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Posted: 10/3/2023 3:32:10 PM EDT
Fifty-five Chinese sailors are feared dead after their nuclear submarine 'got caught in a trap intended to ensnare British sub-surface vessels in the Yellow Sea'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589593/Fifty-five-Chinese-sailors-feared-dead-nuclear-submarine-got-caught-trap-intended-ensnare-British-sub-surface-vessels-Yellow-Sea.html Fifty-five Chinese sailors are feared dead after their nuclear submarine apparently got caught in a trap intended to ensnare British sub-surface vessels in the Yellow Sea. According to a secret UK report the seamen died following a catastrophic failure of the submarine's oxygen systems which poisoned the crew. The captain of the Chinese PLA Navy submarine '093-417' is understood to be among the deceased, as are 21 other officers. View Quote
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Lots of the Yellow Sea is shallow....
I wonder if we paid a visit.... |
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So... Booby trapped their front door then went through said door.
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We had a thread on this a few weeks back after a big OSINT guy tweeted and then retracted his tweet.
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I'm a bit confused after reading that - did the sub surface after everyone died?
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Thomas Dolby - Sole Inhabitant Podcast (#2 One of Our Submarines) |
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Is this the same sub we had a thread about a few weeks ago? The one where the story just kind of died and faded away?
Also, the Chinese put a net under water to fuck with other ships, only to get hung up in it themselves? LOL! |
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Are we allowed to cheer for the death of our enemy here, or are they off limits?
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So they got killed by their own trap, they don't have these 'traps' on their charts?
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I don't believe it was designed to catch British subs.
But it seems like it works |
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I thought we have a treaty expressly not to do that? To weaponize the sea floor?
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Quoted: We had a thread on this a few weeks back after a big OSINT guy tweeted and then retracted his tweet. View Quote Yep, looks like he was on to something although I beleive it was originally reported in area between China and Taiwan. I watched marine traffic for a few days but didn't see any notable differences in the area. I think it ended up being further North of there in between China and North Korea. |
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Quoted: Is this the same sub we had a thread about a few weeks ago? The one where the story just kind of died and faded away? Also, the Chinese put a net under water to fuck with other ships, only to get hung up in it themselves? LOL! View Quote Makes me want to follow the dude who brought this up then had to dismiss it when nothing followed |
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View Quote That's what I was thinking. |
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I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters.
(Whether China overreaches and considers them to not be International waters is not relevant if everyone else says they are.) |
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Good, caught by their own trap. Couldn’t happen to a better country.
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Quoted: Yep, looks like he was on to something although I beleive it was originally reported in area between China and Taiwan. I watched marine traffic for a few days but didn't see any notable differences in the area. I think it ended up being further North of there in between China and North Korea. View Quote FWIW they happened to also be frantically searching for a submarine right around the time they would have realized the rumored lost one was missing. Seems to have been unannounced, they said afterwards it was an exercise. Reuters BEIJING, Aug 31 (Reuters) - China's military said it had recently held intensive anti-submarine exercises in the strategically important South China Sea as part of efforts to hone its capabilities amid rising maritime tensions with its neighbours and their allies. In an undisclosed area in the South China Sea, more than a dozen flights of anti-submarine patrol aircraft operated non-stop for more than 40 hours searching for submarines and simulating attacks, the Southern Command Theatre of China's People's Liberation Army said in a statement on Monday. |
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Quoted: I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters. (Whether China overreaches and considers them to not be International waters is not relevant if everyone else says they are.) View Quote |
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google says it has a crew compliment of 100 - but hard to say if that is how many were actually onboard. Sad to see waste of life - but the sub appears to have been salvaged, presumably with little damage. I assume China has plenty of replacement personnel.
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Quoted: I would think it would be a big no-no to mine or booby-trap international waters. (Whether China overreaches and considers them to not be International waters is not relevant if everyone else says they are.) View Quote Hell, China pretty much claims everything from midway to Australia to India to Siberia as territorial waters. |
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Quoted: I'm curious how the British and or USA discover these traps. Hats off to the first sonar guy to figure this out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Interesting, what does this trap look like? I'm curious how the British and or USA discover these traps. Hats off to the first sonar guy to figure this out. If it's a chain, it likely clinks. Or they could bust out the HF sonar for mine detection. Which can be heard by others. That shallow, would a blue/green LIDAR work? |
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The article says “22 officers, 7 officer cadets, 9 petty officers, 17 sailors.”
That sounds like a weird crew compliment, VERY too heavy. Can any navy guys say if this is similar in our navy? |
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Quoted: I have no idea, but do you really think China cares or would follow it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I thought we have a treaty expressly not to do that? To weaponize the sea floor? I have no idea, but do you really think China cares or would follow it? Chinese doesn't really recognize any treaties- ex. see also their fishing fleet which ought to be sunk in its entirety, along with the crews and their escort vessels. |
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