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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:38:12 PM EST
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I’ve stared into the abyss much too long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need to listen to the Antifa type podcasts. This is some ugly shit. There's some really twisted logic (it's not logic). They don't see debate or reciprocity as values, just exploitable angles to attack from. They are all bikelock professor. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:38:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a public forum. It requires a user to create an account which is allowed to exist at the sole discretion of the company. Do you need to create an account with the city to go down to the park and rant about whatever? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:38:38 PM EST
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I wonder if this opens them up to campaign finance restrictions as well.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:38:39 PM EST
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Okay I see you're just slinging buzzwords as insults irrespective of their actual meaning. Carry on, I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. You know who showed up in this thread defending FB? All the resident 'Statists'....
Okay I see you're just slinging buzzwords as insults irrespective of their actual meaning. Carry on, I guess. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:39:24 PM EST
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Napster and Silk road were purpose built to operate an underground exchange or market. Facebook, I remember when it first started, was for college students to communicate in a way that was a combo of AOL instant messenger and Myspace. That's has literally zero to do with any illegal activity. What I'm interested in, is case law about companies like AT&T where they have used common carrier as a defense against lawsuits or prosecution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Well, it is pretty much a goat rodeo. Napster, Backpage and Silkroad have been taken out. All the same shit they were known for is all over facebook and they get a pass. Mostly because facebook is lifelog. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:05 PM EST
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They are preventing conservatives, evangelicals, etc. from using it with their black box magical discriminatory algorithms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:11 PM EST
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Napster and Silk road were purpose built to operate an underground exchange or market. Facebook, I remember when it first started, was for college students to communicate in a way that was a combo of AOL instant messenger and Myspace. That's has literally zero to do with any illegal activity. What I'm interested in, is case law about companies like AT&T where they have used common carrier as a defense against lawsuits or prosecution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:33 PM EST
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Hold on, I am not defending Facebook, I am defending the Ruling, which is correct. Facebook is not a Public forum. Constitutional law tells us this. That doesn't mean they aren't a shit, socialist, evil company. Wanting to regulate Facebook by any means possible is Statist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who says Progressivism had been good? You know who the Progressives of the 20th century have been? The Statists. All Statists. Wilson, Mussolini, Lenin,Stalin, Hitler, etc... I bet you are conflating 'Progress' with 'Progressivism'... You know who showed up in this thread defending FB? All the resident 'Statists'.... Wanting to regulate Facebook by any means possible is Statist. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:35 PM EST
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You people and your undying attempts to equate Nazis and Marxists are adorable. Their methods may have been vaguely analogous but their goals could not be more diametrically opposed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who says Progressivism had been good? You know who the Progressives of the 20th century have been? The Statists. All Statists. Wilson, Mussolini, Lenin,Stalin, Hitler, etc... I bet you are conflating 'Progress' with 'Progressivism'... You know who showed up in this thread defending FB? All the resident 'Statists'.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:38 PM EST
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In my world they get both.
Just substitute AR15.com for Facebook/Youtube/everything-else-on-the-Internet.com. The 1st Amendment was written for a government. It's right there in the words ... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances In order to enjoy freedom of speech the postings have to be uncensored - free speech being one of the cornerstones of America for a long time. The Internet is the new town square. I have heard an interesting theory that the Internet destroyed Imagine how much suck there would be if each posting in every thread here had to be reviewed for legal issues. Those issues ought to be a state issue, not federal one. What 'ya think? I know that somehow those rather simple words written so long ago have been twisted backwards upon themselves |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:41:28 PM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:42:18 PM EST
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If all come conservatives and libertarians deleted their accounts, this wouldn't be an issue. They would reverse course once their stock went into the shitter.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:42:55 PM EST
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I know exactly what the end state will look like and it's worth it to eliminate the evils of western white civilization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. In the end, when the communists seize the means of production, they'll snuff out the revolutionaries, because they can't have tried and tested revolutionaries challenging the new status quo. I know, I know, it'll be different this time, because people like you are involved in making sure it's done right. When in fact, if you and your fellow travelers are successful, that thought will be the second to last thing that goes through your head. 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:43:22 PM EST
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Is political ideology a protected class? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:46:52 PM EST
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Why are you incapable of answering a direct question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you are for the physical extermination of conservative white men? I mean you are in support of them being murdered simply because they have a differing ideology than you? Is this limited to a certain age? is it limited to just the men or the women also. How about children, both male and female? I mean don't beat around the bush. If you support it say so.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:47:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about you go create a product that fills whatever niche you're talking about instead of begging the federal government to get involved? 1. The federal government did a "soft coup" wargle bargle. 2. The federal government should totally regulate more social media. Pick one, bro.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:47:24 PM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:47:52 PM EST
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It's scary. They are super cynical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need to listen to the Antifa type podcasts. This is some ugly shit. There's some really twisted logic (it's not logic). They don't see debate or reciprocity as values, just exploitable angles to attack from. They are all bikelock professor. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:47:58 PM EST
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Sorry but political beliefs aren't a legally protected class. What Facebook and others are doing is needed, it's all of our responsibilities to stamp out racism and fascism wherever they rear their heads. We can't allow hateful ideologies a platform to spread their poison. 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:48:39 PM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:50:53 PM EST
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If all come conservatives and libertarians deleted their accounts, this wouldn't be an issue. They would reverse course once their stock went into the shitter. Before they rescinded it. They posted a rule that death treats weren't allowed unless they are against people they have deemed a problem. This is really what this is about. They are strong enough at this point that once all the conservatives and libertarians are gone they can finally get the things they want done. They want this to be a platform where antifa can organize violence unhindered. They want it a platform for the left to reach as many eyeballs as possible without right leaning interference. I'm not against the ruling but someone needs to hold them accountable to something eventually. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:51:02 PM EST
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I know exactly what the end state will look like and it's worth it to eliminate the evils of western white civilization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. In the end, when the communists seize the means of production, they'll snuff out the revolutionaries, because they can't have tried and tested revolutionaries challenging the new status quo. I know, I know, it'll be different this time, because people like you are involved in making sure it's done right. When in fact, if you and your fellow travelers are successful, that thought will be the second to last thing that goes through your head. I'm curious to see if you're a POC interested in seeing the downfall of the society you hate, or if you're a virtue signalling white person who will be one of the chosen few, kept around by our multicultural betters after the fall. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:51:39 PM EST
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More than me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need to listen to the Antifa type podcasts. This is some ugly shit. There's some really twisted logic (it's not logic). They don't see debate or reciprocity as values, just exploitable angles to attack from. They are all bikelock professor. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's been a couple of lawsuits trying to attack Section 230 of the CDA using the...novel...interpretation that's been floated in this thread. I'm not aware of any being successful... |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:53:09 PM EST
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You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal. The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order. So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake. In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights. Here, you can read the opinion for yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.
When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake. In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights. Here, you can read the opinion for yourself. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:56:29 PM EST
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:56:37 PM EST
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In my state it is. SC Code 16-17-560. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:56:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The people arguing against government regulation are "statists"? lol |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:56:59 PM EST
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You couldn't even begin to understand it till you listen to them. It's bikelock professor/ Omar/ MS 13 shit all scrambled together in a big ol pissed off bag of shit. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:58:26 PM EST
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Is religion? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:00:17 PM EST
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Yes and please cite an example or Facebook telling someone that they cannot post something because or they identify as a certain religion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:01:15 PM EST
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They bitch about a dozen 'Russian' hackers with less than $100,000 online opinion influencing and losing the election for Hillary. Lose their minds. Algorithms that deplatform the entire right and they are ok with it... 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:02:15 PM EST
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They basically genocided the Native Americans too, can't forget that. Anyone who makes excuses for their evils shares the burden of their crimes. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:02:45 PM EST
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Yes and please cite an example or Facebook telling someone that they cannot post something because or they identify as a certain religion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:04:54 PM EST
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I never advocated murdering anybody, you said that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you are for the physical extermination of conservative white men? I mean you are in support of them being murdered simply because they have a differing ideology than you? Is this limited to a certain age? is it limited to just the men or the women also. How about children, both male and female? I mean don't beat around the bush. If you support it say so. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:13:13 PM EST
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The same way a bakery is forced to bake cakes for people that broadcast First Amendment views that the bakery owners religiously disagree with. Either it applies to ALL public places or it applies to none, can't have it both ways. ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:14:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you white? I'm curious to see if you're a POC interested in seeing the downfall of the society you hate, or if you're a virtue signalling white person who will be one of the chosen few, kept around by our multicultural betters after the fall. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:14:51 PM EST
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No shit.
The First Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, restricts only government entities and not private parties. Never has. Basic civics. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:16:08 PM EST
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And this means that Facebook is now a curator or publisher of ideas, and can be sued for libelous postings? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:17:01 PM EST
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My point of religion being an ideology. And affecting their politics. Like pro-life issues. Which in all likelihood find no firm ground against the FB algorithms machine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:18:14 PM EST
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So your point is irrelevant then. Thanks for trying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:18:43 PM EST
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And this means that Facebook is now a curator or publisher of ideas, and can be sued for libelous postings? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:21:08 PM EST
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Sorry but political beliefs aren't a legally protected class. What Facebook and others are doing is needed, it's all of our responsibilities to stamp out racism and fascism wherever they rear their heads. We can't allow hateful ideologies a platform to spread their poison. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:21:47 PM EST
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They bitch about a dozen 'Russian' hackers with less than $100,000 online opinion influencing and losing the election for Hillary. Lose their minds. Algorithms that deplatform the entire right and they are ok with it... |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:22:31 PM EST
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No shit. The First Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, restricts only government entities and not private parties. Never has. Basic civics. 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:24:35 PM EST
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If that didn’t happen in the US, do US laws apply? edit: has the civics class brigade read Marsh v Alabama yet? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:25:42 PM EST
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No, they ruled that they were not neutral in their application of free exercise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.
When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake. In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights. Here, you can read the opinion for yourself. "The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534. Here, that means the Commission was obliged under the Free Exercise Clause to proceed in a manner neutral toward and tolerant of Phillips’ religious beliefs. * * * The official expressions of hostility to religion in some of the commissioners’ comments—comments that were not disavowed at the Commission or by the State at any point in the proceedings that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what the Free Exercise Clause requires." Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits: 1. The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause. 2. The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle. 3. When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:37:29 PM EST
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Then, it is a publisher and should be liable for all the content it publishes, as a newspaper or book publisher. Facebook should not be allowed to have it both ways. That is all we "statists" (LOL!) are pointing out. Just saying this isn't a one or another thing. They don't have to be public forum or publisher. Hell, the courts could define something new. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:38:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they shouldn't be given special protections from lawsuits, correct??? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:39:59 PM EST
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If that didn’t happen in the US, do US laws apply? |
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