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Sure , 40 trillion cells in one human body active and alive , communicating with each other constantly. 6 Billion humans on earth.. that's a big number of cells replicating and interacting on a immense level.
The DNA deoxyribonucleic acid , is the most vastly complicated molecule known to exist in all of creation. Many scientist today are saying this could have never just evolved. It had to come from a creator , God’s intelligence is immeasurable—because it is unlimited , measurement requires a limit. Charles Darwin de-humanized humanity.. if you buy into his theory your humanity is gone. That crazy old kook was the Bernie Sanders of his day.. how any sane person could believe in him and his evolution is amazing! Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. |
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explain bats.
the inbetween of not having wings, to having wings which would be millions of year, does not make sense. they would be easily picked off. |
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I believe it is a sound theory. But, I don't think it precludes God's hand in it.
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Anyone who tries to point out holes in evolution is a nut, just like a moon landing or 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
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Evolution is pretty obvious if you pay attention to the world around you or read a book. Doesn’t however cover creation, just picks up after “something” was already here, alive. So in gd fashion, get both View Quote Ironically it infuriates both the Creationists and the Evolutionists. So much for "dialogue"..... |
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We can easily see evolution at work in species that change rapidly. The current flu mutates almost daily, and that's evolution happening.
On a somewhat slower scale, we've seen that a butterfly of a certain color, for instance, might get eaten by birds while one that mutates to a different color might survive, successfully reproduce and thrive. That's evolution at work right under our noses ... the butterfly species evolved from red to yellow. You can believe that God created us on the spot and not be in conflict with the concept of evolution. He just allowed everything else to evolve to improve and fit the environment. |
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Food for thought View Quote http://rednuht.org/genetic_cars_2/ If you start 2 different sessions you will even see different strategies emerge from the different populations, then after hundreds of generations you may see them start to converge as the selective pressures even out because of the inherently random terrain generation. We have even observed evolution in less complex organisms and smaller changes in more complex organisms such as humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment 1. Blue eyes didn't exist till about 6-10,000 years ago 2. humans are becoming more disease resistant (not just because of medical science) as it is an increasing selective pressure. 3. We are losing our wisdom teeth because of cranial changes of the last 30,000 years 4. Also because of those cranial changes our average brain volume has shrunk. |
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explain bats. the inbetween of not having wings, to having wings which would be millions of year, does not make sense. they would be easily picked off. View Quote |
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This right here is how my wife, and I agreed to think about it. That way we don't have to argue about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now, did God create us in a blink, then we started changing per the natural order? Or did we evolve over a long time from guppies? That is the hard question. But anyone who denies any kind of evolution with examples like in this video, is an idiot. It is obvious that plants and animals change over time into different forms. |
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LOL....Of the 87 things I need to care about today the battle between Creationism/Evolution is not one of them.
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Serious question. If it was actually proven or able to be proven, why is it still called a theory? Wouldn't it be called the Law of Evolution instead? View Quote A "theory" is an attempt to explain what has been observed, and that explanation should be testable and provide a prediction of the result. |
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Millions of years go by and no real advancement can be seen. We go, as a species, from that to the astounding complexity we live in today in 6 to 10000 years? Why is there no clearly defined lineage in the fossil record?
And has been asked many times, how did the astounding complexity that we see today in the world we live in, come from absolute nothingness. The only planet that we know of that is completely self-sustaining came from nothing..... |
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Millions of years go by and no real advancement can be seen. We go, as a species, from that to the astounding complexity we live in today in 6 to 10000 years? Why is there no clearly defined lineage in the fossil record? And has been asked many times, how did the astounding complexity that we see today in the world we live in, come from absolute nothingness. The only planet that we know of that is completely self-sustaining came from nothing..... View Quote |
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Mutation depends upon new information being introduced into the genome.
DNA is encoded information, like the software that runs computers, but much more complex. Observed (key word) science shows that the mutations we see are from copying errors or breaks in the DNA sequence. These are downward mutations, not upward which would be required for a beneficial mutation. In other words, observation shows that there is no new information being added, so actual macroevolution is not possible. If anybody is interested in reading on the subject, I recommend "Signature in the Cell" (Meyer) and "Darwin's Black Box" (Behe). If you're not interested in reading such books, I can't help you. |
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Evolution occurred. You may want to argue about how life was introduced...at this point, if you want to say God put it here, you can't be proven wrong. But once it was here, it evolved from previous forms to present forms. You may want to argue that God guided this process according to His will and you can't be proven wrong, but the process was there. It's used in all our biological sciences and those sciences work. It can be proven without a doubt that life began at least hundreds of millions of years ago. It can be proven without a doubt that the Earth is billions of years old and the universe even older. It can be proven without a doubt that the vast majority of species that ever lived are dead now and most died millions of years ago. It can be proven without a doubt that humans are more recent than those other species. It can also be proven that many of those species are closely related and share common features. So, if you don't want to believe that evolution occurred, you're left with the scenario that God has been using the Earth as some sort of giant product testing lab, where he created species then killed them off, using similar designs, over hundreds of millions of years, for no apparent reason, until he came up with humans. It makes more sense to me that an all-powerful God, if such a being exists, would allow things to unfold according to circumstances He set in motion initially, with the knowledge that it was going to happen exactly as He wanted it to. View Quote |
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The theory is sound. We are able to affect it in fruits and veggies at a faster rate. It makes sense that things change over time. Humans are even different from what they were several hundred years ago. Size and whatnot. Now, did God create us in a blink, then we started changing per the natural order? Or did we evolve over a long time from guppies? That is the hard question. But anyone who denies any kind of evolution with examples like in this video, is an idiot. It is obvious that plants and animals change over time into different forms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Qly-VQfbo View Quote |
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Millions of years go by and no real advancement can be seen. We go, as a species, from that to the astounding complexity we live in today in 6 to 10000 years? Why is there no clearly defined lineage in the fossil record? And has been asked many times, how did the astounding complexity that we see today in the world we live in, come from absolute nothingness. The only planet that we know of that is completely self-sustaining came from nothing..... View Quote |
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Natural selection is obvious. But i still don't understand how natural selection results in entirely new species.
You've got white rabbits and brown rabbits. the brown rabbits get eaten in the winter because they are easily spotted by predators. eventually only brown rabbits survive and thrive. But neither the brown rabbits or the white rabbits turn into another species. |
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This is an argument i’ve been involved in before and have no desire to get involved in again on here, but one thing I have to point out, you cannot as a Christian who believes in the Bible believe in anything other than biblical creation. View Quote Do consider that those people who saw things, heard things, told their stories, wrote them down, retold them, transcribed them, over and over and over over the ages, often were very, very uneducated by modern standards. People living in the dark ages 2000 years ago can not be counted upon to relay accurate information regarding encounters they had and events that occurred that required understanding of things that had not yet been discovered or taught to others. The biblical story of creation was written by people who could not even conceive of the concept of evolution and when you looked in their minds at the folders marked "science" and the sub-folders marked "archaeology", "genetics", "chemistry", "geology", and so on and so forth, those folders weren't just EMPTY, they weren't there at all. At the time it was written, nothing BUT something as fanciful as a creation story could have been written or accepted. For me to attempt to give you an in-depth education of how to fabricate microprocessors and embed microcode into the logic gates that are mask programmed into them during vapor phase ionic deposition would require you to have a very solid grounding in hardware coding and semiconductor fabrication at the very minimum. It'd go right over your head if I was even qualified to teach the course. For the bible to teach the truth of evolution, the audience would have to be educationally ready to accept the lesson. But we're talking about a bunch of people who thought the elements were air, earth, fire, and water and had no clue the world wasn't flat. You really think that people should believe stories written by sheepherders over 2000 years ago as literal truth when it comes to how our species came to be? Seriously? I do not ridicule your religion. Truly, I don't. But you must consider that scriptures are written from the limited understanding available to those who witnessed and wrote them. TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO. A time at which the average educational level of people in the world was....incalculably low by modern standards. They knew enough to survive. A few better educated ones could even count. But comprehend evolution? Hah! Not hardly! And how can you write about, and teach, something you don't understand and in fact can't even conceive of? My version of god is much smarter and much more powerful than yours. He created the universe and it evolved just the way he wanted it to. THAT is called PLANNING and EXECUTION. You base your belief in creation on the evidence of ONE book. I base my belief in evolution on evidence that is sufficient to fill a large library without any duplicated information. One of those is a much more sensible position than the other. One has abundant evidence. The other is a book of stories with morality lessons that I generally approve of despite its low technical writing level. |
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Every day I care less and less about scientific theories that stem out man's finite mind and care more and more about the implicit truths found in God's word.
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But that is NOT the purview of evolutionary theory. Evolution is the study of how life changed from previous forms to later forms. It is not the study of how life began, really. Whether life came from a chemical reaction or a comet or God, it evolved once it got here.
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Natural selection is obvious. But i still don't understand how natural selection results in entirely new species. You've got white rabbits and brown rabbits. the brown rabbits get eaten in the winter because they are easily spotted by predators. eventually only brown rabbits survive and thrive. But neither the brown rabbits or the white rabbits turn into another species. View Quote |
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Serious question. If it was actually proven or able to be proven, why is it still called a theory? Wouldn't it be called the Law of Evolution instead? View Quote Scientific theories are either strengthened or weakened over time, but they always remain theories and are alway subject to revision at any time with new evidence. They are never "proven". The strongest theories have withstood many challenges over a long time. The theory of evolution is among these. Laws are observed phenomenon. Thus, the law of gravity is what it does. The theory of gravity is why it does it. The theory of gravity will never become the law of gravity. |
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This right here is how my wife, and I agreed to think about it. That way we don't have to argue about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now, did God create us in a blink, then we started changing per the natural order? Or did we evolve over a long time from guppies? That is the hard question. But anyone who denies any kind of evolution with examples like in this video, is an idiot. It is obvious that plants and animals change over time into different forms. |
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Natural selection is obvious. But i still don't understand how natural selection results in entirely new species. You've got white rabbits and brown rabbits. the brown rabbits get eaten in the winter because they are easily spotted by predators. eventually only brown rabbits survive and thrive. But neither the brown rabbits or the white rabbits turn into another species. |
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Natural selection is obvious. But i still don't understand how natural selection results in entirely new species. You've got white rabbits and brown rabbits. the brown rabbits get eaten in the winter because they are easily spotted by predators. eventually only brown rabbits survive and thrive. But neither the brown rabbits or the white rabbits turn into another species. |
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Mutation depends upon new information being introduced into the genome. DNA is encoded information, like the software that runs computers, but much more complex. Observed (key word) science shows that the mutations we see are from copying errors or breaks in the DNA sequence. These are downward mutations, not upward which would be required for a beneficial mutation. In other words, observation shows that there is no new information being added, so actual macroevolution is not possible. If anybody is interested in reading on the subject, I recommend "Signature in the Cell" (Meyer) and "Darwin's Black Box" (Behe). If you're not interested in reading such books, I can't help you. View Quote |
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Do you believe man was created in the image of God? If you reject that notion than some sort of substitute explanation must be substituted or you can have a coke View Quote |
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Adults in the nuclear age asking questions like this is why I have no faith in the long-term future of humanity.
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Evolution can be observed in some instances. For example there is a Moth (in England I believe) that has gone from a grey mottled color to white or cream color. This was observed due to urban development making white a better color.
I can't remember all the details or the exact moth. But this changed occurred in just a few years. |
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Do you like not dying of typhus or cholera or the plague? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Evolution can be observed in some instances. For example there is a Moth (in England I believe) that has gone from a grey mottled color to white or cream color. This was observed due to urban development making white a better color. I can't remember all the details or the exact moth. But this changed occurred in just a few years. View Quote |
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Yeah, no intelligent design here...
Amazing Flagellum : Michael Behe and the Revolution of Intelligent Design |
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Evolution can be observed in some instances. For example there is a Moth (in England I believe) that has gone from a grey mottled color to white or cream color. This was observed due to urban development making white a better color. I can't remember all the details or the exact moth. But this changed occurred in just a few years. |
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That's the question to ask. View Quote Evolution is a process. Creation / the origin of life is an event. Event =/= Process. evolution is silent on the origin of life, by definition. Do not try and conflate the two. This is why Evolution and creation are compatible. They are completely different topics. |
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Quoted: We actually share a LOT of DNA with reptiles. From what I remember in my college genetics class we share 99.9999% of our DNA with other humans, 99% with chimpanzees, 98% with other primates, at least 70% with most other animals (from ants to blue whales), and 50% with the current selectively bred variety of Dessert Bananas. View Quote |
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Anyone who tries to point out holes in evolution is a nut, just like a moon landing or 9/11 conspiracy theorist. View Quote |
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I'm agnostic. I'm not saying that God doesn't exist, but the whole created in his image thing is a little silly. God existed before the Earth, but created us in his image... which just happens to be perfectly suited to do things like walk in gravity, breathe air through a nose, eat food, and excrete waste through our butthole etc. God certainly wouldn't have needed those. He's immortal, exists beyond the confines of this planet, and probably doesn't need to eat or poop. So either God is from an Earth like planet and needs to breathe, eat, poop, etc or... you weren't actually created in his image. View Quote |
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