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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:02:53 PM EST
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I think a political point here is that Trump just made every Republican candidate, sans Cruz, come out and make a statement condemning Trump and praising Muslims; ipso facto aligning themselves with the policy of Hillary, Obama, et al. http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/07/this-is-a-brilliant-move-by-donald-trump/ This is how Trump operates. He's not even the nominee, and he's already forcing every public figure (and media shill) to essentially take a position on immigration, which cannot be parsed. No candidate can weasel around Trump's speech. You either want to close the gate, until we figure out how to sort though foreigners, or you don't. He also (and quite shrewdly) forces phony conservatives to uncloak and reveal their true loyalties. His critics are right about one thing; Trump really is destroying the modern Republican party. Then he's going to replace it with a more populist platform, which I suspect (and hope) will lean left on economic issues (trade, visas, unions) and hard right on social issues. Is it any wonder that neocons are squealing loudest? Not that Trump gives a shit. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:04:44 PM EST
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I hope Trump's security folks are top notch. Good lord. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Users flood Twitter with call for Trump's assassination Jodi @JOODAAYMARIEE
ISIS needs to kill Trump I hope Trump's security folks are top notch. Good lord. I don't think the enemies of America will like what and who replaces Trump if that ever happened. It would make Trump's agenda look reasonable in comparison. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:05:09 PM EST
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Sure thing, up until it's YOUR collateral that gets damaged...  If they are not Americans their collateral damage is not our problem. If they are Americans who are Muslims, who traveled overseas to pal around with shady ass people or groups they should expect an anal probe on return. Just like an Italian who travels over to Italy to pal around with criminals, or a Irishman who goes to Northern Ireland to consort with known supports of the PIRA should expect to have an involuntary meeting with the FBI or some other Fed.gov agency about their trip to the "Home Country". |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:05:24 PM EST
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This is how Trump operates. He's not even the nominee, and he's already forcing every public figure (and media shill) to essentially take a position on immigration, which cannot be parsed. No candidate can weasel around Trump's speech. You either want to close the gate, until we figure out how to sort though foreigners, or you don't. He also (and quite shrewdly) forces phony conservatives to uncloak and reveal their true loyalties. His critics are right about one thing; Trump really is destroying the modern Republican party. Then he's going to replace it with a more populist platform, which I suspect (and hope) will lean left on economic issues (trade, visas, unions) and hard right on social issues. Is it any wonder that neocons are squealing loudest? Not that Trump gives a shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think a political point here is that Trump just made every Republican candidate, sans Cruz, come out and make a statement condemning Trump and praising Muslims; ipso facto aligning themselves with the policy of Hillary, Obama, et al. http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/07/this-is-a-brilliant-move-by-donald-trump/ This is how Trump operates. He's not even the nominee, and he's already forcing every public figure (and media shill) to essentially take a position on immigration, which cannot be parsed. No candidate can weasel around Trump's speech. You either want to close the gate, until we figure out how to sort though foreigners, or you don't. He also (and quite shrewdly) forces phony conservatives to uncloak and reveal their true loyalties. His critics are right about one thing; Trump really is destroying the modern Republican party. Then he's going to replace it with a more populist platform, which I suspect (and hope) will lean left on economic issues (trade, visas, unions) and hard right on social issues. Is it any wonder that neocons are squealing loudest? Not that Trump gives a shit. We have to give it to the guy, he's a master at manipulating the media and his opponents. I've never seen anyone quite like him. No one in my lifetime has ever run a campaign like this. It's exciting to watch if anything! 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:06:49 PM EST
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Trump's proposal seems like a good way to spur the good Muslims into policing their own, if they want to keep coming to America.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:08:27 PM EST
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Trump's proposal seems like a good way to spur the good Muslims into policing their own, if they want to keep coming to America. the "good muslims" don't want to get their heads taken off for being apostates. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:09:10 PM EST
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The muslim Farook, who helped kill 14 American co-workers and injure about 21 others, was an American citizen. Reportedly at least one of the Paris murderers of muslim ideology was a French citizen. It would appear that muslim ideology, which includes killing non-believers, trumps national citizenship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Banning travel from extremist hotbeds for all non-American persons I could get behind. But the moment you want to target American citizens at home like he apparently wants to do. I'm out. The muslim Farook, who helped kill 14 American co-workers and injure about 21 others, was an American citizen. Reportedly at least one of the Paris murderers of muslim ideology was a French citizen. It would appear that muslim ideology, which includes killing non-believers, trumps national citizenship. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:09:36 PM EST
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how about americans who actively support the muslim brotherhood, and its many affiliates, in the United States? Should they be deported or jailed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your kid will then live in a world where the state can imprison him without due process or appeal. Congratulations on that. Sorry. That is just liberal lying. NO ONE has a right to enter the USA. NO ONE has a right to immigrate here. By that I mean non-US citizens. The Muslim ideology is incompatible with Western cultures/countries. We are seeing the destruction of several European countries due to the influx of Muslims. I hate to see those countries be destroyed but the answer is clear. Stop letting Muslims in. Kick out any Muslims who are not citizens. I don't want my country to go down the same path as Germany, France, etc. There are beaucoup Muslim countries where Muslims can go until they fix their own country. That will work better for them and Western countries. Trump is right. He will get a huge boost in polling even though I have seen George S on GMA try to paint this as a good idea by "evangelical." That is nothing more than liberals trying to marginalize people who support Trump. You liberals need to accept the fact that your precious Obama allowed a Muslim killer of Americans into our country. Great "vetting" process Obama. Undefined, the person whose remarks you snipped out, was talking about putting AMERICAN CITIZENS IN PRISON CAMPS FOR BEING MUSLIM. For the sake of his kid, so his kid wouldn't have to live in a USA with too many Muslims in it. how about americans who actively support the muslim brotherhood, and its many affiliates, in the United States? Should they be deported or jailed? If they're breaking a law, sure. That's what due process is. The government accuses someone of breaking it, then has to show a jury a bunch of evidence to that effect. Like in a trial. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:09:44 PM EST
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how about americans who actively support the muslim brotherhood, and its many affiliates, in the United States? Should they be deported or jailed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your kid will then live in a world where the state can imprison him without due process or appeal. Congratulations on that. Sorry. That is just liberal lying. NO ONE has a right to enter the USA. NO ONE has a right to immigrate here. By that I mean non-US citizens. The Muslim ideology is incompatible with Western cultures/countries. We are seeing the destruction of several European countries due to the influx of Muslims. I hate to see those countries be destroyed but the answer is clear. Stop letting Muslims in. Kick out any Muslims who are not citizens. I don't want my country to go down the same path as Germany, France, etc. There are beaucoup Muslim countries where Muslims can go until they fix their own country. That will work better for them and Western countries. Trump is right. He will get a huge boost in polling even though I have seen George S on GMA try to paint this as a good idea by "evangelical." That is nothing more than liberals trying to marginalize people who support Trump. You liberals need to accept the fact that your precious Obama allowed a Muslim killer of Americans into our country. Great "vetting" process Obama. Undefined, the person whose remarks you snipped out, was talking about putting AMERICAN CITIZENS IN PRISON CAMPS FOR BEING MUSLIM. For the sake of his kid, so his kid wouldn't have to live in a USA with too many Muslims in it. how about americans who actively support the muslim brotherhood, and its many affiliates, in the United States? Should they be deported or jailed? Since the left has called NRA MEMBERS terrorists I think anyone who belongs to CAIR etc...should be imprisoned. It's only fair......And before anyone says, "That's just the radical left".... They sure seem to have no problem getting their views printed and aired in the American Media- to an extent that I certainly have never seen skinheads etc...being allowed to pontificate...... But then, that's not part of the agenda, is it? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:14:24 PM EST
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Users flood Twitter with call for Trump's assassination Jodi @JOODAAYMARIEE
ISIS needs to kill Trump He's legit. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:15:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I still don't see how people can argue that keeping terrorists out of the U.S. is a bad thing..only in GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:I still don't see how people can argue that keeping terrorists out of the U.S. is a bad thing..only in GD. Do you think that terrorists are opposed to lying about their religion, when trying to infiltrate into the US? "Curses! The foiled my plans!" Maybe we should just ask them to check the box if they are terrorists. That would keep them all out, right? They're using are laws/rules against us and people are ok with it.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:16:51 PM EST
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Since the left has called NRA MEMBERS terrorists I think anyone who belongs to CAIR etc...should be imprisoned. It's only fair......And before anyone says, "That's just the radical left".... They sure seem to have no problem getting their views printed and aired in the American Media- to an extent that I certainly have never seen skinheads etc...being allowed to pontificate...... But then, that's not part of the agenda, is it? So the radical left and the radical right apparently agree on methods. Just not on the target. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:16:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope Trump's security folks are top notch. Good lord. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Users flood Twitter with call for Trump's assassination Jodi @JOODAAYMARIEE ISIS needs to kill Trump I hope Trump's security folks are top notch. Good lord. If anyone said that about Hillary, there would be many bricks shat and many Twitter users investigated/jailed. Liberals are fucking insane. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:17:44 PM EST
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If they're breaking a law, sure. That's what due process is. The government accuses someone of breaking it, then has to show a jury a bunch of evidence to that effect. Like in a trial. Not according to RICO. So if you are a member of a terrorist organization, but have not personally committed a crime, you are innocent? I don't think thats how it works. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:19:18 PM EST
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So the radical left and the radical right apparently agree on methods. Just not on the target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the left has called NRA MEMBERS terrorists I think anyone who belongs to CAIR etc...should be imprisoned. It's only fair......And before anyone says, "That's just the radical left".... They sure seem to have no problem getting their views printed and aired in the American Media- to an extent that I certainly have never seen skinheads etc...being allowed to pontificate...... But then, that's not part of the agenda, is it? So the radical left and the radical right apparently agree on methods. Just not on the target. NRA members, whose numbers are only slightly less than muslims in the US, probably account for 1/10 of 1% of the crimes committed by muslims. What was the last terrorist act by an NRA member? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:22:20 PM EST
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Not according to RICO. So if you are a member of a terrorist organization, but have not personally committed a crime, you are innocent? I don't think thats how it works. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they're breaking a law, sure. That's what due process is. The government accuses someone of breaking it, then has to show a jury a bunch of evidence to that effect. Like in a trial. Not according to RICO. So if you are a member of a terrorist organization, but have not personally committed a crime, you are innocent? I don't think thats how it works. You're innocent until the government proves otherwise. I can't believe I have to spell this shit out here. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:25:10 PM EST
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'But look at what Jews did in the 80's!'
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:27:29 PM EST
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NRA members, whose numbers are only slightly less than muslims in the US, probably account for 1/10 of 1% of the crimes committed by muslims. What was the last terrorist act by an NRA member? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the left has called NRA MEMBERS terrorists I think anyone who belongs to CAIR etc...should be imprisoned. It's only fair......And before anyone says, "That's just the radical left".... They sure seem to have no problem getting their views printed and aired in the American Media- to an extent that I certainly have never seen skinheads etc...being allowed to pontificate...... But then, that's not part of the agenda, is it? So the radical left and the radical right apparently agree on methods. Just not on the target. NRA members, whose numbers are only slightly less than muslims in the US, probably account for 1/10 of 1% of the crimes committed by muslims. What was the last terrorist act by an NRA member? Oh, don't worry. They will keep pushing until someone obliges them. Again, let it fucking burn. I'm done. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:27:55 PM EST
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You're innocent until the government proves otherwise. I can't believe I have to spell this shit out here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they're breaking a law, sure. That's what due process is. The government accuses someone of breaking it, then has to show a jury a bunch of evidence to that effect. Like in a trial. Not according to RICO. So if you are a member of a terrorist organization, but have not personally committed a crime, you are innocent? I don't think thats how it works. You're innocent until the government proves otherwise. I can't believe I have to spell this shit out here. do you have to prove they personally murdered someone or how about just proving they belong to a terrorist organization? what crime did Anwar al Awlaki commit? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:31:39 PM EST
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do you have to prove they personally murdered someone or how about just proving they belong to a terrorist organization? what crime did Anwar al Awlaki commit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they're breaking a law, sure. That's what due process is. The government accuses someone of breaking it, then has to show a jury a bunch of evidence to that effect. Like in a trial. Not according to RICO. So if you are a member of a terrorist organization, but have not personally committed a crime, you are innocent? I don't think thats how it works. You're innocent until the government proves otherwise. I can't believe I have to spell this shit out here. do you have to prove they personally murdered someone or how about just proving they belong to a terrorist organization? what crime did Anwar al Awlaki commit? Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? Because that's what I was responding to. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:33:24 PM EST
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:35:22 PM EST
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Show me one country where immigration by the MUZZYS has not resulted in a problem? We should stop them from entering and deport every last one of them who does not renounce Islam! If we don't they will out bread us and our grandkids will be dealing with a MUZZY majority. Absofuckinglutelynot. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:40:18 PM EST
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It would seem with Trumps words now is really the time for a real ISIS attack and then lets see who sides with who.
Its going to be a sad day for peaceful Islam. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:43:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThat entire segment was a pile of horseshit. a.) I don't care what was going in the 80's. It's not relevant to the situation today any more than Beta vs. VHS tapes are. b.) People of all religions have carried out some attacks, this does not mean that members of one particular religion are not well known for conducting it as a principle of the faith. c.) Hosts that do nothing but shout over the guests they interview are not terribly interesting and rarely have very useful points to make. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:44:08 PM EST
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No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people.
My point from the very start was that imprisoning Muslims, just for being Muslim, and without a trial conviction of breaking some actual law is wrong. Because some people here are A-OK with that. So you're telling me the terrorist in question had a trial? That he was convicted of an actual crime and jailed for it? Great. Doesn't sound terribly relevant to the discussion tho. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:47:02 PM EST
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My point from the very start was that imprisoning Muslims, just for being Muslim, and without a trial conviction of breaking some actual law is wrong. Because some people here are A-OK with that. So you're telling me the terrorist in question had a trial? That he was convicted of an actual crime and jailed for it? Great. Doesn't sound terribly relevant to the discussion tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people.
My point from the very start was that imprisoning Muslims, just for being Muslim, and without a trial conviction of breaking some actual law is wrong. Because some people here are A-OK with that. So you're telling me the terrorist in question had a trial? That he was convicted of an actual crime and jailed for it? Great. Doesn't sound terribly relevant to the discussion tho. lol. you could at least wiki him. you have no idea what i am talking about because you don't know the subject at hand. who called for imprisoning all muslims? that was YOUR strawman. is the muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization or not? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:47:30 PM EST
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No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Have they been designated as such by the US Government? If not, being a member is not against the "Law." |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:51:10 PM EST
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lol. you could at least wiki him. you have no idea what i am talking about because you don't know the subject at hand. who called for imprisoning all muslims? that was YOUR strawman. is the muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization or not? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people.
My point from the very start was that imprisoning Muslims, just for being Muslim, and without a trial conviction of breaking some actual law is wrong. Because some people here are A-OK with that. So you're telling me the terrorist in question had a trial? That he was convicted of an actual crime and jailed for it? Great. Doesn't sound terribly relevant to the discussion tho. lol. you could at least wiki him. you have no idea what i am talking about because you don't know the subject at hand. who called for imprisoning all muslims? that was YOUR strawman. is the muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization or not? Actually, it was cincy's exaggeration for the sake of argument... and then undefined agreed with it. But you'd know that if you actually read the discussion you jumped into the middle of. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:52:23 PM EST
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Have they been designated as such by the US Government? If not, being a member is not against the "Law." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Have they been designated as such by the US Government? If not, being a member is not against the "Law." oh, i know. but the fact is the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. do you agree or disagree? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:53:15 PM EST
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Actually, it was cincy's exaggeration for the sake of argument... and then undefined agreed with it. But you'd know that if you actually read the discussion you jumped into the middle of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people.
My point from the very start was that imprisoning Muslims, just for being Muslim, and without a trial conviction of breaking some actual law is wrong. Because some people here are A-OK with that. So you're telling me the terrorist in question had a trial? That he was convicted of an actual crime and jailed for it? Great. Doesn't sound terribly relevant to the discussion tho. lol. you could at least wiki him. you have no idea what i am talking about because you don't know the subject at hand. who called for imprisoning all muslims? that was YOUR strawman. is the muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization or not? Actually, it was cincy's exaggeration for the sake of argument... and then undefined agreed with it. But you'd know that if you actually read the discussion you jumped into the middle of. oh. so the strawman cincy drew up you implied I agree with. Your comprehension, as well as your education on this subject is sorely lacking. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:54:49 PM EST
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oh, i know. but the fact is the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. do you agree or disagree? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Have they been designated as such by the US Government? If not, being a member is not against the "Law." oh, i know. but the fact is the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. do you agree or disagree? It's a legal definition, not a feeling. My describing them as a terrorist organization has as much value as Piers Morgan describing the NRA as one. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:59:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a legal definition, not a feeling. My describing them as a terrorist organization has as much value as Piers Morgan describing the NRA as one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you saying being Muslim makes you belong to a terrorist organization? No. I am saying being a part of the muslim brotherhood means you belong to a terrorist organization. Now, answer my fucking question. and please tell me how he was convicted. I can't BELIEVE I have to explain this to some people. Have they been designated as such by the US Government? If not, being a member is not against the "Law." oh, i know. but the fact is the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. do you agree or disagree? It's a legal definition, not a feeling. My describing them as a terrorist organization has as much value as Piers Morgan describing the NRA as one. True, they are, however, a group who has been shown to support terrorists. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:00:15 PM EST
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Do you think that terrorists are opposed to lying about their religion, when trying to infiltrate into the US? "Curses! The foiled my plans!" Maybe we should just ask them to check the box if they are terrorists. That would keep them all out, right? This is a poor argument that is being repeated. A large part of the problem are not those who come in with a plan to engage in terror but those who decide to do so after coming here. The Boston bombing, the male SB shooter, the Fort Hood shooter. Along with their counterparts in Europe. Simply annoucing we reject Muslim immigrants would reduce Muslim immigration. Hence, the pool of potential terrorists would be reduced. Direct immigration from places like Syria could require some level of evidence those coming here are not Muslim. I don't believe in a full stop, but I also don't believe in treating Muslims immigration the same way we treat immigration of Christians. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:02:51 PM EST
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Trump is controlling the narrative. He is owning the Repubs, Dems, and media. Every one of them follows his lead.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:11:29 PM EST
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oh. so the strawman cincy drew up you implied I agree with. Your comprehension, as well as your education on this subject is sorely lacking. you responded to me about a point I made to another poster about his support for imprisoning Muslims for being Muslim. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:20:15 PM EST
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Rush Limbaugh delivered an amazing monologue on Trump today. Here's an excerpt:
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Meanwhile, I've never said anything like anything Trump says. But despite it all they can't take him out. They can't stop covering him. They can't humiliate him. They can't embarrass him. They can't diminish his support. They're powerless, and this has them in a panic. The media that can make-or-break anybody cannot touch Trump, and every time they try, all they do is make him bigger. They can't explain this. They are frustrated to no end, and so are both political parties who rely on the media to be the great equalizer in all of this. ... This latest Donald Trump episode is a glittering, glaring example of how he is playing the media like a Stradivarius. And I tell you, folks, for all of you people who have complained and whined and moaned about the media over the years, and how unfair they are to Republicans and how unfair that makes the whole process and, "What are we gonna do?" You need to be studying Donald Trump. I don't care whether you think what he says is outrageous or wrong or whatever. That's the wrong way to look at this right now. This latest quote/unquote "outrage" from Trump is a perfect example of how he plays the media, how he knows exactly what to do and how to do it to own their attention and airtime. He says things that he knows will drive them crazy. He says things over and over that he knows will drive them insane, and then when they go insane, he doubles down on it and drives them even crazier. He also knows that his audience is in on what he is doing. He knows that a lot of Americans agree, to a certain extent, with things that he says. He also knows he's the only one reaching those people. And then he sits back and watches (no doubt with a huge smile) the media cover what he says over and over and over and over again. Then they analyze it over and over and over, and they talk about it over and over and over again. He's confident that a lot of his voters are gonna be able to strip away the bombast and be able to get to the nuts and bolts of what he's saying, the kernel of truth of what he's saying. In the meantime, he ends up occupying political positions exclusively that many support. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:28:03 PM EST
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This is how Trump operates. He's not even the nominee, and he's already forcing every public figure (and media shill) to essentially take a position on immigration, which cannot be parsed. No candidate can weasel around Trump's speech. You either want to close the gate, until we figure out how to sort though foreigners, or you don't. He also (and quite shrewdly) forces phony conservatives to uncloak and reveal their true loyalties. His critics are right about one thing; Trump really is destroying the modern Republican party. Then he's going to replace it with a more populist platform, which I suspect (and hope) will lean left on economic issues (trade, visas, unions) and hard right on social issues. Is it any wonder that neocons are squealing loudest? Not that Trump gives a shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think a political point here is that Trump just made every Republican candidate, sans Cruz, come out and make a statement condemning Trump and praising Muslims; ipso facto aligning themselves with the policy of Hillary, Obama, et al. http://www.redstate.com/2015/12/07/this-is-a-brilliant-move-by-donald-trump/ This is how Trump operates. He's not even the nominee, and he's already forcing every public figure (and media shill) to essentially take a position on immigration, which cannot be parsed. No candidate can weasel around Trump's speech. You either want to close the gate, until we figure out how to sort though foreigners, or you don't. He also (and quite shrewdly) forces phony conservatives to uncloak and reveal their true loyalties. His critics are right about one thing; Trump really is destroying the modern Republican party. Then he's going to replace it with a more populist platform, which I suspect (and hope) will lean left on economic issues (trade, visas, unions) and hard right on social issues. Is it any wonder that neocons are squealing loudest? Not that Trump gives a shit. I think (at least hope) that you got those (highlighted text) backwards. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:29:51 PM EST
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It's a legal definition, not a feeling. My describing them as a terrorist organization has as much value as Piers Morgan describing the NRA as one. weasel answer. and not valid in any regard. three part test. you tell me where they fail to meet the definition. It must be a foreign organization. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:32:10 PM EST
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Rush Limbaugh delivered an amazing monologue on Trump today. Here's an excerpt: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media Quote HistoryQuoted:
Rush Limbaugh delivered an amazing monologue on Trump today. Here's an excerpt: ...
Meanwhile, I've never said anything like anything Trump says. But despite it all they can't take him out. They can't stop covering him. They can't humiliate him. They can't embarrass him. They can't diminish his support. They're powerless, and this has them in a panic. The media that can make-or-break anybody cannot touch Trump, and every time they try, all they do is make him bigger. They can't explain this. They are frustrated to no end, and so are both political parties who rely on the media to be the great equalizer in all of this. ... This latest Donald Trump episode is a glittering, glaring example of how he is playing the media like a Stradivarius. And I tell you, folks, for all of you people who have complained and whined and moaned about the media over the years, and how unfair they are to Republicans and how unfair that makes the whole process and, "What are we gonna do?" You need to be studying Donald Trump. I don't care whether you think what he says is outrageous or wrong or whatever. That's the wrong way to look at this right now. This latest quote/unquote "outrage" from Trump is a perfect example of how he plays the media, how he knows exactly what to do and how to do it to own their attention and airtime. He says things that he knows will drive them crazy. He says things over and over that he knows will drive them insane, and then when they go insane, he doubles down on it and drives them even crazier. He also knows that his audience is in on what he is doing. He knows that a lot of Americans agree, to a certain extent, with things that he says. He also knows he's the only one reaching those people. And then he sits back and watches (no doubt with a huge smile) the media cover what he says over and over and over and over again. Then they analyze it over and over and over, and they talk about it over and over and over again. He's confident that a lot of his voters are gonna be able to strip away the bombast and be able to get to the nuts and bolts of what he's saying, the kernel of truth of what he's saying. In the meantime, he ends up occupying political positions exclusively that many support. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media And there it is. Nobody actually believes what Trump says is possible or will ever happen. But it is his way of saying "Fuck Illegal Immigrants!", "Fuck Radical Muslims" and many will agree with him. We obviously can't prevent muslims from entering our country, nor should we. We most certainly can prevent people from certain countries that are strongly aligned with Islamic terrorism. We are at war, and we should chose to not invite our enemies to our house. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:36:03 PM EST
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This is a poor argument that is being repeated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you think that terrorists are opposed to lying about their religion, when trying to infiltrate into the US? "Curses! The foiled my plans!" Maybe we should just ask them to check the box if they are terrorists. That would keep them all out, right? This is a poor argument that is being repeated. A large part of the problem are not those who come in with a plan to engage in terror but those who decide to do so after coming here. The Boston bombing, the male SB shooter, the Fort Hood shooter. Along with their counterparts in Europe. Simply annoucing we reject Muslim immigrants would reduce Muslim immigration. Hence, the pool of potential terrorists would be reduced. Direct immigration from places like Syria could require some level of evidence those coming here are not Muslim. I don't believe in a full stop, but I also don't believe in treating Muslims immigration the same way we treat immigration of Christians. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:37:58 PM EST
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And there it is. Nobody actually believes what Trump says is possible or will ever happen. But it is his way of saying "Fuck Illegal Immigrants!", "Fuck Radical Muslims" and many will agree with him. We obviously can't prevent muslims from entering our country, nor should we. We most certainly can prevent people from certain countries that are strongly aligned with Islamic terrorism. We are at war, and we should chose to not invite our enemies to our house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rush Limbaugh delivered an amazing monologue on Trump today. Here's an excerpt: ...
Meanwhile, I've never said anything like anything Trump says. But despite it all they can't take him out. They can't stop covering him. They can't humiliate him. They can't embarrass him. They can't diminish his support. They're powerless, and this has them in a panic. The media that can make-or-break anybody cannot touch Trump, and every time they try, all they do is make him bigger. They can't explain this. They are frustrated to no end, and so are both political parties who rely on the media to be the great equalizer in all of this. ... This latest Donald Trump episode is a glittering, glaring example of how he is playing the media like a Stradivarius. And I tell you, folks, for all of you people who have complained and whined and moaned about the media over the years, and how unfair they are to Republicans and how unfair that makes the whole process and, "What are we gonna do?" You need to be studying Donald Trump. I don't care whether you think what he says is outrageous or wrong or whatever. That's the wrong way to look at this right now. This latest quote/unquote "outrage" from Trump is a perfect example of how he plays the media, how he knows exactly what to do and how to do it to own their attention and airtime. He says things that he knows will drive them crazy. He says things over and over that he knows will drive them insane, and then when they go insane, he doubles down on it and drives them even crazier. He also knows that his audience is in on what he is doing. He knows that a lot of Americans agree, to a certain extent, with things that he says. He also knows he's the only one reaching those people. And then he sits back and watches (no doubt with a huge smile) the media cover what he says over and over and over and over again. Then they analyze it over and over and over, and they talk about it over and over and over again. He's confident that a lot of his voters are gonna be able to strip away the bombast and be able to get to the nuts and bolts of what he's saying, the kernel of truth of what he's saying. In the meantime, he ends up occupying political positions exclusively that many support. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media And there it is. Nobody actually believes what Trump says is possible or will ever happen. But it is his way of saying "Fuck Illegal Immigrants!", "Fuck Radical Muslims" and many will agree with him. We obviously can't prevent muslims from entering our country, nor should we. We most certainly can prevent people from certain countries that are strongly aligned with Islamic terrorism. We are at war, and we should chose to not invite our enemies to our house. Actually we can cut the numbers down to damn near nothing...or just stop immigration period....which would be the same as a ban on muslims...and everyone else. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:39:30 PM EST
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Actually we can cut the numbers down to damn near nothing...or just stop immigration period....which would be the same as a ban on muslims...and everyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rush Limbaugh delivered an amazing monologue on Trump today. Here's an excerpt: ...
Meanwhile, I've never said anything like anything Trump says. But despite it all they can't take him out. They can't stop covering him. They can't humiliate him. They can't embarrass him. They can't diminish his support. They're powerless, and this has them in a panic. The media that can make-or-break anybody cannot touch Trump, and every time they try, all they do is make him bigger. They can't explain this. They are frustrated to no end, and so are both political parties who rely on the media to be the great equalizer in all of this. ... This latest Donald Trump episode is a glittering, glaring example of how he is playing the media like a Stradivarius. And I tell you, folks, for all of you people who have complained and whined and moaned about the media over the years, and how unfair they are to Republicans and how unfair that makes the whole process and, "What are we gonna do?" You need to be studying Donald Trump. I don't care whether you think what he says is outrageous or wrong or whatever. That's the wrong way to look at this right now. This latest quote/unquote "outrage" from Trump is a perfect example of how he plays the media, how he knows exactly what to do and how to do it to own their attention and airtime. He says things that he knows will drive them crazy. He says things over and over that he knows will drive them insane, and then when they go insane, he doubles down on it and drives them even crazier. He also knows that his audience is in on what he is doing. He knows that a lot of Americans agree, to a certain extent, with things that he says. He also knows he's the only one reaching those people. And then he sits back and watches (no doubt with a huge smile) the media cover what he says over and over and over and over again. Then they analyze it over and over and over, and they talk about it over and over and over again. He's confident that a lot of his voters are gonna be able to strip away the bombast and be able to get to the nuts and bolts of what he's saying, the kernel of truth of what he's saying. In the meantime, he ends up occupying political positions exclusively that many support. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/08/how_donald_trump_plays_the_media And there it is. Nobody actually believes what Trump says is possible or will ever happen. But it is his way of saying "Fuck Illegal Immigrants!", "Fuck Radical Muslims" and many will agree with him. We obviously can't prevent muslims from entering our country, nor should we. We most certainly can prevent people from certain countries that are strongly aligned with Islamic terrorism. We are at war, and we should chose to not invite our enemies to our house. Actually we can cut the numbers down to damn near nothing...or just stop immigration period....which would be the same as a ban on muslims...and everyone else. A total moratorium on immigration for a few years doesn't seem like a totally bad idea, at least until we can get some things sorted out so that when immigration is resumed it will be done legally (with quotas like in the past) and safely. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:42:02 PM EST
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weasel answer. and not valid in any regard. three part test. you tell me where they fail to meet the definition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a legal definition, not a feeling. My describing them as a terrorist organization has as much value as Piers Morgan describing the NRA as one. weasel answer. and not valid in any regard. three part test. you tell me where they fail to meet the definition. It must be a foreign organization. The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism. The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States. They must be officially placed on the list OR the individual member must have committed an act. It's very simple. "Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended." You can argue that an organization SHOULD be on the list, but if the Secretary of State does not officially designate them as such, the fact that you believe they qualify means less than nothing. Personally, I would be happy if everyone in the Muslim Brotherhood were to be killed. Every last one of them. But that doesn't change the way the law works. Feelings don't work that way. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:45:04 PM EST
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TRUMP/CRUZ 2016! |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:46:29 PM EST
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TRUMP/CRUZ 2016! I find it telling Cruz is hedging on Trump's Muslim immigration idea. It's almost like he doesn't want to burn the Trump bridge in the event Trump get's the nomination and Cruz wants to be his VP. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:48:33 PM EST
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This is a poor argument that is being repeated. A large part of the problem are not those who come in with a plan to engage in terror but those who decide to do so after coming here. The Boston bombing, the male SB shooter, the Fort Hood shooter. Along with their counterparts in Europe. Simply annoucing we reject Muslim immigrants would reduce Muslim immigration. Hence, the pool of potential terrorists would be reduced. Direct immigration from places like Syria could require some level of evidence those coming here are not Muslim. I don't believe in a full stop, but I also don't believe in treating Muslims immigration the same way we treat immigration of Christians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you think that terrorists are opposed to lying about their religion, when trying to infiltrate into the US? "Curses! The foiled my plans!" Maybe we should just ask them to check the box if they are terrorists. That would keep them all out, right? This is a poor argument that is being repeated. A large part of the problem are not those who come in with a plan to engage in terror but those who decide to do so after coming here. The Boston bombing, the male SB shooter, the Fort Hood shooter. Along with their counterparts in Europe. Simply annoucing we reject Muslim immigrants would reduce Muslim immigration. Hence, the pool of potential terrorists would be reduced. Direct immigration from places like Syria could require some level of evidence those coming here are not Muslim. I don't believe in a full stop, but I also don't believe in treating Muslims immigration the same way we treat immigration of Christians. Immigration should be as easy as exercising your 2nd Amendment rights in NYC....or Washington D.C. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:48:40 PM EST
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I find it telling Cruz is hedging on Trump's Muslim immigration idea. It's almost like he doesn't want to burn the Trump bridge in the event Trump get's the nomination and Cruz wants to be his VP. Cruz is not maneuvering to become Trump's VP. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:49:35 PM EST
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Cruz is not maneuvering to become Trump's VP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it telling Cruz is hedging on Trump's Muslim immigration idea. It's almost like he doesn't want to burn the Trump bridge in the event Trump get's the nomination and Cruz wants to be his VP. Cruz is not maneuvering to become Trump's VP. Maybe not but it leaves open the door should Trump manage to get the nomination (which who knows at this point - this primary season is nuts). |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:50:52 PM EST
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Cruz is not maneuvering to become Trump's VP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it telling Cruz is hedging on Trump's Muslim immigration idea. It's almost like he doesn't want to burn the Trump bridge in the event Trump get's the nomination and Cruz wants to be his VP. Cruz is not maneuvering to become Trump's VP. No, but he may just have to settle for it. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:52:15 PM EST
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He has my vote.
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