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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:04:48 PM EST
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After this fiasco I wonder what they're gonna sell for used now? Everyone keeping theirs might as well keep them forever. I don't see them being worth much. That's why I'm sending in my 557. I'll get more from Eotech than I ever would have selling it. I'm going to buy a Vortex HS-T 4-16X MRAD scope for my new 7mm Mag precision build. I've already bought 1-6X scopes for my other ARs. I had the Eotech on my 300 BLK upper, I'll just throw a Primary Arms red dot on it later. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:15:03 PM EST
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Sending mine back, exps3-2...waiting on the rma
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:15:49 PM EST
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I just filed a claim through eotechlawsuit.com. I'm pretty sure I am gonna be the Class Action Rep for my state. By doing this you should recieve more than a even refund or gift certificate in place of one. Yeah I'm not looking to sue anyone. I don't have any damages. I just want my money back. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:19:31 PM EST
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Why would anyone need anything more than a full refund? To me, them issuing full refunds is as good as you could ask for on their part. All taking them to court is going to do is cause them expend funds they could be using to buy back more sights, or cause them to stop issuing refund all together until its over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just filed a claim through eotechlawsuit.com. I'm pretty sure I am gonna be the Class Action Rep for my state. By doing this you should recieve more than a even refund or gift certificate in place of one. Why would anyone need anything more than a full refund? To me, them issuing full refunds is as good as you could ask for on their part. All taking them to court is going to do is cause them expend funds they could be using to buy back more sights, or cause them to stop issuing refund all together until its over. in all fairness if you have been in combat or a similar situation and had some permanent negative outcome because of your sight, you may be due more than a refund. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:21:16 PM EST
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So has anyone actually recieved a refund? I sent one off and I'm waiting to send the other.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:26:24 PM EST
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Looking down a tube isn't a problem. Aimpoints are proven quality optics. What do you want us to reccomend? A magical non-EOTech EOTech? You could try the Meprolight Tru-Dot/Pro/M5... Which isn't nearly as proven as an Aimpoint. Or that new Leopold optic, which is $1,000 and completely unproven at this point. Or you can just suck it up and buy an Aimpoint, which is proven and costs like $400. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I spoke to Eotech this morning. To clear up my personal situation, and help others with the "MAGNIFIER" confusion, the MAGNIFIER MUST BE INCLUDED. That is NOT what I was told in 3 different emails from "Patrice" But I can assure you, they want both pieces back, since in the HHSI and HHSII they are a "SET" I was told to send my magnifier back or I would need to adjust the refund amount down to account for the magnifier. I was ok with that, and actually think it lends credibility to this. FOR THOSE WHO KEEP PUSHING THE "CREDIT" VS MONEY DEBATE, STOP. ITS A MONEY REFUND, NOT CREDIT    How would they know it was bought stand alone if they aren't requiring receipts? I have 2 eotechs and a magnifier with flip to side mount that work great so I don't want to return them and get stuck with a magnifier I no longer have use for. The last thing I want is to return them and not receive my refund so do we know how long it will take to receive the refund? Also I don't really care for aimpoint so don't know what I would replace them with anyway I may just keep them. This has been asked before. I like the reticules in my Eotechs and everyone keeps recommending Aimpoint after many have said they don't like looking down a tube. Looking down a tube isn't a problem. Aimpoints are proven quality optics. What do you want us to reccomend? A magical non-EOTech EOTech? You could try the Meprolight Tru-Dot/Pro/M5... Which isn't nearly as proven as an Aimpoint. Or that new Leopold optic, which is $1,000 and completely unproven at this point. Or you can just suck it up and buy an Aimpoint, which is proven and costs like $400. And again, I don't like them and I am not asking for your advice. Maybe for YOU, looking down a tube is okay but I, and others, don't like it. I read all the stuff about how it's not a problem but all I saw were opinions and smugness. My left eye is not very good so it's a BIG problem. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:27:57 PM EST
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Why would anyone need anything more than a full refund? To me, them issuing full refunds is as good as you could ask for on their part. All taking them to court is going to do is cause them expend funds they could be using to buy back more sights, or cause them to stop issuing refund all together until its over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just filed a claim through eotechlawsuit.com. I'm pretty sure I am gonna be the Class Action Rep for my state. By doing this you should recieve more than a even refund or gift certificate in place of one. Why would anyone need anything more than a full refund? To me, them issuing full refunds is as good as you could ask for on their part. All taking them to court is going to do is cause them expend funds they could be using to buy back more sights, or cause them to stop issuing refund all together until its over. Completely agree. I guess scumsucking lawyers gotta get involved somehow. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:29:51 PM EST
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How about the Trijicon MRO?
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:34:06 PM EST
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That's what I went for the MRO.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:20:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would they know it was bought stand alone if they aren't requiring receipts? I have 2 eotechs and a magnifier with flip to side mount that work great so I don't want to return them and get stuck with a magnifier I no longer have use for. The last thing I want is to return them and not receive my refund so do we know how long it will take to receive the refund? Also I don't really care for aimpoint so don't know what I would replace them with anyway I may just keep them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spoke to Eotech this morning. To clear up my personal situation, and help others with the "MAGNIFIER" confusion, the MAGNIFIER MUST BE INCLUDED. That is NOT what I was told in 3 different emails from "Patrice" But I can assure you, they want both pieces back, since in the HHSI and HHSII they are a "SET" I was told to send my magnifier back or I would need to adjust the refund amount down to account for the magnifier. I was ok with that, and actually think it lends credibility to this. FOR THOSE WHO KEEP PUSHING THE "CREDIT" VS MONEY DEBATE, STOP. ITS A MONEY REFUND, NOT CREDIT How would they know it was bought stand alone if they aren't requiring receipts? I have 2 eotechs and a magnifier with flip to side mount that work great so I don't want to return them and get stuck with a magnifier I no longer have use for. The last thing I want is to return them and not receive my refund so do we know how long it will take to receive the refund? Also I don't really care for aimpoint so don't know what I would replace them with anyway I may just keep them. My guess is from the serial numbers; their systems should tell them how they were originally packaged. The HWS had one, the magnifier another, and the combo packaging/case had a third. I listed all three on the RMA request. And when they open the box it's in the combo pack - if you bought the combo, both the HWS and magnifier are in one case. It's not like they just took stand alone units and bundled them. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:22:32 PM EST
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So this is the reason we all had to buy back up sites
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:29:38 PM EST
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So this is the reason we all had to buy back up sites Absolute co-witness. Works really nice with the 65moa reticle. 
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:31:41 PM EST
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I played with a T-1...or maybe it was an H-1.
I like it's size, but the FOV sucks and I wasn't a fan of the bluish tint glass. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:39:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/107976995/Pics/tmp/eotech-shipping.JPG Fuckin' post office...  it got delivered this AM |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:48:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And again, I don't like them and I am not asking for your advice. Maybe for YOU, looking down a tube is okay but I, and others, don't like it. I read all the stuff about how it's not a problem but all I saw were opinions and smugness. My left eye is not very good so it's a BIG problem. might give one of these a try have not heard much negative .....yet http://www.midwayusa.com/product/392164/meprolight-tru-dot-rds-red-dot-sight-18-moa-dot-matte |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:54:21 PM EST
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I'm not a real big fan of tubes either might give one of these a try have not heard much negative .....yet http://www.midwayusa.com/product/392164/meprolight-tru-dot-rds-red-dot-sight-18-moa-dot-matte Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And again, I don't like them and I am not asking for your advice. Maybe for YOU, looking down a tube is okay but I, and others, don't like it. I read all the stuff about how it's not a problem but all I saw were opinions and smugness. My left eye is not very good so it's a BIG problem. might give one of these a try have not heard much negative .....yet http://www.midwayusa.com/product/392164/meprolight-tru-dot-rds-red-dot-sight-18-moa-dot-matte I honestly can't see how that could improve on EOtech's problems. L3 can't figure out a way to keep the nitrogen inside of the holosight, but Mepro has it all figured out? I guess we'll see. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:55:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly can't see how that could improve on EOtech's problems. L3 can't figure out a way to keep the nitrogen inside of the holosight, but Mepro has it all figured out? I guess we'll see. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And again, I don't like them and I am not asking for your advice. Maybe for YOU, looking down a tube is okay but I, and others, don't like it. I read all the stuff about how it's not a problem but all I saw were opinions and smugness. My left eye is not very good so it's a BIG problem. might give one of these a try have not heard much negative .....yet http://www.midwayusa.com/product/392164/meprolight-tru-dot-rds-red-dot-sight-18-moa-dot-matte I honestly can't see how that could improve on EOtech's problems. L3 can't figure out a way to keep the nitrogen inside of the holosight, but Mepro has it all figured out? I guess we'll see. As I understand it way simpler internals |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:55:29 PM EST
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So, I am in a quandary on this. I bought a used 511.A65 cheap (<$200) some years ago at a gun show. So far, unit has worked fine, but I live and operate in a high-humidity environment (FL) and the issues reported could adversely affect the sight in my use. If I ask for a refund of what I paid, it makes acquiring a suitable replacement difficult/expensive. So, keep the unit, ask for a refund for what I paid, or ask for MSRP in order to maximize my ability to acquire a suitable replacement? Thoughts?
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Posted: 12/16/2015 12:05:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I am in a quandary on this. I bought a used 511.A65 cheap (<$200) some years ago at a gun show. So far, unit has worked fine, but I live and operate in a high-humidity environment (FL) and the issues reported could adversely affect the sight in my use. If I ask for a refund of what I paid, it makes acquiring a suitable replacement difficult/expensive. So, keep the unit, ask for a refund for what I paid, or ask for MSRP in order to maximize my ability to acquire a suitable replacement? Thoughts? If returning it for the price you paid bothers you because it makes it hard to purchase another optic without you having to pay the rest, why did you buy a $200 Eotech in the first place? |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 1:20:32 AM EST
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I played with a T-1...or maybe it was an H-1. I like it's size, but the FOV sucks and I wasn't a fan of the bluish tint glass. T-2 is clearer. Try mounting it far forward. Gets more of your right eye field of view out of the optic. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 1:24:19 AM EST
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LED vs Laser Hologram As I understand it way simpler internals Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And again, I don't like them and I am not asking for your advice. Maybe for YOU, looking down a tube is okay but I, and others, don't like it. I read all the stuff about how it's not a problem but all I saw were opinions and smugness. My left eye is not very good so it's a BIG problem. might give one of these a try have not heard much negative .....yet http://www.midwayusa.com/product/392164/meprolight-tru-dot-rds-red-dot-sight-18-moa-dot-matte I honestly can't see how that could improve on EOtech's problems. L3 can't figure out a way to keep the nitrogen inside of the holosight, but Mepro has it all figured out? I guess we'll see. As I understand it way simpler internals Ehh... Kinda... Still has an extra lens versus an MRO or such. Half of the claimed voodoo-space-magic of an EOTech wasn't actually real... It's just another reflector sight. This one just uses a laser shined on etched glass for the reticle it reflects. Which causes all kinds of bullshit problems... And requires a few extra bullshit widgets to half-assed correct these bullshit problems... |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 10:16:11 AM EST
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Well...just requested two RMAs for my two XPS. Very bummed. Love the sight but cannot risk ending up with a $800 worth of paperweights...
Luckily had a spare PRO to put on go to rifle. But still bummed... CSB 
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Posted: 12/16/2015 10:47:48 AM EST
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I'm shipping mine back today. Hoping for the best.
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Posted: 12/16/2015 11:25:59 AM EST
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Did not read through the entire thread, so sorry if it has been asked. Has anyone heard when refund checks will be going out or when people can begin expecting them?
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Posted: 12/16/2015 11:47:41 AM EST
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Did not read through the entire thread, so sorry if it has been asked. Has anyone heard when refund checks will be going out or when people can begin expecting them? No one has received a check and there isnt a clear def on when they will go out. Last update post I saw was 1st of the year. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 12:41:01 PM EST
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No one has received a check and there isnt a clear def on when they will go out. Last update post I saw was 1st of the year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did not read through the entire thread, so sorry if it has been asked. Has anyone heard when refund checks will be going out or when people can begin expecting them? No one has received a check and there isnt a clear def on when they will go out. Last update post I saw was 1st of the year. Gotcha. I figured no one would probably be getting anything until at least 2016. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 2:32:23 PM EST
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This really sucks! I LIKE the darn Eotech! I prefer the Eotech style over "tube" style red dots.
That is my personal preference and I realize everyone does not agree. Now, I have to decide to get rid of sights that I like because they "might" be defective. 
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Posted: 12/16/2015 2:45:14 PM EST
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This really sucks! I LIKE the darn Eotech! I prefer the Eotech style over "tube" style red dots. That is my personal preference and I realize everyone does not agree. Now, I have to decide to get rid of sights that I like because they "might" be defective. imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:34:34 PM EST
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imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This really sucks! I LIKE the darn Eotech! I prefer the Eotech style over "tube" style red dots. That is my personal preference and I realize everyone does not agree. Now, I have to decide to get rid of sights that I like because they "might" be defective. imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal Yeah. I'm going to remain cautiously skeptical until the first person reports getting a check. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:36:51 PM EST
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The e-mail I got didn't mention anything about a refund just that they would send an RMA # & estimated cost to repair or maybe I can't read between the lines. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:40:28 PM EST
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Just got an email saying they will refund the purchase price plus $15 for shipping. Looks like a new T-1 for Christmas!!
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:42:34 PM EST
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The e-mail I got didn't mention anything about a refund just that they would send an RMA # & estimated cost to repair or maybe I can't read between the lines.No. You should have received something saying you will get a refund for the approved amount plus $15. My guess is that you just filled out a repair request and didn't state you wanted a refund. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 3:54:37 PM EST
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No. You should have received something saying you will get a refund for the approved amount plus $15. My guess is that you just filled out a repair request and didn't state you wanted a refund. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The e-mail I got didn't mention anything about a refund just that they would send an RMA # & estimated cost to repair or maybe I can't read between the lines.No. You should have received something saying you will get a refund for the approved amount plus $15. My guess is that you just filled out a repair request and didn't state you wanted a refund. Copied from my return confirmation email: "Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible." |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 4:54:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Copied from my return confirmation email: "Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The e-mail I got didn't mention anything about a refund just that they would send an RMA # & estimated cost to repair or maybe I can't read between the lines.No. You should have received something saying you will get a refund for the approved amount plus $15. My guess is that you just filled out a repair request and didn't state you wanted a refund. Copied from my return confirmation email: "Your refund request has been received and approved. Please print and enclose this email with your optic and return it to: EOTech Refunds, 1201 E Ellsworth Rd, Ann Arbor, MI 48108. EOTech will refund the purchase price plus $15 shipping cost as soon as possible." I got a return RMA authorization form when I filled it out, maybe they just haven't sent the correct e-mail yet. So I sent an e-mail titled refund & copy/pasted the RMA info into. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 5:22:57 PM EST
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Yeah. I'm going to remain cautiously skeptical until the first person reports getting a check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This really sucks! I LIKE the darn Eotech! I prefer the Eotech style over "tube" style red dots. That is my personal preference and I realize everyone does not agree. Now, I have to decide to get rid of sights that I like because they "might" be defective. imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal Yeah. I'm going to remain cautiously skeptical until the first person reports getting a check. A company this big isn't going to just not send thousands of people a refund check. It's all legit. They are giving checks as refunds. The only question is how long it will take to receive them. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:32:52 PM EST
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If returning it for the price you paid bothers you because it makes it hard to purchase another optic without you having to pay the rest, why did you buy a $200 Eotech in the first place? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, I am in a quandary on this. I bought a used 511.A65 cheap (<$200) some years ago at a gun show. So far, unit has worked fine, but I live and operate in a high-humidity environment (FL) and the issues reported could adversely affect the sight in my use. If I ask for a refund of what I paid, it makes acquiring a suitable replacement difficult/expensive. So, keep the unit, ask for a refund for what I paid, or ask for MSRP in order to maximize my ability to acquire a suitable replacement? Thoughts? If returning it for the price you paid bothers you because it makes it hard to purchase another optic without you having to pay the rest, why did you buy a $200 Eotech in the first place? Because when I bought it ten years or so ago, it was a smoking deal on a good sight. Just don't want to have an optic that is likely to fail. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:43:13 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded.
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:44:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. They seem like a trustworthy company. I doubt the would lie about anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So ya'll are just sending in your $400 sight with no proof they're going to give you money? Yup. They seem like a trustworthy company. I doubt the would lie about anything. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:45:41 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Isn't eotech a subsidiary of L3 so L3 would be on the hook, right? |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:49:12 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Link? If not true, spreading panic like that should be a bannable offense. FWIW I sent my once-beloved 512 in today.
I had problems with zeroing last year and chalked it up to mirage and my poor shooting skills on a tired hot day. Maybe it was, but not taking the risk on it dying due to a known defect. EOTech appears to be going above and beyond to do the right thing. Hoping it works out. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:51:03 PM EST
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If not true, spreading panic like that should be a bannable offense. Uh huh.  Just like all of the people every page posting a picture of a photoshop'd gift certificate. Did you know the sky is green?
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:53:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Because if you're trolling that is some serious shit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 6:55:53 PM EST
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imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This really sucks! I LIKE the darn Eotech! I prefer the Eotech style over "tube" style red dots. That is my personal preference and I realize everyone does not agree. Now, I have to decide to get rid of sights that I like because they "might" be defective. imho you should dump them all now while you can still get purchase price for them. once they close the refund period im guessing you'll be able to buy the bought back ones for hella cheap. Buy them then and you'll have made money on the deal They probably wont close the refund period. That will flood them with lawsuits. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:00:01 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Source? According the .gov suit filed, the company is solvent. L3, company president, and eotech are listed as defendants. Could find no eotech bankruptcy filings. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:21:10 PM EST
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You have evidence to back that up? Because if you're trolling that is some serious shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Because if you're trolling that is some serious shit. Ban him. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:27:29 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Because if you're trolling that is some serious shit. Ban him. Agreed. There is too much misinformation floating around as is. I get it is a joke to others, but many of us have serious money into this situation and don't have all the time in the world to verify bullshit like this. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:32:55 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. im sure if it was true there would have been a link posted. either way ban him. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:36:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I went for the MRO. Et: can't spell Love my MRO. I'll be buying another very soon to replace the Eotech I just sent in. |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:39:40 PM EST
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The e-mail I got didn't mention anything about a refund just that they would send an RMA # & estimated cost to repair or maybe I can't read between the lines.Most people's (including mine) says "Your refund request for $XXX has been approved.....please send a copy of this email with your sight". |
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Posted: 12/16/2015 7:40:34 PM EST
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EOTech just filed for bankruptcy. No one will be getting refunded. Trolling and time for a ban. Eotech is owned by L3. L3 is picking up the tab. L3 is the type of company that could swallow up eotech if it ever ran out of money and not bat an eyelash. |
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