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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:32:54 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:33:28 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:33:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a 239 as a 9mm host I have a lot of experience with the 239 in .40. Superb. Utterly reliable. Eats everything. Very accurate. Looks good too. Sadly, they are no longer made IIRC. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:34:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 has both 1911 has the aesthetics of a brick. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:36:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love my 232 but geez the magazines for it a pricey. Magazines for the little 6-shot .22 TPH (see above) are $100. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:36:40 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:37:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 has the aesthetics of a brick. How about an artillery LP-08 Luger?  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:39:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryNot just elegant in appearance, but in design and engineering as well. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:41:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about an artillery LP-08 Luger?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/143978/IMG_1010_jpeg-3134688.JPG That looks like a Brunton Pocket Transit compass. American, not German. Shame, shame. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:45:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is correct. It has pizazz. I have always loved the looks of the PPK, but it's been known to have some problems - hammer bite, fussy about ammo. I have little experience with it but have shied away from buying one. I have never shot the little Sig at all. How is it compared to the PPK? My PPK/S, TPH and P.38 all leave parallel blood grooves between the thumb and trigger finger. My PPS, an elegant pistol in its own right, does not. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:46:38 PM EST
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Sometimes what’s old is new again….
Old model Python next to a new one. I appreciate the elegance of classic revolvers as well as autos. When it comes to defense? My daily is a Sig 938, truck gun a Glock 31 and in the nightstand sits a Glock 17. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:48:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about an artillery LP-08 Luger?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/143978/IMG_1010_jpeg-3134688.JPG In my opinion, it is the most beautiful pistol ever made. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:55:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:56:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My PPK/S, TPH and P.38 all leave parallel blood grooves between the thumb and trigger finger. My PPS, an elegant pistol in its own right, does not. https://www.carlwalther.com/images/2685213_1.jpg Plastic guns cannot be called 'elegant'. They are utilitarian, practical, affordable, etc. But not elegant. They almost all share a blocky design that also precludes the use of 'elegant'. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:56:51 PM EST
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Quoted: In my opinion, it is the most beautiful pistol ever made. The artillery is very nice but I like my 1902 “carbine” best. Technically still a pistol. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:58:19 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:00:37 PM EST
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Plastic can only be so sexy. Steel on the other hand.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:09:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plastic guns cannot be called 'elegant'. They are utilitarian, practical, affordable, etc. But not elegant. They almost all share a blocky design that also precludes the use of 'elegant'. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My PPK/S, TPH and P.38 all leave parallel blood grooves between the thumb and trigger finger. My PPS, an elegant pistol in its own right, does not. https://www.carlwalther.com/images/2685213_1.jpg Plastic guns cannot be called 'elegant'. They are utilitarian, practical, affordable, etc. But not elegant. They almost all share a blocky design that also precludes the use of 'elegant'. I will concede that point. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:10:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The artillery is very nice but I like my 1902 “carbine” best. Technically still a pistol. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54333/IMG_0088-3134702.jpg Those are all yours? I think I now hate you. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:11:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Glock is a functional tool with no soul whatsoever. It’s like comparing a Honda Civic to a Porsche. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Glock is beautifuler. The Glock is a functional tool with no soul whatsoever. It’s like comparing a Honda Civic to a Porsche. Apt comparison. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:15:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ‘ But the 232 is 9mm…. ??????? . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't care for any .380 Auto or .32 Auto pistols except PPKs and the like.  ‘ But the 232 is 9mm…. ??????? . P232 is 380. https://www.guns.com/news/review/gun-review-the-sig-p232-pistol You may be thinking of the P938 which is 9mm. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:17:57 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:19:41 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:21:38 PM EST
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Quoted: Those are all yours? I guess you hate me then. :) |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:29:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks like a Brunton Pocket Transit compass. American, not German. Shame, shame. Its British actually, Brinton Ross and Evans, London. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:29:11 PM EST
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The easiest way to spot an "elegant" pistol (in general) is to look for curved surfaces where one is not needed. For example, on the OP's sample SIG, the concentric steps of the front of the muzzle of the slide are strickly for appearance. The same function could be done with a flat surface (a la Glock), but the steps invoke "styling" and that invokes an art form.
The same can be said for the rear surfaces of the slide, or the top surfaces. Modern pistols are all very slab-surfaced, and this is predominately because they are CHEAPER TO PRODUCE. Art has given way to practicality on modern designs. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:29:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my opinion, it is the most beautiful pistol ever made. Yes, took me a lifetime to finally get one. Have everything but the drum magazine. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:30:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are all yours? I think I now hate you. I hate him too. 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:39:47 PM EST
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 You ain't wrong. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:42:58 PM EST
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What’s an elegant polymer pistol
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:44:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s an elegant polymer pistol None of them. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:45:12 PM EST
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Quoted: Some guns just ooze elegance & class. The Sig P232 is indeed one of those pistols. Sig took design cues from the Makarov and Walter PP/PPK and created a pistol that’s better in every regard. Better trigger, perfectly shrouded hammer, fewer sharp edges, and a frame mounted decocker that’s vastly superior to the slide mounted safety. Sadly, Sig Sauer stopped manufacturing this model in 2015. With the new wave of micro 380s and subcompact 9mms, I can certainly understand the business logic behind that decision. Compared to my Shadow Systems CR920, the Sig is heavier, slightly larger, and carries 3 fewer rounds in a weaker chambering. My last pic below shows the Shadow Systems sitting atop the Sig for comparison. That said, there’s something about this pistol that puts a smile on my face. First and foremost, it’s flat out gorgeous. I have fairly large hands, yet it seems to fit me perfectly. It’s beautifully manufactured, attention to detail is evident at every turn. Simply put, it has soul. Maybe I’m getting sentimental now that I’m in my 40s, but there’s a part of me that feels sad that younger generations will miss out on guns such as this one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108967/IMG_0097_jpeg-3134585.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108967/IMG_0096_jpeg-3134591.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108967/IMG_0099_jpeg-3134588.JPG Carried a P232 for about 10 years, gave it to a sister who gave it back when she moved to Canada, then sold it to a panic buying coworker at the start of the Covid Scamdemic. Never felt undergunned with it and it was one of the more accurate handguns I have owned. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:45:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: P232 is 380. https://www.guns.com/news/review/gun-review-the-sig-p232-pistol You may be thinking of the P938 which is 9mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't care for any .380 Auto or .32 Auto pistols except PPKs and the like. ‘ But the 232 is 9mm…. ??????? . P232 is 380. https://www.guns.com/news/review/gun-review-the-sig-p232-pistol You may be thinking of the P938 which is 9mm. I think he means that the Sig is 9mm Kurz. Translates to 9mm short…or .380acp. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:49:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What’s an elegant polymer pistol None of them. I do think Beretta gave a solid effort with the styling on the PX4 |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:52:22 PM EST
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OP is correct.
S&W, Colt, Marlin…all the big US gang cut down on polish for profit. S&W in particular used to “show off” with counter-boring cylinders for rimmed magnums, barrel pinning & custom orders. The only US-made Interarms Walther I owned was a horrible, dangerous POS; I only own West German & Thuringia Walther pistols. SIGs from West Germany had their own panache, too. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:54:17 PM EST
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Enh. Use what you like.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:54:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Glock is a functional tool with no soul whatsoever. It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a Porsche. I get your point, but the only meaningful thing a Porsche does better is pick your pocket faster. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:56:42 PM EST
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Oh, I forgot this thing:
 A .32 ACP, but is sublime to shoot, |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:00:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9mm is 9mm I get your point, but the only meaningful thing a Porsche does better is pick your pocket faster. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Glock is a functional tool with no soul whatsoever. It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a Porsche. I get your point, but the only meaningful thing a Porsche does better is pick your pocket faster. As a former 1980s Honda Civic owner—I miss the 45 MPG highway elegance…but it was loud to drive vs a Porsche & wasn’t meant to be driven above 70 mph. Once you own an Audi, Porsche or equivalent quiet, quick, responsive car, it’s like putting the genie back in the bottle. I regularly accidentally “cruise” above the speed limit in my Porsche & Audi, simply because the haptic feedback including car vibration & road noise from an inexpensive Honda or Toyota is absent. But I do miss 45 MPG on the highway, I will admit…. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:02:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I forgot this thing:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/43555B43-955A-482B-BA44-B90B075064CB-1093960.jpg A .32 ACP, but is sublime to shoot, CZ83 in 7,65 Browning is 15 rounds of laser-like, scant recoil goodness! 9mm Kurz gets noticable & 9mm Mak peppy, IME. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:03:47 PM EST
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:05:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9mm is 9mm I get your point, but the only meaningful thing a Porsche does better is pick your pocket faster. Drive a Civic for a week, then drive a 911 for a week and come talk to me. Yes, they’ll both get you from point A to point B. Buy you’ll certainly realize the difference between the two. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:07:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I forgot this thing:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/43555B43-955A-482B-BA44-B90B075064CB-1093960.jpg A .32 ACP, but is sublime to shoot, The 80s series Beretta fall into this category, beautiful guns. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:10:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drive a Civic for a week, then drive a 911 for a week and come talk to me. Yes, they’ll both get you from point A to point B. Buy you’ll certainly realize the difference between the two. One attracts attention and one doesn't? 
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:25:00 PM EST
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I've always thought that these had "a certain something": https://edelweissarms.com/hammerli-international-target-pistol-sn-g26xxx/
Thank goodness Tunbull still speaks elegance: https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/product-category/the-showroom/page/2/?query_type_inventory-status=or&filter_inventory-status=current-inventory |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:32:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryNeat.jpg I’ve always wondered what it’s like to fire one of these. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:47:21 PM EST
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A piece of plastic with a rectangle shaped slide is cheaper and faster to make. We are in the age of consumerism. Quantity one quality. Up until the late 90s early 00s companies were content on making products and just making any profit. Now it's solely about beating last quarters numbers. If you don't have record sales and growth every reporting period the street treats you like a failure.
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:49:50 PM EST
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My first carry pistol back in 1989 was a P230. I was 23 and it started my long love affair with all things Sig.
It was sweet. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:54:17 PM EST
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Posted: 2/19/2024 6:55:31 PM EST
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