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Posted: 1/28/2016 8:36:54 PM EST
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My fireplace also has a nook on the left fora small stove. Only problem is the size. The chimney is all masonry to the crown, 2 feet wide and 10 feet long. So I could install another flue and have two wood heat sources. My downstairs stove gets run hard. My upstairs stove about never. Haven't lit it once this year. Size the first stove right and you won't need the second without a furnace failure and a particularly frosty armageddon. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 9:58:40 PM EST
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i would have put one in if we had a chimney/ fireplace in our house, but we didn't so we went the freestanding route. funny, this started out as a bash the epa thread and now has ended up as a " i love my epa stove " thread  I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location. 
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Posted: 1/28/2016 10:00:14 PM EST
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And generally with the large "fireplace hole" behind them they look like shit....just a personal observation. Frequently too you have to build a new "pedestal" to put the stove on- which almost NEVER matches the original brick work....It just looks cobbled. The insert is a clean installation, the other way to do it? Tear that shit all out and put in a chimney for freestanding stove- but that's a hell of a lot of work and expense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert And generally with the large "fireplace hole" behind them they look like shit....just a personal observation. Frequently too you have to build a new "pedestal" to put the stove on- which almost NEVER matches the original brick work....It just looks cobbled. The insert is a clean installation, the other way to do it? Tear that shit all out and put in a chimney for freestanding stove- but that's a hell of a lot of work and expense. +1. Here's one good example of a cobbled together former fireplace turned wood stove, looks like cobbled together shit: 
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Posted: 1/28/2016 10:02:32 PM EST
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I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location.
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i would have put one in if we had a chimney/ fireplace in our house, but we didn't so we went the freestanding route. funny, this started out as a bash the epa thread and now has ended up as a " i love my epa stove " thread I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location.
That cobbled together shit stove in the pic above this post cost $650 brand new. Anyone should be able to afford that. The real cost, however, is the SS flue chimney system. There's no real way around that cost, nor should there be. Of the three cost items for that cobbled together shit looking installation above, the stove itself was by far the cheapest part of the operation. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 10:04:35 PM EST
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I'm against government mandates like this. However, when I get the secondary combustion going on my new Pacific Energy insert, it burns hotter and slower than the old Buck Stove that it replaced. In other words, the emissions reduction technology actually does make it heat better and wood lasts longer. But it should be a choice, not a requirement. This. In a previous house an EPA compliant stove cut our wood consumption in half and gave us an even heat output for the full burn. Important things because we heated full time with wood. (Pacific Energy Summit 33 replacing a homemade smokedragon) It was a wise choice for us, but it should be a choice. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:10:53 PM EST
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Blaze King princess here. It is stingy as hell on 2 year old seasoned white oak, ash and black oak. It's been running almost nonstop since the first week of November and just went past barely 2 cord. 1750 sg ft with a basement. We love it.
The secret is 2 year old cut,split and shedded wood. Even without the catalyst or reburn chambers wood properly seasoned and stored is your friend. I am currently cutting next years wood now. It consists of white oak laps and dead standing timber that is half way to properly seasoned. Fun fact for tree huggers: Burned wood releases the exact same amount of C02 as rotting wood. LOL |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:20:05 PM EST
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Fun fact for tree huggers: Burned wood releases the exact same amount of C02 as rotting wood. LOL And yet they find something to bitch about anyway. This is when one can safely conclude that tree huggers won't be happy until we're naked, cold, and living in caves, and that their opinions can be safely discarded without concern or attention. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:20:44 PM EST
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so am I breaking the law burning my nice red oak in my craft stove right now?
cause I really dont give a F its warm in my house and it doesnt cost me much to keep it that way fbHo |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:25:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My downstairs stove gets run hard. My upstairs stove about never. Haven't lit it once this year. Size the first stove right and you won't need the second without a furnace failure and a particularly frosty armageddon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My fireplace also has a nook on the left fora small stove. Only problem is the size. The chimney is all masonry to the crown, 2 feet wide and 10 feet long. So I could install another flue and have two wood heat sources. My downstairs stove gets run hard. My upstairs stove about never. Haven't lit it once this year. Size the first stove right and you won't need the second without a furnace failure and a particularly frosty armageddon. I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:33:17 PM EST
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The insert heats the entire house just fine. But when the cold snap is longer than a week, ash begins to reduce output.. Hot cleanouts suck..a backup stove would take care and the furnace would never be needed. I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My fireplace also has a nook on the left fora small stove. Only problem is the size. The chimney is all masonry to the crown, 2 feet wide and 10 feet long. So I could install another flue and have two wood heat sources. My downstairs stove gets run hard. My upstairs stove about never. Haven't lit it once this year. Size the first stove right and you won't need the second without a furnace failure and a particularly frosty armageddon. I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. Score one for the bottom drafting coal stove.  Sure I blow through wood like it's going out of style, sure my glass soots up every two hours, but the ash is easy to clean hot or cold.
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Posted: 1/28/2016 11:49:16 PM EST
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Posted: 1/29/2016 12:10:14 AM EST
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Fuck the fucking fuckstains at the EPA.
I'm throwing another log in my Fisher. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 8:39:55 AM EST
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Thank the idiots in the suburbs who want to pretend to be mountain men for this. No, it's the religion of environmentalism. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 8:58:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i would have put one in if we had a chimney/ fireplace in our house, but we didn't so we went the freestanding route. funny, this started out as a bash the epa thread and now has ended up as a " i love my epa stove " thread I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location. If you get one talk to the guys at the store about how to operate it, since they do require a little more work to get the secondary combustion (smoke burning). |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 9:55:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:The insert heats the entire house just fine. But when the cold snap is longer than a week, ash begins to reduce output.. Hot cleanouts suck..a backup stove would take care and the furnace would never be needed. I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. A metal bucket? That's what I use. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 10:02:43 AM EST
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If you get one talk to the guys at the store about how to operate it, since they do require a little more work to get the secondary combustion (smoke burning). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i would have put one in if we had a chimney/ fireplace in our house, but we didn't so we went the freestanding route. funny, this started out as a bash the epa thread and now has ended up as a " i love my epa stove " thread I'll be the first to admit that after posting that link, I have learned some things from you guys. I believe in choice, and that people should buy improved stoves based on choice instead of being forced because some bureaucrat thinks they know better. If I can't afford an EPA unit, I should be able to buy something cheaper that fits my budget. However, I'm really intrigued by the units that burn even the smoke. In the house I live in now there is just a fireplace that gets rarely used, now I'm thinking about what can I do to put a REAL stove of some sort in that location.
If you get one talk to the guys at the store about how to operate it, since they do require a little more work to get the secondary combustion (smoke burning). its a huge learning curve compared to the old fire dragons. it has taken me 3 years to get really used to how it operates |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 11:57:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A metal bucket? That's what I use. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:The insert heats the entire house just fine. But when the cold snap is longer than a week, ash begins to reduce output.. Hot cleanouts suck..a backup stove would take care and the furnace would never be needed. I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. A metal bucket? That's what I use. |
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Posted: 1/29/2016 12:03:58 PM EST
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Quoted:The insert heats the entire house just fine. But when the cold snap is longer than a week, ash begins to reduce output.. Hot cleanouts suck..a backup stove would take care and the furnace would never be needed.
I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. A metal bucket? That's what I use. our wives must know each other
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Posted: 1/29/2016 4:38:30 PM EST
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Quoted:The insert heats the entire house just fine. But when the cold snap is longer than a week, ash begins to reduce output.. Hot cleanouts suck..a backup stove would take care and the furnace would never be needed.
I have no issue with cold cleanouts, they take five minutes. But it takes a day to get it cold. Even with an ash Dragon, inserts can be messy on hot cleanouts. A metal bucket? That's what I use. our wives must know each other And mine as well.
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