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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:32:38 PM EDT
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Powerful? Ya. Proficient? LOL
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:33:26 PM EDT
[#2]
To be fair...
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:33:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me, who was in control of the country after the war ended? That's who the real winner was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We weren't beaten in the field there either. That's who the real winner was. Win? That wasn't the term used it was hold them off. Ukraine is holding off the Russians. Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam did not hold back the Americans. Ever. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:35:12 PM EDT
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Russia will not be able to hold what they have.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:35:43 PM EDT
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I'm not a Russia "fan" but I don't particularly like the Ukraine, either. Russia is a paper tiger probably a bit inflated by our own military-industrial complex. Also, we've pumped BILLIONS into their defense, without which they likely would not be fairing as well.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did we roll artillery and knock down each city grid by grid square? They're still leaving the power on. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:36:07 PM EDT
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They don't want to turn the place to dust. They want to break them down use what they have still left as infrastructure. But the main thing is to make the US look like a fool and become partners with China.
So far I think it's working. When Russia and China get together as allies and come to the United States there's not going to be a lot to be done with that especially after Biden and these cronies get through stripping us. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:38:43 PM EDT
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I think the use of drones has changed things a lot. It seems like Russian armor is getting fucked up, EASILY. And last I read Russia had the highest number of tanks out of any military in the world. Something about they were sure armored warfare was the future so they built stockpiled way more tanks than anyone else. Obviously thats not working out for them. Then again all of that info could have been propaganda. The same thing with the videos of drone attacks, they could be overhyped propaganda. The truth is nobody knows what's really going on except the people involved.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will of Ukrainian people + western weapons and intel True, but don’t under rate massive Russian incompetence, corruption, and amorality. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Win? That wasn't the term used it was hold them off. Ukraine is holding off the Russians. Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam did not hold back the Americans. Ever. Similarly, unless the West is prepared to drastically increase its support for Ukraine the early UAF victories will end up being irrelevant. Otherwise one would have to conclude that the South won the Civil War because the Army of Northern Virginia kicked the shit out of the Army of the Potomac at Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a Russia "fan" but I don't particularly like the Ukraine, either. Russia is a paper tiger probably a bit inflated by our own military-industrial complex. Also, we've pumped BILLIONS into their defense, without which they likely would not be fairing as well. Excellent post. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:42:38 PM EDT
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Things are different when you’re fighting to protect your homeland.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:44:26 PM EDT
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Good for the mil industrial complex.
Conventional war essentially comes down to manufacturing and logistics. Scary to think how far india and china could go if they went full ww2 levels on making war goodies. Russia has about half our population and a poorer economy. Id wager texas would givem a run for their money |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia will not be able to hold what they have. I doubt that's news to them. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:45:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't want to turn the place to dust. They want to break them down use what they have still left as infrastructure. But the main thing is to make the US look like a fool and become partners with China. So far I think it's working. … Absolute opposite is happening. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but don't under rate massive Russian incompetence, corruption, and amorality. Their will to fight is what cause the weapon spigot to open wide. But yes, your points all contribute. If I was ranking, will of the Ukrainians to fight for their home is far and away #1, and it never gets mentioned. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo and Ukraine would’ve lost fewer lives and much less property damage. The US is going to destroy Ukraine in its quest to secure oil contracts, launder money and annoy Russia. Basically pirate shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Proxy war. Without US military aid Ukraine would have folded long ago. Bingo and Ukraine would’ve lost fewer lives and much less property damage. The US is going to destroy Ukraine in its quest to secure oil contracts, launder money and annoy Russia. Basically pirate shit. This kind of mindset is literally that of a beta cuck. I’m not even using it as an edgy insult, either. Letting yourself get stepped on and fucked in the ass and going along with it to keep the peace is literally the definition of cuck. The fact that an ostensibly pro 2A American can have such a mindset is mindboggling. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” -Samuel Adams. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia military not as good as expected. Western intelligence and weapons assistance better than expected. Result: prolonged war, more death, more profit (financially and politically) for the globalist warmongers. Cost: lots of unnecessary death, misery, and added potential for energy and food shortages to further the globalist agenda. Evil at play all around. Who gave you the playbook? Belichick? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia will not be able to hold what they have. It all boils down to Kherson: If Ukraine can't dislodge the Russians there after months of preparation and with all the NATO wunderwaffen they've been given then they're certainly not going to push Russia out of the Donbass -- at least not without direct NATO (i.e., US) involvement. All this talk about casualties and equipment losses on both sides is irrelevant. If Ukraine can't muster a large, successful offensive against the Russians in a city they gave up in the early days of the war, then they are not going to win. Period. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Undoubtedly the most action you've seen since Gorbachev  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not only did you touch us, you blew us. Many of us. Undoubtedly the most action you've seen since Gorbachev Dumbest shit ever. I'm early 40s, have 3 kids and my wife happily obliges anytime I tell her to get naked. I've heard when Russians get shit faced they never cum. Is it true? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's going about as expected. It's effectively a stalemate that Ukraine will eventually lose if Russia wants it bad enough. The West will find a new shiny trinket to play with and Ukraine will sign a cease fire ceding territory when the aide dries up. When? Whenever the next new thing hits. Maybe China gets too froggy. Maybe Kony makes the news again with the LRA. Maybe a terrorist attack happens and the West deploys assets somewhere else. Russia is staking national pride on this one and are going full retard on their commitment. I don't see how Ukraine doesn't call for a cease fire before Russia bleeds to death from a constant bloody nose. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They certainly did not we went where we pleased. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did Afghanistan hold us off for 20 years? They certainly did not we went where we pleased. Who is in control of Afghanistan right now? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see. The question is: Who's going to take it back? It all boils down to Kherson: If Ukraine can't dislodge the Russians there after months of preparation and with all the NATO wunderwaffen they've been given then they're certainly not going to push Russia out of the Donbass -- at least not without direct NATO (i.e., US) involvement. All this talk about casualties and equipment losses on both sides is irrelevant. If Ukraine can't muster a large, successful offensive against the Russians in a city they gave up in the early days of the war, then they are not going to win. Period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia will not be able to hold what they have. It all boils down to Kherson: If Ukraine can't dislodge the Russians there after months of preparation and with all the NATO wunderwaffen they've been given then they're certainly not going to push Russia out of the Donbass -- at least not without direct NATO (i.e., US) involvement. All this talk about casualties and equipment losses on both sides is irrelevant. If Ukraine can't muster a large, successful offensive against the Russians in a city they gave up in the early days of the war, then they are not going to win. Period. Russia cannot sustain their current position. Ukraine will take back land. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:56:20 PM EDT
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Don’t a buttload of American politicians kids “work” for Ukrainian companies?
Something ain’t above board. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:56:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumbest shit ever. I'm early 40s, have 3 kids and my wife happily obliges anytime I tell her to get naked. I've heard when Russians get shit faced they never cum. Is it true? 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:56:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumbest shit ever. I'm early 40s, have 3 kids and my wife happily obliges anytime I tell her to get naked. I've heard when Russians get shit faced they never cum. Is it true? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not only did you touch us, you blew us. Many of us. Undoubtedly the most action you've seen since Gorbachev Dumbest shit ever. I'm early 40s, have 3 kids and my wife happily obliges anytime I tell her to get naked. I've heard when Russians get shit faced they never cum. Is it true? Oh jeez. So crass. These threads are just white trash tar babies. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:57:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has junk poorly maintained equipment, fetal alcohol syndrome conscripts. Ukraine has western weapons and "advisors" and first world educated troops I hate putin, I hate that war. I hate us giving away money we don't have also.... |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia cannot sustain their current position. Ukraine will take back land. Until then it's all wishful thinking. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:58:47 PM EDT
[#30]
What are you talking about OP? Russia is smashing the shit out of Ukraine.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:59:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Ukrainians are using bio lab crested super soldiers. Plus they are supposedly te most corrupt nation on the planet, which must give them some kind of unfair advantage.
 It’s tough to be a Putin lover these days. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that's my point: Tactical victories do not a strategic victory make. In at least two of those three examples -- one could argue Iraq as well -- the US tactical superiority during the war was irrelevant to the final disposition of the conflict. Similarly, unless the West is prepared to drastically increase its support for Ukraine the early UAF victories will end up being irrelevant. Otherwise one would have to conclude that the South won the Civil War because the Army of Northern Virginia kicked the shit out of the Army of the Potomac at Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville. Read the title of the thread. What's your point? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh jeez. So crass. These threads are just white trash tar babies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not only did you touch us, you blew us. Many of us. Undoubtedly the most action you've seen since Gorbachev Dumbest shit ever. I'm early 40s, have 3 kids and my wife happily obliges anytime I tell her to get naked. I've heard when Russians get shit faced they never cum. Is it true? Oh jeez. So crass. These threads are just white trash tar babies. well considering he has a picture of his wifes ass as an avatar..would you really expect any different? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You left out BILLIONS of U.S. dollars I hate putin, I hate that war. I hate us giving away money we don't have also.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia has junk poorly maintained equipment, fetal alcohol syndrome conscripts. Ukraine has western weapons and "advisors" and first world educated troops I hate putin, I hate that war. I hate us giving away money we don't have also.... How much money have we spent in the cold war, how much on nuclear development over the last 70 years ? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Obama doesn't convince Ukraine to give their nukes up, Russia stays home. Instead, he tells them that Murica has your back and they hand them over to Vlad. As far as your question, its a combination of all the answers given:
Ukraine gave up their nukes way before Obama became president. Check yourself |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me, who was in control of the country after the war ended? That's who the real winner was. Pretty sure McDs and Pizza Hut are in Vietnam so capitalism won. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:04:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Lowly civilian perspective:
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:04:19 PM EDT
[#38]
The Russian military spent decades preparing to fight NATO. They didn't plan to be fighting an adversary just as incompetent and corrupt as they are and using the same shit equipment.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lowly civilian perspective:
Any day now when they are really getting their ass kicked they will send in the A team. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the title of the thread. What's your point? 2) The idea that Russia is somehow losing because they haven't rolled into Kiev yet is wishful thinking. Russia is making slow but steady progress, and Ukraine has yet to retake any significant territory in the east. 3) This war is far from over, and the most critical part is coming up this winter: If Europeans freeze in the dark because of anti-Russian sanctions then you're going to suddenly see a change in EU policy towards Ukraine, one that favors a negotiated settlement that allows Russia to keep the Donbass, Crimea, and everything else it can seize between now and then. Saying that Ukraine is "holding off" Russia is like looking at the halftime score of Super Bowl LI and concluding the Falcons were going to win big. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:12:11 PM EDT
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What do you all gauge the level of bullshit we are getting fed on this war is? I have no idea but I have to imagine a good portion of it is coming out of the CIA (or similar).
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:12:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia cannot sustain their current position. Ukraine will take back land. Ukraine is evacuating Donetsk. I bet Russia ends up with it if they can hold it through the winter. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you talking about OP? Russia is smashing the shit out of Ukraine. Fake news. All through Iraq II war we got casualty updates and totals pushed in our faces every which way, in the paper, on the radio, chalked out on campus sidewalks. Ukraine has no reported casualties whatsoever, ergo they must be winning. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:13:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) Ukraine has lost roughly 20-25% of its pre-war territory and has suffered an estimated 100K to 200K casualties, depending the source. They're not holding anything off, they're losing -- just not as badly as everyone believed they would at the beginning. 2) The idea that Russia is somehow losing because they haven't rolled into Kiev yet is wishful thinking. Russia is making slow but steady progress, and Ukraine has yet to retake any significant territory in the east. 3) This war is far from over, and the most critical part is coming up this winter: If Europeans freeze in the dark because of anti-Russian sanctions then you're going to suddenly see a change in EU policy towards Ukraine, one that favors a negotiated settlement that allows Russia to keep the Donbass, Crimea, and everything else it can seize between now and then. Saying that Ukraine is "holding off" Russia is like looking at the halftime score of Super Bowl LI and concluding the Falcons were going to win big. They tried to roll into Kiev. Failed miserably. It cost them the credibility of the Russian Army. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lowly civilian perspective:
Lowly civilian lol!!!! Like a guy in the Army has any fucking clue about what is really going on in geo-politics!!!! |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:14:57 PM EDT
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I've been quite impressed with the progress that Russia has made against The Ukraine. Despite having been trained, armed, and funded by Nato for the past 8 years the Ukrainians are having a hard time slowing down the Russians much less repel them. The aid given to Ukraine has far surpassed the military budget for the entire Russian Army, yet the results haven't changed much on the ground. I can't imagine the number of casualties the US Military would have suffered if the Iraqis or the Afghanis would have received the same support The Ukraine has. Another thing that has me impressed is the speed at which incompetent military commanders are replaced when they screw up. Here in the US not only has no one been held accountable for the absolute failures that were the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the only ones that faced any sort of repercussions were those who spoke out such as Lt Col Stuart Scheller. Hell the troops that refused the Covid Vaccine faced more accountability than our incompetent military and political leadership. A question for all you boomers though, has wartime propaganda always been this bad? It seems like every Ukraine war thread devolves into a shitshow of epic proportions and propaganda from both the Ukraine shills and Russian shills are constantly being proven wrong.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll believe it when they take back Kherson. Until then it's all wishful thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia cannot sustain their current position. Ukraine will take back land. Until then it's all wishful thinking. Would you have believed that Ukraine would wipe out most of the Black Sea air support, deep inside Crimea? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much money have we spent in the cold war, how much on nuclear development over the last 70 years ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russia has junk poorly maintained equipment, fetal alcohol syndrome conscripts. Ukraine has western weapons and "advisors" and first world educated troops I hate putin, I hate that war. I hate us giving away money we don't have also.... How much money have we spent in the cold war, how much on nuclear development over the last 70 years ? Have we ever been in this much debt before? Answer: NO So while I root for the Ukraine people themselves, Europe needs to be paying those bills. NOT US. All that said putin is evil commie filth. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:17:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Commies suck
Only reason they are relevant is oil and nukes. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:18:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is evacuating Donetsk. I bet Russia ends up with it if they can hold it through the winter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia cannot sustain their current position. Ukraine will take back land. Ukraine is evacuating Donetsk. I bet Russia ends up with it if they can hold it through the winter. Really? |
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