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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:22:16 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. Agreed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:23:55 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: 1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. You forget to factor in the few hundred million barrels of oil that the Falklands are sitting on  |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:24:06 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. Agreed. Oooooooo, feathers are getting ruffled. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:27:09 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. Agreed. Oooooooo, feathers are getting ruffled. hahaahaha what you did there...i saw it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:28:06 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. Agreed. Oooooooo, feathers are getting ruffled. 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:28:46 PM EST
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That shot of the Belgrano going down is incredible, been a while since I've seen it. And that, gentlemen, is just a VERY SMALL taste of what a nuclear submarine is capable of. The CO opted to use straight-running fish instead of homing due to the larger warhead (armored WW2 era target) and known reliability. I would imagine they could've knocked out the entire fleet if they had wanted to, but it may have been seen as excessive in the eyes of the world. Heaven help the surface warriors of any nation going up against an opponent in possession of and well versed in the use of nuclear submarines in the event of a naval conflict. Newer generations of conventional boats are extraordinarily dangerous as well.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:39:35 PM EST
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The Captain of the Atlantic Conveyor was Captain Ian H. North, DSC
According to one of the books that I read about the conflict - After the Conveyor was hit and they had abandoned ship Captain North was in the water in his survival suit. He reached one of the lifeboats, only to find it already full. The crew in the lifeboat told him to climb in anyway and he refused, he swan away and was never seen again. 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:55:01 PM EST
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A-4's coming right at a British ship.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:56:39 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. Chill the fuck up. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:01:39 PM EST
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Quoted:  I didn't know Larry the Cable Guy was in the Royal Navy. eta: get 'er done!
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:06:28 PM EST
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This is a neat documentary about the British use of a single Vulcan bomber (three months ahead of it's planned retirement) to attack an Argentinian runway at Port Stanley. They had to re-equip it for inflight refueling which meant finding all of the parts, one of which was in use as an ashtray, and re-learn how to fuel it. Then fly with a fleet of refueling aircraft to get it there. How they pulled it off is nothing short of a miracle. Great job by all of those involved.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:22:57 PM EST
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I was in basic at Ft. McClellan when it broke out. Headed for the 82nd MP Co. 82nd Abn.. They told us that we all would be rushed thru and sent down there, just to fuck with our heads, of course. Sounded like a windy place to drop into. Anyone with an FAL loves the pics from that war, and drools over all the full auto ones laying around, even though some of them were dropped Brit L1A1s that had been traded for full auto ones. Did those guys get in trouble when they got back and had to turn in a full auto?
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:29:09 PM EST
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The British should have bitch slapped the French for selling Argentina the air to ship missiles. I am thinking they should have sunk a couple of French ships.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:44:12 PM EST
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Not a fan of the Argentinians in any way.... but I will say that I have no idea how their A-4s got off the ground with the extra weight of the pilots' giant brass balls...
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:46:54 PM EST
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Do you suppose that pile of FALs is still there????
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:47:40 PM EST
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Quoted: The British should have bitch slapped the French for selling Argentina the air to ship missiles. I am thinking they should have sunk a couple of French ships. The Argies were using British anti aircraft missiles. So I think it's just par for the course when you sell other countries weapons. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:51:15 PM EST
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Cool pics.
I'd love to have been able to snag one of those FAL's from that pile.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:52:41 PM EST
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:55:32 PM EST
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Argentina was a US ally at the time. A lot of the damage to the RN was done by US A4 attack jets flown by pilots we trained. Both sides were using Type 42 destroyers during the war. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:57:35 PM EST
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The FAL War. I hope they issued a captured FAL to every household in the island. Not holding my breath though. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:01:32 PM EST
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So by Obama logic, the Palestinians who do NOT live in Israel have a right to all of it but the British who DO live in the Falklands should turn its oil fields over to the Argies who never owned it or lived there.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:01:49 PM EST
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The FAL War. I hope they issued a captured FAL to every household in the island. Not holding my breath though. No, my understanding is that the British took the captured equipment and use it for training. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:18:58 PM EST
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Not a fan of the Argentinians in any way.... but I will say that I have no idea how their A-4s got off the ground with the extra weight of the pilots' giant brass balls...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsDodFQPeJ0Yup, the whole royal fleet in the bay with Argie jets swooping in daring close is something that I would imagine we would see had the cold war gone hot. Can you imagine being a sailor and trying to shoot down a jet fighter with a 7.62x51 machine gun strapped to a rail on the side of your boat. Also I had no idea that the Argentinians brought armor and heavy artillery onto the island, never heard of them being used against the british landing forces. One would think that several of those panhard armored vehicles could have mopped up the british paratroopers at goose green. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:20:29 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. People>geography |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:21:05 PM EST
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I didn't know Larry the Cable Guy was in the Royal Navy. eta: get 'er done! Probably the British Version - Ronnie the Cable Lad |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:22:18 PM EST
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Read up on the conflict - you won't be disappointed! A real risk was taken getting ashore; it could have gone badly wrong. Likewise, the loss of the Atlantic Conveyor (a container ship that was sunk by French Exocet, that thought it was an aircraft carrier) left the landing force greatly short of helicopters. Never to be put off, the troops marched cross the island on foot. At the battle of Goose Green, the Paras were massive outnumbered, but still prevailed (a force of less than 300 captured 1200 Argentines). An old Vulcan nuclear bomber was used to knock the only runway on the Island out of action (another great story) and the loss of the General Belgrano scared the Argies so badly that they recalled their navy to port. Like I said, definitely worth reading up on! I believe at Goose Green a Brit Colonel led a charge on the Argentine positions. He was killed there, and received the Victoria's Cross. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:22:36 PM EST
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What is really sad is that the dismantling of the british naval since the falkland war has put it in such a pathetic state that if the same conflict were to go down again that the Argentinians might just prevail unless the brits get outside assistance.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:26:32 PM EST
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Not a fan of the Argentinians in any way.... but I will say that I have no idea how their A-4s got off the ground with the extra weight of the pilots' giant brass balls... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsDodFQPeJ0Yup, the whole royal fleet in the bay with Argie jets swooping in daring close is something that I would imagine we would see had the cold war gone hot. Can you imagine being a sailor and trying to shoot down a jet fighter with a 7.62x51 machine gun strapped to a rail on the side of your boat. Also I had no idea that the Argentinians brought armor and heavy artillery onto the island, never heard of them being used against the british landing forces. One would think that several of those panhard armored vehicles could have mopped up the british paratroopers at goose green. They did. They also used artillery on their own troops once the British started overrunning the Argentinian positions in Mount Longdon (that says a lot about the leadership in the Argentinian army 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:27:41 PM EST
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I was a young naval officer at the time. Several months after the war, the Ops Officer, a "Leftenant" Commander, RN, in Coventry paid us a call in Pearl Harbor and gave us a blow-by-blow of the battle, paying especially close attention to the loss of his ship.
He was at his Action Stations (GQ) in the Ops Room (CIC) when the Argie A-4s attacked. The attack was skillful and delivered with great precision by real pros. As has been stated, Coventry was hit by 2-3 bombs and this time, the fuses were set correctly. One 1,000 bomb exploded aft and below the Ops Room, in the main engineering control spaces, killing everybody there. The fireball from that bomb blew in the doors to the Ops Room and flashburned him and most of his crew, some severely. He was badly burned on his face, where his balaclava fire hood did not protect him. At the time, our Navy had nothing like that gear and it sure gave us pause.  He quickly made his way topside and over the side, followed shortly by his CO. He told us that the sea battle was a close shave and it was a good thing the Argies ran out of planes and Exocets. Yes, they got them from the Phrench. The inability of the Brits to effectively counter the Exocet, followed a few years later by the Iraqi attack on the USS Stark with Exocets finally kicked us in the balls hard enough to get us to begin the design, modifications, tactics development and testing of our missile and gun systems to counter the very low flying, fast and effective little missile. We actually used to shoot at them in realistic exercises. My ship knocked down two. We learned that the key was proper maintenance, and training-training-training. ETA: He said they took a bunch of midshipmen with them, boys really. Most of the ships had several. They gave each of them an M240 mounted on a pintle fixture with lots of ammo. He said he didn't think they hit anything but they threw up one hell of a lot of MG bullets and it was all designed to make the Argies think...and maybe flinch a bit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:34:40 PM EST
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I'm sure they're unloaded, but how smart is it to haul around your POW's on top of a pile of weapons?
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:35:18 PM EST
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That was really good. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:40:15 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? Yes but of course Texas is a part of the US not Mexico. Your argument would work a whole lot better with maybe Hawaii but really it makes more sense for Hawaii to be a part of the US than it does The Falklands to be a part of the UK, geographicaly anyway. By your logic we should give Guam to Japan and Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands to Cuba. We should also hand over American Samoa and the Northern Marianas to whoever wants them as long as they live closer  and while we're talking about UK overseas Territories how about they give Diego Garcia (that the US leases as a base) to the nearest country - Iran.
Whatever I was just talking geography not politics but can you explain me the reasoning for the UK to own islands not near the continent or even in the same hemisphere. I don't really care about it it just seems logical that it would be part of South America and not the UK. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:41:40 PM EST
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I'm sure they're unloaded, but how smart is it to haul around your POW's on top of a pile of weapons?
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_pow.jpg Of course, besides, this POWs in the truck are conscript soldiers. Over there, conscript soldiers were treated like crap by the officers. I'm sure towards the end they didn't want nothing to do with war, kinda like the Iraqi army was at the end of the first Gulf War. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:44:33 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. You forget to factor in the few hundred million barrels of oil that the Falklands are sitting on
Well now it all makes sense, can't let Argentina have it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 3:49:36 PM EST
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Quoted: http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) Well, in fairness the frogs have been trying to sink a British ship since Napoleon. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 4:09:32 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? Yes but of course Texas is a part of the US not Mexico. Your argument would work a whole lot better with maybe Hawaii but really it makes more sense for Hawaii to be a part of the US than it does The Falklands to be a part of the UK, geographicaly anyway. By your logic we should give Guam to Japan and Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands to Cuba. We should also hand over American Samoa and the Northern Marianas to whoever wants them as long as they live closer and while we're talking about UK overseas Territories how about they give Diego Garcia (that the US leases as a base) to the nearest country - Iran.
Whatever I was just talking geography not politics but can you explain me the reasoning for the UK to own islands not near the continent or even in the same hemisphere. I don't really care about it it just seems logical that it would be part of South America and not the UK. the UK doesn't own the Falklands. The Falkland Islands are a self governing outlying territory of the UK. They pay the UK aprrox. $230 million a year to maintain a military presence on the island. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 4:09:51 PM EST
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Great video on the Vulcan.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 4:25:14 PM EST
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FAL goodness.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 4:27:38 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. You forget to factor in the few hundred million barrels of oil that the Falklands are sitting on
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Posted: 4/29/2013 4:41:32 PM EST
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Quoted: A-4's coming right at a British ship. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f34/rhcp04/A-4BsSkyhawkFAAHMSCoventry.jpg That's my all time favorite combat photo. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:10:07 PM EST
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The British should have bitch slapped the French for selling Argentina the air to ship missiles. I am thinking they should have sunk a couple of French ships. Trust me, there is no shortage of British subjects who would simply love to "bitch slap" the French over a variety of transgressions spanning several centuries! |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:10:19 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. You forget to factor in the few hundred million barrels of oil that the Falklands are sitting on
Well now it all makes sense, can't let Argentina have it. Just how high do you need to be to talk out of your ass? |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:14:34 PM EST
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I read that some of the British soldiers picked up the full auto Fals, but they were less effective than the semi auto. Too hard to keep on target on FA. I love the Brits, but crap man! Make the damn immigrants follow YOUR laws or kick them out! ETA: Thanks OP. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:16:27 PM EST
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That shot of the Belgrano going down is incredible, been a while since I've seen it. And that, gentlemen, is just a VERY SMALL taste of what a nuclear submarine is capable of. The CO opted to use straight-running fish instead of homing due to the larger warhead (armored WW2 era target) and known reliability. I would imagine they could've knocked out the entire fleet if they had wanted to, but it may have been seen as excessive in the eyes of the world. Heaven help the surface warriors of any nation going up against an opponent in possession of and well versed in the use of nuclear submarines in the event of a naval conflict. Newer generations of conventional boats are extraordinarily dangerous as well. Actually, the sinking of the Belgrano was seen by many at the time as "excessive." I disagree. The international laws of war were followed. Argentina had no cause for protest nor surprise at the loss of life from that action. I agree with you that it was but a small taste of what a modern nuclear sub could do. The Brits maintain several. Its likely there is one on patrol near the Falklands. Possibly more than one - and they are surely far more capable than they were in 1982. The Argies would not stand a chance in an invasion today. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:20:31 PM EST
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I'm sure they're unloaded, but how smart is it to haul around your POW's on top of a pile of weapons?
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_pow.jpg Of course, besides, this POWs in the truck are conscript soldiers. Over there, conscript soldiers were treated like crap by the officers. I'm sure towards the end they didn't want nothing to do with war, kinda like the Iraqi army was at the end of the first Gulf War. The conscripts were also lied to. They expected to find a bunch of oppressed Latin folks when they invaded. They didn't. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:21:09 PM EST
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I think that if Argentina had gotten their hands on a decent number of Exocets, and allowed their carrier to get into the war, the British would had lost.
They tried like hell to take out one of the Brit carriers and came close a number of times. Really, a few more months would had made all the difference. More time for argentina to acquire more missiles and more time for the british to decommision the hermes and sell the invincible. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:26:37 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Clearly. The people of the Falklands just voted overwhelmingly to stay British. Somerthing like 98% to 1%. Fuck Argentina. They are the Free Shit Army. Of course they voted to remain British. If Argentina wasn't broke, the islanders would be studying spanish lessons. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:26:55 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg not disguised at all. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 5:28:21 PM EST
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