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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:50:54 PM EDT
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Great argument for gun control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Great argument for gun control. Yep. Shits retarded. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:51:22 PM EDT
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Is my rc boat under the Coast Guards authority? Just wait.... 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:51:24 PM EDT
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will the faa send out a team and investigate the crash when your $30.00 walmart rc helo pancakes in the backyard?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:54:45 PM EDT
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Hahahah. They better lace their boots and practice kicking 'cause I'm not registering anything.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:55:10 PM EDT
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will the faa send out a team and investigate the crash when your $30.00 walmart rc helo pancakes in the backyard? I'll be sure to call them next time I crash one.
I wonder what they would say nowadays. I used to fly from an uncontrolled airport runway. The guy that ran the airport always said, "just move out of the way if you see a plane, if you don't you will need a new one.".
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:55:46 PM EDT
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Standard counterinsurgency move. Eliminate sanctuary.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 6:58:20 PM EDT
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If you shoot down an unregistered "drone" with an unregistered "assault rifle", how close is that to dividing by zero? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:03:46 PM EDT
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So a big enough paper airplane would need registration?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:05:10 PM EDT
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Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. but you're not required to put the N number on the outside of the aircraft, so what good does it do unless they capture the aircraft? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:06:04 PM EDT
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Dance with the devil, expect your hands to get singed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...Team Dance with the devil, expect your hands to get singed. i don't know what this is supposed to mean |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:06:57 PM EDT
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:08:14 PM EDT
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So a big enough paper airplane would need registration? not sure if free flight planes are included, seems like only controlled flight aircraft between .55 and 55lbs, so you're safe, for now. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:08:18 PM EDT
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No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. You must be fun at parties. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:09:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:11:05 PM EDT
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So..........how is this going to be enforced? Is some out of shape LEO/Fed gonna chase my quad rotor as it hovers over trees back to my house? It's going to be enforced one of two ways. When you screw up and hurt someone or property or when someone else turns you in. Don't think it's not going to happen. This thread is so full of butthurt, its hilarious. lmao |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:11:08 PM EDT
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I think this is a good move. These things are dangerous and intrusive. I support increased restrictions to include height and distance limits from operators, prohibitions on recording equipment unless for approved commercial flights, and law enforcement kill switches.
These things are far too common now. Very dangerous, plus the buzzing noise is annoying. They aren't protected by the constitution either, so no real obstacles to enacting some common sense restrictions and regulations. Trump 2016 |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:11:26 PM EDT
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Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. I didn't see anything about marking the plane. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:12:14 PM EDT
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Will not comply. Congress didn't give them athority to regulate hobby aircraft under 55 pounds.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:12:50 PM EDT
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You must be fun at parties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. You must be fun at parties. I am and I'm also glad the FAA is doing this. I mean, look at the crap you see in here? Personally, I don't want most of what I see in GD in the same airspace as me. lol |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:17:43 PM EDT
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So will they have to send out a FAA investigation team when one crashes?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:18:53 PM EDT
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http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/263184-dem-senator-to-feds-go-further-than-drone-registrations
from the article: Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) is urging the Federal Aviation Administration on its new requirement that drone users pay a fee and register their devices with the federal government. The Department of Transportation said Monday drone users will have to register their devices by Feb. 19, 2016, in a new Web-based tracking system that is being set up, beginning on Dec. 21. The agency is imposing a $5 fee for drone registrations — over the objections of drone advocates — but the FAA said it is waiving the charge for the first 30 days of the new requirement. Blumenthal said the FAA should go further with its efforts to regulate non-military drones, however. “The FAA’s effort to register drones is a positive step for accountability and oversight, but much more needs to be done to address drone dangers," he said in a statement. "The FAA needs to combine today’s announcement with effective enforcement, holding anyone accountable who threatens air safety," Blumenthal continued. "Congress must act swiftly, empowering FAA even further with more authority, tools and resources to safeguard our skies from increasing dangers of these new devices, like requiring clear, enforceable operational restrictions that will keep these drones away from airports, manned aircraft, public areas and critical infrastructure," he said. "We must also require the installation of fail-safe technology in the manufacturing process, so it’s impossible for owners to misuse these powerful devices." |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:21:51 PM EDT
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It's going to be enforced one of two ways. When you screw up and hurt someone or property or when someone else turns you in. Don't think it's not going to happen. This thread is so full of butthurt, its hilarious. lmao Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So..........how is this going to be enforced? Is some out of shape LEO/Fed gonna chase my quad rotor as it hovers over trees back to my house? It's going to be enforced one of two ways. When you screw up and hurt someone or property or when someone else turns you in. Don't think it's not going to happen. This thread is so full of butthurt, its hilarious. lmao I get that but there is going to have to be some way it's traced back to you. I have never purchased one so unless these things have a serial number on them I'm going to guess it will be sort or hard but not impossible to find out the owner. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:26:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:28:02 PM EDT
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Is the hobby self regulating still or are people doing stupid things with them? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Please reconsider the argument you are making (at least implicitly). I would argue there is no such thing as "self regulating" anything as neither you nor I can account for the actions of other people. If people were doing stupid, negligent, or criminal acts with these things then the government should have reached into their already extensive reservoir of statute and regulations to punish those people for their actions on an individual case by case basis. I would not stand for gun control laws to strip you of your liberties because some jack-mook gunned down another person anymore than I support this. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:30:28 PM EDT
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This is a well thought out plan by the government to defeat the terrorists. 1 They hate us for our freedoms 2 Take away as many freedoms as possible 3 Terrorists no longer hate us 4 Profit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Land of the free my ass. This is a well thought out plan by the government to defeat the terrorists. 1 They hate us for our freedoms 2 Take away as many freedoms as possible 3 Terrorists no longer hate us 4 Profit I don't know why but I am literally laughing out loud at this post. I shouldn't be because this is depressing as hell and yet here I am. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:32:15 PM EDT
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i don't know what this is supposed to mean Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...Team Dance with the devil, expect your hands to get singed. i don't know what this is supposed to mean The AMA was conciliatory and "advised" an agency instead of fighting tooth and nail. It's little surprise that the agency wrote a ruling that took their suggestions and then expanded its power. The intentions were good, but naive, and it's just screwed a whole bunch of people. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:33:03 PM EDT
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I will feel much safer now knowing my 14 drones are now registered. I will just use another name besides my own!
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, and blister pack radios require a GMRS license. L O fucking L. Yeah, I got right on top of that GMRS license thing. I thought that my HAM license would cover it... nope. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:36:22 PM EDT
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Queue the 1950s style government PSA. Little Timmy, did you get a new remote controlled helicopter for Christmas? Well that's just great! Don't fly it though, that's illegal! You first need to register it so that everything will be wonderful and safe! Who the hell is really gonna bother to register them? So stupid, FAA is inept. It's to track the terrorist. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:36:47 PM EDT
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No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. Your argument is that someone should get a commercial ticket so they can take a pic from 50' AGL with a little quad or not get in trouble for having ads on a YouTube video of FPV racing. Do you grasp the logical fallacy there? That's akin saying that only when you go to med school, can you be qualified to cut off a hangnail. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:37:53 PM EDT
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Compliance rate will be about the same as for GMRS radios. That's not really the point. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:40:27 PM EDT
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Great argument for gun control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Great argument for gun control. Did I say I was in agreement with this shit? 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:44:55 PM EDT
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I didn't see anything about marking the plane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. I didn't see anything about marking the plane. Then read the actual article, not the excerpt in the OP: Registrants will need to provide their name, home address and e-mail address. Upon completion of the registration process, the web application will generate a Certificate of Aircraft Registration/Proof of Ownership that will include a unique identification number for the UAS owner, which must be marked on the aircraft.
Owners using the model aircraft for hobby or recreation will only have to register once and may use the same identification number for all of their model UAS. The registration is valid for three years. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:50:01 PM EDT
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Anyone know if these have to be registered to an individual, or can they be registered to an organization. Like a high school.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 7:50:46 PM EDT
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"The business of America is business government."
So is having a set of prints for a 1/8 Piper Cub and a pile of balsa wood constructive intent? God. I am so fucking done with our Federal .gov Anyone who questions why I'm a "bottom up" libertarian, I'm throwing this one on the table. Fuck DC. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:03:11 PM EDT
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The FAA could have simply required you to write your name and address on the aircraft and had the same effect...
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:07:24 PM EDT
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The FAA could have simply required you to write your name and address on the aircraft and had the same effect... Great point |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:08:49 PM EDT
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Dumb mother fucking fucks running this country... Running it into the mother fucking ground.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:09:34 PM EDT
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The FAA could have simply required you to write your name and address on the aircraft and had the same effect... Kinda hard to impose more taxes and fees upon the peons that way though. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:10:10 PM EDT
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Do I need to call out the FAA and NTSB when there is a crash?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Shits retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Great argument for gun control. Yep. Shits retarded. Yup. The registration is per aircraft. Jokes on them, the FAA is gonna need a bigger database when I register.  |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:10:33 PM EDT
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Then read the actual article, not the excerpt in the OP: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. I didn't see anything about marking the plane. Then read the actual article, not the excerpt in the OP: Registrants will need to provide their name, home address and e-mail address. Upon completion of the registration process, the web application will generate a Certificate of Aircraft Registration/Proof of Ownership that will include a unique identification number for the UAS owner, which must be marked on the aircraft.
Owners using the model aircraft for hobby or recreation will only have to register once and may use the same identification number for all of their model UAS. The registration is valid for three years. doesn't have to be marked on the outside of the aircraft, but shouldn't require tools to access (like inside a battery compartment) If they think i'm going to stick registration numbers on this, they are sorely mistaken 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:11:45 PM EDT
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Yup. The registration is per aircraft. Jokes on them, the FAA is gonna need a bigger database when I register.
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I literally don't even understand the impetus behind that. Even if I grant that the impetus will be stupid, redundant, or wrong-headed, I still don't even get it. What does this accomplish? Forcing you to register yourself (not individual aircraft) and then put your "n number" on everything you fly gives them a way to track you down when your quad takes a dive into a stadium crowd, or flies over an active runway. They want to eliminate the anonymity that owners currently have, so they can prosecute the fucking morons flying their Phantoms and similar "drones" into controlled airspace, near fires, etc. Great argument for gun control. Yep. Shits retarded. Yup. The registration is per aircraft. Jokes on them, the FAA is gonna need a bigger database when I register.
its not per aircraft, its per pilot, so you'd have the same N number on all of your planes. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:14:00 PM EDT
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I guess that kites and helium balloons will need to be registered...
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:16:59 PM EDT
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I suppose this is where I say "I'm glad I gave away all of my RC helicopters. I couldn't fly them worth shit and got tired of spending $30 for 1.5 seconds of flight time. Hookers are a better price per second of entertainment."
No, really, I suck at flying.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:20:15 PM EDT
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It's just another way or the .gov to make some extra bucks. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:22:40 PM EDT
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Our government sure likes making lists. Yeah. You know this is mostly a revenue generator. It's like my city charges a fee every year to register your home alarm. They say it is to reduce false alarms.... How does charging me to add my name to a list reduce false alarms?!?!?! It doesn't. It is purely for the $$$$$
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its not per aircraft, its per pilot, so you'd have the same N number on all of your planes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup. The registration is per aircraft. Jokes on them, the FAA is gonna need a bigger database when I register. its not per aircraft, its per pilot, so you'd have the same N number on all of your planes. http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/ Q. What happens if I sell my drone? A. You should log on to the registration website and update your registration information. We also strongly encourage you to remove your registration number from the drone before the transfer of ownership. One N number, but they are tracking airframes. They confirmed on the conference call. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that kites and helium balloons will need to be registered... Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that kites and helium balloons will need to be registered... Actually yes. Q. What about tethered drones? A. Both tethered and untethered UAS must be registered. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 8:33:36 PM EDT
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And yet the SB terrorist were strapping bombs to RC cars!
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