer passes NICS. Go ahead, I'll wait. |
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any lawyers here that can speak to the constitutionality of this sting?
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Their business, their rules. I would argue they can deny a sale of anything, for any reason. View Quote Their store their rules. Which is hypocritical as fuck considering that they went full retard when someone said no to making a cake for gays. But in my perfect world a business can deny you their goods and services for any reason whatsoever. |
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There in lay the question. A gun store does not have to say why. That does not preclude the existence of a reason for refusal of a sale being a civil rights violation. Gun stores are largely protected BECAUSE they don't have to disclose why they refused to sell. DICKS has been stupid enough to publicly and clearly state why. And that why is the express purpose of denying a civil right to anyone of the age of 18-20. Now that we KNOW the why, the question becomes, is the why, a violation of civil rights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Doesn't apply, this would be denying people their rights/discrimination based on age. DICKS has been stupid enough to publicly and clearly state why. And that why is the express purpose of denying a civil right to anyone of the age of 18-20. Now that we KNOW the why, the question becomes, is the why, a violation of civil rights. Paging @Nolo |
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Quoted: Fuck that if we keep playing this high and mighty bullshit we will keep losing. The left has been very successful using tactics like this for 60 years. How much longer are we going to keep losing before we learn? View Quote Even if you find a friendly district, they aren't going to force gun dealers to sell guns. |
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We need a gay, black 20 year old with no criminal record as the plaintiff.
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So we should force all businesses to cater to anyone that comes in? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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in Missouri it is a felony for an FFL to refuse to sell a firearm to someone that is otherwise legal to purchase said firearm View Quote 571.014. Unlawful refusal to transfer by denying sale of a firearm to a nonlicensee, crime of — violation, penalty — inapplicability, when. — 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful refusal to transfer by denying sale of a firearm to a nonlicensee, who is otherwise not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law, solely on the basis that the nonlicensee purchased a firearm that was later the subject of a trace request by law enforcement. 2. Violation of subsection 1 of this section shall be a class A misdemeanor. 3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no federal firearms dealer licensed under 18 U.S.C. Section 923 who engages in the sale of firearms within this state shall fail or refuse to complete the sale of a firearm to a customer in every case in which the sale is authorized by federal law. 4. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any individual federal firearms license holder, his agents, or employees to the extent they chose in their individual judgment to not complete the sale or transfer of a firearm for articulable reasons specific to that transaction, so long as those reasons are not based on the race, gender, religion, creed of the buyer. |
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I'm just going to go put a bunch of stuff in carts in Dick's, stand in line and then abandon my cart once they ring it all up, politely letting them know why as I leave. I figure I'll get away with it a few times at each of the locations in my area before I get banned from each location. If everyone did it we would truly hit them in the pocketbook, as they'd have to pay to restock that stuff.
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