This man understands!

both my KIA's do not have spares, but you can buy a handy kit for 400. They do interesting enough come with a can of fix a flat.

I'm not out to roll coal.
Deleted and properly tuned a diesel will not emit a rolling black cloud of death.
I don't care if it's a Cumapart, a Powerjoke, or a Duracrap.

I've been a powerstroke tech for the last 12 years.
From warranfree jobs to 1/4 mile blistering crew cabs to building sled pullers for county fairs pushing the 5R110 to its limits whether or not I threw Suncoast clutches and upgraded solenoids in combined with custom written tunes, injectors turbos. Few trucks lost transmissions due to guys plowing snow and not coming to a complete stop switching gears while their foot was on the loud pedal.

Not a single truck so much as had a haze under WOT.

Longevity? Yup.
Efficiency? Yup.

Until engineers pull their heads out of their asses and run EGR post DPF to clean up the intake air stream, I will not stand by a single Diesel with factory or CA emissions compliancy.
Not 1 will hold up in Stock trim. I don't care if it's a 6.0, a 6.4, a 6.7, a Duramax or a Cummins.

Added expense comes in more forms than repairs and maintenance.
Downtime.

I've seen customers walk in, pull the plates off their truck with the cab up in the air ripshit pissed because a short block was D99 (intergalactic backorder) and they rightfully shouldn't be paying 600-900 per month on a 3/4 ton to F550 650 750, to sit in the shop for up to a month and a half 2 months.

Every issue that has plagued ford has been emissions related. Very seldom for transmission concerns. 5R110 reverse pistons, EPC solenoid failures, rear differentials. 95% power train related work I did when I was a dealer tech, EGR and oil coolers. Head gaskets. Turbo chargers. All related directly to emissions components.

6.7s every single one of them under warranty, before 50k miles, EGR cooler, EGR valve, EGR Bypass.
Whether they're an urban cowboy, soccer mom, contractor towing/hauling heavy. Didn't matter.
EGT failures causing no crank, no starts.
Derate for the slightest emissions related issue. Few accidents occurred due to derate loss of acceleration when merging onto highways.
They too are suffering from pulsing injectors on the exhaust stroke. They've got tiny rods in comparison to the 6.0 and 6.4, these 6.7s are melting and spinning bearings locking up tighter than a nuns cunt.
11s ate glow plug tips and valves. Bad vendors.
Turbos in 450s and 550s again, bad vendors. Coupled with DIYers used to throwing 15w40 in. That oil is too heavy for the bearings in those turbos.

Then there was the DEF heaters and sending unit issues.
Run one out of the unicorn piss. Forced idle while in gear. And it's a bitch to reset. Not getting paid for the time it takes to clear it.

Plastic CDC tube blow apart?
Chances are the DPF is loaded up causing excessive back pressure. That or simple heat fatigue. Either way, lose one and the DPF will plug damn near solid making a forced regeneration next to impossible to complete. Truck will shut itself down from DPF over temp while doing a forced regen.
Also plug up the EGR cooler as well

6.4 Crank no start?
EGR stuck wide open.

6.4 drive to clean exhaust light always coming on? Oil level 5 quarts over full blowing front crank seals eventually wiping out turbos, lifters pushrods rockers, due to diesel diluting the oil losing its lubricity...

Smart move engineers to pulse the injectors on the exhaust stroke to go down into the trashcan of doom to burn the soot...

Have 1 injector or all 8 be slightly weeping to cool the piston allowing fuel to creep past the rings. Dumbasses... could have ran a separate injector in the exhaust would have cost far less than short-block and long blocks to run a vaporizer specifically for the DPF rather than put the load on the injectors and eventually flood the crankcase. Runaways were always awesome too.
But noo... don't listen to me... I'm just the dumb asshole that fixes them every day... sorry I didn't go to school for 8 years to become an engineer to be taken seriously...

6.4 EGT sensor, driving along. Wham. Died on the road. No crank no start.

6.0 sticking turbo vanes causing over boost conditions blowing head gaskets? LONG BEFORE the mile long list of PCM/TCM/FICM reprograms that always lowered fuel economy and power afterwards... all from the flawed design of the cooling system coupled with an EGR system.

Then shove a 6.0 under an E series, throw an ambulance body on it... that's a great idea...
Needless to say, alot of people died... not even making it to the hospital. Ford gets sued and extends the warranty coverage to 200k no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Fuckers should have recalled every single E series with a 6.0 and loaded them and 6.4s in C130s and dropped them on Taliban. About all those fucking things are good for anyways...

Every issue that plagued friends with Duramax and Cummins, has been emissions related.
Dmax popped EGR coolers.
Cummins popped EGR coolers.

There isn't a single truck worth buying with that retarded engineering. Not one.
No reason a diesel can't go a million miles with the tollerance they are built to today.
Throw some goofy good feels emissions control devices on them. You're lucky if it lasts to 100k miles issue free.
At least with the 6.7s, if you drive them like you stole them, they'll go into passive regen and you don't have to worry about vanes sticking in turbos.

Yes. This is a pretty well established goal of the environmental movement. Your snarky, holier than thou comments aside, this is a reasonable deduction, and one they aren’t trying to hide. Like most things, it’s about control.

My wife commutes 45 miles one way, on an interstate crowded with truckers and assholes on their cellphones, who don't have brains god gave a mouse and a Prius is a certain death sentence should an accident occur. Let's talk winters, really winters with snow on the ground. Prius? Not. None of this really matters though because it's all Feelz. The government should stop all of the interference and let the market decide. Capitalism always works when allowed to work.

Corolla is rated for about 40mpg on the highway. If the current engine is 25% efficient, then the theoretical maximum mpg one could get with a 100% efficient engine in a Corolla would be 160mpg.

Of course, there is no such thing as a 100% efficient engine. If there was, the heating system in a car wouldn't work and would require electric resistance heating....which would also reduce mpg.

Toyota is touting a new engine they are developing that should be 38% efficient. Assuming that engine is in the Corolla, that should take it from 40mpg to 45-46 mpg.

The standards as originally designed are not possible. The car makers get these numbers by making silly electric cars and then get people to buy them by getting the government to offer tax incentives....So the taxpayer is supplementing these silly and unreasonable standards.

Apparently Obama could suspend the laws of physics.

How about getting rid of the ethanol and putting lead back into the fuel.  Our gasoline is the sh*tz today.

My SO has a Hyundai Ionq that gets 55 mpg driving normally. The tech is probably there if we really wanted to.

I was going to respond but you hit most of the points. Lightweighting in Autos is a gigantic cost. I can’t tell if colloidal is being smug or is just not getting it. I know what the OEM’s will pay for weight reduction. They are passing that directly on to the consumer. It’s a very large number per ounce/gram.

Now look at all of these technology advances to improve fuel economy (but usually add back in weight and complexity, (hence the Ferris wheel of lightweighting). Auto adjusting suspensions to reduce ride height at speed, grill openings with auto shutting features to block off air flow, under body pans to stream line the under carriage (guess where the most aero losses occur), 10 speed transmissions, auto adjust timing, turbos with all of the associated complexity and thermal management, and the list goes on and on.

So yes the mandated fuel efficiency standards are driving costs up significantly.

Then as Fidel said welcome to the 84 month loan, subsidized financing, and rigged residuals for lower lease rates, which are all causing another bubble that will pop at some point. When it does it won’t be pretty for any of us. Please add that piece of the puzzle to your big picture.

A $20k truck 20 years ago costs $30k now adjusted for inflation. Trucks have so much more content now even at the base level. The trucks costs more because people are BUYING THEM with A LOT OF CONTENT. You could still find and buy the equivalent of your "$20k truck" but most consumers are turning trucks into their work and luxury vehicle. Instead of having a cheaply contented pickup/suv and a premium car like a Cadillac, consumers are opting for both in one package. Those $50k trucks have A LOT OF FEATURES that were completely unheard of 20 years ago.

You can still buy a basic Ford F-150 2wd V6 for under $28k MSRP. If you want to go full retard you can also buy a F-150 Platinum with a 3.5L ecoboost v6, 4wd, supercrew cab, 6.5' bed, and 10 speed auto that starts at just under $59kl MSRP before adding options on and you can easily push $68k if you really start tacking on the good shit.

Los Angeles has unique geography. When the explorers came to what is now CA, they called it the "Bay of Smoke" because the Indian campfires caused smog. LA sits in a basin and that causes all kinds of issues with pollution that very few other places have. Albuquerque has a similar issue and so does a city in AK (think it's Fairbanks but can't remember for certain).  Cities like that will HAVE to have special pollution laws. However, those few cities are in the minority and should not force their unique needs on everyone else.

“Clean” hydroelectric, lol. That shit has fucked up huge lengths of natural rivers and results in lots of environmental issues. Same with clean wind and solar. Massive land use requirements for a relatively low energy yield. Poor choice. Much the same as growing corn for fuel, poor use of tillable ground.

I don’t think hydrocarbons are the end best result either, but they definitely work for some things. Innovative Nuke tech will be the way forward eventually. If we want to subsidize energy development, I’d rather see the money go towards that than solar or wind.

Right there is 3-5 extra MPG per gallon.

I could hit 30 mpg easily hwy driving in my 1998 Buick Regal with the gen II 3.8. Once ethanol hit the pumps, the best I could do was about 27 mpg.

Laughs in LSX

You don't lose 3-5 mpg running on E10. Possibly on E85.

I sure as hell did and I owned that car for a dang long time. I tracked the mileage for way over a decade. Since I used another vehicle as a winter beater, the temps it was driven in were very moderate and not cold weather use which can really drop fuel economy.

I lost right around 3 mpg with that car. I was just extrapolating that newer cars that get better fuel economy and the ability to dial back or advance timing better could have even more significant differences. I have a Honda H-RV right now and even though much smaller, it doesn't really do much better then that 1998 Regal did when it comes to fuel economy.

hmm... I learned something today..

Why doesn't California just require people to drive mopeds, they get 55 mpg or better!  Most tropical countries do it.  You can haul a refrigerator on one and families of 7 have been seen riding on them.  More people will be killed, but people are the problem anyway, right?  Anything to save the planet!

Nobody is stopping you from buying a 50mpg shit box.

The average American doesn't want to buy a 60 MPG car that costs $50,000.  They want to buy a 30 MPG car that costs $25,000.

This decision will be seen by a good chuck of Trump's base as a signal that he is still looking out for their interests, instead of the interests of wealthy environmentalists or electric car companies -- just read most of the comments here.

That's fair enough. If it's poorly engineered such that it just doesn't last or give reliability, there has to be a better way. The platform isn't going anywhere.

For the record I'm s huge TDI car fan, I just don't dig the particulate thing.

I don't disagree that regulations are sometimes necessary, nor do I believe the government has no authority to regulate.

But if we are going to have regulations, then they should be realistic, practical, and cost-effective.  The Obama CAFE standard was none of those things.  It would have cost consumers billions of dollars while producing very little real benefits, and would have made most Americans poorer, not wealthier.

The main reason those companies are pouring money into electrical cars is because of the Obama CAFE standards; they have to jack up the mileage of their fleet somehow.

If you want to see how electric cars would fare in the market without subsidies or friendly regulations, then just look at what is happening to Tesla right now.

Better performance,  more reliable engines(less complex), cheaper engines/cars(to get same structural integrity you can use heavy steel vs titanium), batteries that last longer(bigger=heavier= more CCA potential, they start the car for longer before they die), heavier cars that are safer(accidents don't kill people from passenger compartment intrusion, they die from sudden stop causing their organs to squish against the rib cage, heavier cars have crumple space thus can slow down the impact).  More interior space, grippier tires(don't need low performance reduced rolling resistance tires). Cheaper repairs(titanium/aluminum are SPENDY compared to steel).

There are more members of the Trump Coalition than just gun owners.  For working-class folks who see new car prices that are increasingly out of their budget, this was a home run.

It might be more symbolic than substantive, but Trump has just signaled to them that he is trying to look out for their interests even when it is unpopular in Washington.

All the words you have said have come out of a friend's mouth too (also a Powerstroke tech).
Worst part is all that shit everybody deletes in other states has to remain in place and be 110% functional in CA (because we smog diesels here). And the "green police" aka the CHP are always on the lookout for deleted diesels.

A $65,000+ truck that won't survive until loan payoff without major repairs doesn't sound like a good time. Especially when it is a crucial business asset or a matter of life and death (ambulances).

The reason the CVCC became so popular was not due to government regulations but because oil prices quadrupled in 1973 because the Arabs were pissed at the West because of their support for Israel.

People bought CVCCs because they got 4 times the gas mileage of a muscle car.

Remember this commercial?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKyePduV8o

A 50% improvement from simply getting better materials, highly unlikely. Air resistance is fixed, and as you get higher and higher speeds you get more and more resistance(logarithmic IIRC), which is why stuff like the buggatii that breaks 200 MPH is like 1000 HP, but getting to getting to 100 MPH can be done by a 100 HP econo box(eventually). Using a 55 MPH as your "economy speed" you can get WAY better economy numbers than at 75 MPH,(like 30%). Majority of the fuel burn from driving comes from acceleration(stop lights, passing, up hills, ect), so if you can get the power to go up the hill by using the turbo and then turn off th epower for cruising(say you need only 20% of engine power) you get a drivable car with less overall fuel consumption.  The challenger/charger v8 series dodges the turbo by simply shutting off 4 of the 8 cylinders, i think the ram trucks do that too, ford has an ecoboost engine.

CAFE meant the AVERAGE for ALL vehicles across a manufacturers fleet, so while FIAT made the Chrysler 300, ram trucks and SUV's (save average economy of 20), they also made the Fiat 500 (average economy of 45). Chevy made SUVs and trucks (average say 20), but they also have the spark(40ish, hybrid cruise, aveo), Subaru got the XV and CVTs to bring their numbers up(2.0 NA engine and CVT auto in a 3400 LB AWD car??? really, UNDER POWERED).

We already have 600-800 HP vehicles available on the dealers floor.
How much more is even useable?

I want an old M135 now.
One that can start on gasoline, and run on diesel.
There ya go tree huggers. I got me a Flex fuel.

Fill the tank with waste engine oil... run a coil in the tank with coolant flowing through it to keep the oil warm and thin to get through the injection pump and injectors...
Ditch the muffler for the ultimate whistle and brapp.

Still safer than a prius.
I wouldn't even bobtail it.

My girl's old car didn't have a spare either, seems to be common these days.

ETA: 2015 Kia Optima

No sensible person will ever argue that.

But, discounting electric cars as a concept is like saying in 1995 that the Internet will never take off because dial up modems are do slow.

Please elaborate? What is a delete kit?

Especially when the same government mandates:

• seat belts


• air bags


• inside trunk handles


• tire pressure monitoring system


• electronic stability control


• anti-lock brakes


• rear-facing camera or sensor


• "smart" power windows


• "smart" gear shifts

All that safety gear is great but adds to vehicle cost, complexity, and weight.

I went from 14.2 to 12.4 in my f150 with 3.5!

It's not a crazy thought when you consider most of them I've lived on the East Coast 90% of their lives. They never consider the ramifications for anyone but what they see in their daily lives. It's what makes them such terrible representatives.

It amazes me that they never calculate the cost to the environment for all the repairs replacements and disposal due to all this garbage.

I had the exact same engine, 1998 gen II 3.8, with the same results. 10+% mileage drop.

I completely believe it.

Here in nutty Washington state they have tossed around the idea of limiting the access of personal vehicles into the city of Seattle... the state/county slow rolls any real improvement in traffic flow and congestion relief, while taking away existing lanes from major arteries to give them to bus lanes and car pools so they intensify the gridlock for personal vehicles at peak times... they also spend massive(and I mean massive) dollars on choo-choo trains and other nonsense that nobody uses rather than addressing the system that everyone uses(personal vehicles)... they have recently introduced tolls for roads that are already paid for by taxes, making it extremely expensive to commute for some..

this is a slow strangulation of personal mobility by liberal planners... there is no doubt in my mind, and it's been a loong game...

Hopefully we'll see a resurgence of body on frame SUVs.

This is a big deal.

Hopefully he follows through on this

The old targets were a joke. Easy to set unreasonable standards that are far enough away that the failure to reach them will be blamed on someone else

In other words, a totally impractical vehicle....once again, reality and physics come to mind.

Not sure if it was said, but the goal was not to really increase mileage.  It was to drastically curtail private vehicle use.    Commercial vehicles have different standards

I occasionally look for old Rabbits on craigslist.  They are now hard to find, and I wouldn't mind having another one.  The 1982 two door hatchback with a normally aspirated 1.6 diesel was a cheap and fun car, even with the limitation of the four speed (didn't get a 5 speed until after the Rabbit was rear-ended and the engine swapped into a 1982 Rabbit convertible).

FCC didn't mandate the internet speed.

Yep.  Typical progressive social engineering.

Control.
Control.
Control.

The wild demands for fuel economy from the government, are obtainable only by shifting the fleet more toward small cycle-cars, getting the size and weight of the vehicle down to a point where it can be acceptably performing with a small engine.

While looking for the name of the Bede Litestar (the name was later changed to Pulse, after a falling out between Bede and his business partner), I stumbled across a mention of a federal bill that was introduced a couple years ago (and seems to have died in committee, fortunately) that would have applied normal passenger car requirements (crash ratings and emissions) to cycle-cars.  The government is dead set on setting ridiculous requirements, then doing everything it can to make those requirements even more impossible to meet.

Slightly more practical than using a motorcycle as your primary transportation.