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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:05:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But the federal government has responsibilities. Foreign Trade and National Security/Border Enforcement being the two most important. And Trump is correct, and solely correct, on both of those. I don't expect some provincial subject to understand. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:17:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't you people in the process of banning more guns? 
JTurd wants to ban all handguns. It's fucking disgusting. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:20:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Akins Accelerator. Why weren't all ARs banned? Imagine a different ATF under President Harris, Booker, or an agency that existed between the GCA '68 and FOPA '86. If they can do this now, they can do a lot more later. My point is that if footage of 200 people getting shot by a mad man using a weapon that fires fast is all it takes then we are either one or more mass shootings away from losing everything. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:28:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is that if footage of 200 people getting shot by a mad man using a weapon that fires fast is all it takes then we are either one or more mass shootings away from losing everything. Yeah. they are going to go door to door and round up all the guns if vegas happens again unless we stop an administrative ruling on bump stocks. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:34:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. But if he loses I don't think the next day Trump is going to issue an order to seize all ARs, either. You must explain what are the fundamental differences between the bump stock and akins accelerator before I am going to get my panties in a twist. I would also like an explanation why nobody freaked the fuck out on the latter. It's the next administration and the one after that which worries me. The fundamental difference between the A.A. and a bumpstock is the argument that one falls under the current definition of a machine gun and the other does not. We know that because the ATF/DOJ is expanding the CFR to cover what it didn't cover before. That doesn't mean it was a solid argument for the A.A. but at least it made sense. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:42:16 PM EST
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It's not Trump that has me worried. If this goes through, I don't imagine the ATF will even go after the damn things while Trump is in office and if they do, it will be a half-hearted effort at best. It's the next administration and the one after that which worries me. The fundamental difference between the A.A. and a bumpstock is the argument that one falls under the current definition of a machine gun and the other does not. We know that because the ATF/DOJ is expanding the CFR to cover what it didn't cover before. That doesn't mean it was a solid argument for the A.A. but at least it made sense. whether by recoil or by springs notwithstanding. the next administration is going to do whatever it feels like. you think they are going to look at trump and say "ah ha! Now I have precedent?" no. gun banners will get away with as much as they think they can. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:46:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that is your point, your point is stupid. Yeah. they are going to go door to door and round up all the guns if vegas happens again unless we stop an administrative ruling on bump stocks. Roll your eyes all you want but if that doesn't scare the shit out of you then either you aren't paying attention or you don't fully grasp the nature of what is unfolding before us. Oh and they probably won't go door to door although ATF has done door to door in the past. No, they will probably do what they always do and just pick people off, one by one. It's a just a federal felony that almost always carries jail time, a massive financial burden, and a whole host of other world shattering issues. No biggie.
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:50:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AA does the same thing as a bumpstock. Using the movement of the weapon to reset the trigger to mimick automatic fire without meeting the 34 NFA definition because the trigger is reset and re-engaged each time. whether by recoil or by springs notwithstanding. the next administration is going to do whatever it feels like. you think they are going to look at trump and say "ah ha! Now I have precedent?" no. gun banners will get away with as much as they think they can. And you're STILL missing the main point that the problem here is that they're rewriting the law at all. George Bush didn't go to the ATF and direct them to change the definition of the law. Donald Trump did. That's the problem. That's the bad precedent that's being set. Do you seriously not get this? If the NFA's definition of a Machine gun can now be administratively rewritten to include any device that increases the rate of fire of a gun, then what's to stop another President from administratively rewriting it to include a definition about trigger weights or magazine capacities or anything else that the law as passed makes no mention of? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:55:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AA does the same thing as a bumpstock. Using the movement of the weapon to reset the trigger to mimick automatic fire without meeting the 34 NFA definition because the trigger is reset and re-engaged each time. whether by recoil or by springs notwithstanding. the next administration is going to do whatever it feels like. you think they are going to look at trump and say "ah ha! Now I have precedent?" no. gun banners will get away with as much as they think they can. With that said, that doesn't mean I buy ATF's argument on the A.A. but at least they made an argument that didn't involve expanding the statute. As for your point on the precedent of all of this: have you been following the legal battle and nonsense that has ensued over DACA? That's a recent example and not even a great one as that wasn't a CFR change, as far as I can recall. This is dangerous for a lot of reasons that transcend bump stocks and was totally and completely unnecessary. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 6:43:16 PM EST
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None of these devices increase the rate of fire from AR's, the gun will shoot that same rate with or without a aid, it increased the rate in which a human can pull the trigger, the gun has always been capable of doing it.
So banning them is in fact regulating us and not the aid. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:19:46 PM EST
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Jesus, for everything brilliant he does, he falls for the biggest nothingburgers when it comes to firearms. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:25:04 PM EST
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Jesus, for everything brilliant he does, he falls for the biggest nothingburgers when it comes to firearms. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:26:58 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:38:51 PM EST
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I'm not about to defend Trumplethinskin, but Bush promised to renew the AWB, if it was passed, long before the election. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:46:23 PM EST
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Akins Accelerator. Why weren't all ARs banned? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what we lose when somebody takes a belt fed AR-15 or any other semi-auto and uses a wooden dowel (or their fingers) to accomplish the same result. If we can lose bump stocks because "OMG IT FIRES FAST" then we have already lost the game. Why weren't all ARs banned? At least with a straight face? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 8:49:19 PM EST
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AA does the same thing as a bumpstock. Using the movement of the weapon to reset the trigger to mimick automatic fire without meeting the 34 NFA definition because the trigger is reset and re-engaged each time. whether by recoil or by springs notwithstanding. the next administration is going to do whatever it feels like. you think they are going to look at trump and say "ah ha! Now I have precedent?" no. gun banners will get away with as much as they think they can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not Trump that has me worried. If this goes through, I don't imagine the ATF will even go after the damn things while Trump is in office and if they do, it will be a half-hearted effort at best. It's the next administration and the one after that which worries me. The fundamental difference between the A.A. and a bumpstock is the argument that one falls under the current definition of a machine gun and the other does not. We know that because the ATF/DOJ is expanding the CFR to cover what it didn't cover before. That doesn't mean it was a solid argument for the A.A. but at least it made sense. whether by recoil or by springs notwithstanding. the next administration is going to do whatever it feels like. you think they are going to look at trump and say "ah ha! Now I have precedent?" no. gun banners will get away with as much as they think they can. You are strangely comfortable with incrementally losing our rights. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:10:12 PM EST
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Both the A.A. and bump stocks "do the same thing" as a machine gun: the get/allow the firearm to fire at it's cyclic rate. That's not the point and the moment it becomes the point is the moment we LOSE all firearms capable of firing fast. Under current statute, the METHOD is what counts. With that said, that doesn't mean I buy ATF's argument on the A.A. but at least they made an argument that didn't involve expanding the statute. As for your point on the precedent of all of this: have you been following the legal battle and nonsense that has ensued over DACA? That's a recent example and not even a great one as that wasn't a CFR change, as far as I can recall. This is dangerous for a lot of reasons that transcend bump stocks and was totally and completely unnecessary. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:11:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll get away with only as much as we let them get away with. You are strangely comfortable with incrementally losing our rights. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:14:00 PM EST
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well, you go vote from the rooftops then before they pry your bump stock from your cold dead hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They’ll get away with only as much as we let them get away with. You are strangely comfortable with incrementally losing our rights. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:19:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There you go being ridiculous again. And I'm the ridiculous one? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:28:53 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not the only one convinced that if we give up on bump stocks they are going to round up all the guns the next day because slippery slope. And I'm the ridiculous one? The President is proposing to change the text of a law passed by congress after it's been passed. That's the issue. That's why this is a huge problem. This isn't the ATF making a capricious ruling about what constitutes "a single function of the trigger." This is the President directing the ATF to promulgate a regulatory proposal that redefines what a National Firearms Act machine gun is. In essence, the President is directing an executive branch agency to rewrite the law more to his liking. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 10:11:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not the only one convinced that if we give up on bump stocks they are going to round up all the guns the next day because slippery slope. And I'm the ridiculous one? They're cruising youtube and even this very website for opposition research looking for what to ban next. You can kiss any magazine over 10 rounds good bye, any custom trigger or even the modification of a trigger goodbye. They're evolving their focus on EVERYTHING There's 2 choices. Stand firm and not capitulate like a bitch who has to appease a scorned wife. Or Convince those fucking retards to focus on the criminals and not the implements. Me? I've been arguing their mental gymnastics elsewhere one at a time getting them to see the stupidity in focusing on firearms, and how their bullshit good feels policy, pandering to criminals and psychopaths with bullshit like Promise Program which is directly responsible for Parkland in Florida. You can follow through and do your part this coming election cycle and go vote for someone who won't capitulate. You want to toss those fuckers a bone to appease them? It never fucking works! Ever! When will you learn? How many states have to fall before you wake the fuck up and realise the more you're willing to forfeit the more they're willing to take?! We should all be on the offensive in getting those lemming fucks focused on the shit birds in society, not us. Followed by pushing congress and Senate to repeal the Hughes amendment at the very least while the lemmings are re-educated and distracted. Throw them bumpstocks that will shut them up... What's next? Geissele? Hiperfire? Shockwaves? Sig braces? AR pistols? Magazines? Bird cages? Do you want California or NY? Because that's how you get California or NY. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:46:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now we are to believe the facade that judges care about the law? |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:58:21 AM EST
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I really don't care what they pass, propose or publish, I am to damn old, they can write a an illegal law or they can pass it and all I can say is come and get it, because after almost 27 years in the Army, I still recognize and honor my oath and I still know what I put my life in harms way for.
When I signed that paper in '79 I knew what I was fighting for and when I got out in 2006 I still knew what I am fighting for so that has not changed no matter who has been in office and like I said, I am to damn old to change now. I didn't forget my oath because I retired. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 3:17:14 AM EST
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Judges do care about the law; just not the law you and I care about. Things like this don't help our cause and only serve to frustrate any attempt to maintain the status quo to say nothing of forward progress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:00:01 AM EST
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:26:31 AM EST
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Yes. Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? Seems to me a fair and not totally biased person would respond with "good point" yet you said nothing in response. Why is that? |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:26:39 AM EST
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:27:43 AM EST
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Words do matter.
Just ask the Floridians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets?
Just ask the Floridians. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:28:22 AM EST
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Yeah, you got nothing, as always. Go away junior. Some of us remember recent history because we were there, not playing with our toys and eating hot pockets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:52:53 AM EST
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You are not the only one convinced that if we give up on bump stocks they are going to round up all the guns the next day because slippery slope. And I'm the ridiculous one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There you go being ridiculous again. And I'm the ridiculous one? You are better than this. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:57:30 AM EST
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One day you will be able to vote for a Bush again, and your life's prophesy will be fulfilled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 5:59:49 AM EST
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Targettarget…...how come you didn't reply to this answer of your question? Seems to me a fair and not totally biased person would respond with "good point" yet you said nothing in response. Why is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? Seems to me a fair and not totally biased person would respond with "good point" yet you said nothing in response. Why is that? Key point... words are not actions, but sometimes words describe his actions, and when he's using those words and actions to further erode our rights, that's where it becomes trouble. If Trump was simply twitter-taunting the left I'd think it was only moderately annoying, occasionally humorous. But that's not always the case. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:01:04 AM EST
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Yes, because after all the years you've been here, you still cannot grasp the concept of incrementalism. That our rights are being nibbled at daily (occasionally bigger bites are taken) so let's make a big stink about every single bite. You are better than this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:01:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Easy there... listen, love the guy, but DK Prof is a bit off base here. My issue is not with Trump tweeting things. It's the content of those tweets that bothers me, because in cases like this, he's tweeting that he directed the ATF to take another look at bumpfire stocks etc. Key point... words are not actions, but sometimes words describe his actions, and when he's using those words and actions to further erode our rights, that's where it becomes trouble. If Trump was simply tritter-taunting the left I'd think it was only moderately annoying, occasionally humorous. But that's not always the case. So was DKProf's though because, in the end, action speaks louder than words...…….generally. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:02:55 AM EST
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Banned or still looking into?
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:07:50 AM EST
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Good point. So was DKProf's though because, in the end, action speaks louder than words...…….generally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Easy there... listen, love the guy, but DK Prof is a bit off base here. My issue is not with Trump tweeting things. It's the content of those tweets that bothers me, because in cases like this, he's tweeting that he directed the ATF to take another look at bumpfire stocks etc. Key point... words are not actions, but sometimes words describe his actions, and when he's using those words and actions to further erode our rights, that's where it becomes trouble. If Trump was simply tritter-taunting the left I'd think it was only moderately annoying, occasionally humorous. But that's not always the case. So was DKProf's though because, in the end, action speaks louder than words...…….generally. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:11:55 AM EST
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Let me out it another way... if Obama had said the exact same words Trump did, more of us would be completely up-in-arms about it. Apoplectic. Telling each other to form little like-minded groups in case the balloon goes up and the government bans everything. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:22:02 AM EST
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:23:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me out it another way... if Obama had said the exact same words Trump did, more of us would be completely up-in-arms about it. Apoplectic. Telling each other to form little like-minded groups in case the balloon goes up and the government bans everything. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:29:46 AM EST
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Here is an interesting read.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2018/07/29/report-trump-administration-ramps-up-enforcement-of-federal-gun-laws/ ETA: it really is a big mind game they play with us. Introduce pro gun legislation when they know it has zero chance of passing. Then when they are actually in power, do nothing. But hey, it keeps you pulling that lever for paradigm parties. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:47:02 AM EST
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Targettarget...how come you didn't reply to this answer of your question? Seems to me a fair and not totally biased person would respond with "good point" yet you said nothing in response. Why is that? |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:48:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me out it another way... if Obama had said the exact same words Trump did, more of us would be completely up-in-arms about it. Apoplectic. Telling each other to form little like-minded groups in case the balloon goes up and the government bans everything. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-33629023/obama-us-gun-control-laws-greatest-frustration-of-my-presidency Trump just wants to get the tards riled up. And boy howdy, does he ever. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:49:26 AM EST
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It was a fine point. I don't have to point out that it was a fine point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Targettarget...how come you didn't reply to this answer of your question? Seems to me a fair and not totally biased person would respond with "good point" yet you said nothing in response. Why is that? |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:50:40 AM EST
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I despise all gun laws. Two laws would cover it all.
Thous shall not kill and Thou shall not steal. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:51:49 AM EST
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Because Obama wanted to ban guns. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-33629023/obama-us-gun-control-laws-greatest-frustration-of-my-presidency Trump just wants to get the tards riled up. And boy howdy, does he ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Let me out it another way... if Obama had said the exact same words Trump did, more of us would be completely up-in-arms about it. Apoplectic. Telling each other to form little like-minded groups in case the balloon goes up and the government bans everything. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-33629023/obama-us-gun-control-laws-greatest-frustration-of-my-presidency Trump just wants to get the tards riled up. And boy howdy, does he ever. 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:52:18 AM EST
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I despise all gun laws. Two laws would cover it all. Thous shall not kill and Thou shall not steal. Oh, I see rape is good to go. Thanks Aristotle. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:52:31 AM EST
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Because Obama wanted to ban guns. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-33629023/obama-us-gun-control-laws-greatest-frustration-of-my-presidency Trump just wants to get the tards riled up. And boy howdy, does he ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Let me out it another way... if Obama had said the exact same words Trump did, more of us would be completely up-in-arms about it. Apoplectic. Telling each other to form little like-minded groups in case the balloon goes up and the government bans everything. How do I know? I remember how dire things were here from 2008-2016. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-33629023/obama-us-gun-control-laws-greatest-frustration-of-my-presidency Trump just wants to get the tards riled up. And boy howdy, does he ever. Hope appeasement works this time, Neville. It would be the first. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:52:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, because after all the years you've been here, you still cannot grasp the concept of incrementalism. That our rights are being nibbled at daily (occasionally bigger bites are taken) so let's make a big stink about every single bite. You are better than this. Some people will not get that, until they are deprogramed. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:53:03 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yea, I know right. Don has always been pro 2A Take that for what its worth. |
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