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Uvalde Police Criticize Indiana Mall Armed Citizen For Not Waiting Around Outside For An Hour |
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Quoted: Bee article ?? Uvalde Police Criticize Indiana Mall Armed Citizen For Not Waiting Around Outside For An Hour View Quote Attached File That's gonna leave a mark... |
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Liberal talking heads kept saying that even the police couldn't stop a AR15 armed active shooter and that a "good guy with a gun" was a myth.
Well take this incident at the Greenwood mall and this one in West Virginia and make them stick that argument where the sun don't shine. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/west-virginia-police-credit-ccw-holder-with-saving-lives-stopping-a-mass-shooting/ |
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Quoted: Jesus, some of you really need to shoot more. A torso-sized target at 40 yards is not a difficult shot, especially when you're braced. Add in adrenaline/likelihood of death and it becomes tougher but it is most certainly doable. I shoot at 45 yards regularly off my deck with all my pistols. I ring headshots on the steel silhouette without a problem. If you're the type to stand in one spot on the firing line and shoot at 10 yards, yeah you probably think 40 yards is really fucking hard with a pistol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'd like to see some confirmation on the 40 yards factoid. That is an incredible distance and quite frankly unless the kid is a professional shooter, I don't believe it, and in looking at the pictures of the food court I don't think that distance adds up. Good shooting for sure, but there's no reason to exaggerate the claims either. Jesus, some of you really need to shoot more. A torso-sized target at 40 yards is not a difficult shot, especially when you're braced. Add in adrenaline/likelihood of death and it becomes tougher but it is most certainly doable. I shoot at 45 yards regularly off my deck with all my pistols. I ring headshots on the steel silhouette without a problem. If you're the type to stand in one spot on the firing line and shoot at 10 yards, yeah you probably think 40 yards is really fucking hard with a pistol. Oh yeah, hitting a steel plate in your backyard is exactly the same as hitting a skinny moving target at an unfamiliar range. Billy badass over here I don't care how good you are on your own personal range, I bet you don't make 8/10 or even close to it in that scenario. 120 feet is not anything that the vast majority of pistol shooters are going to make 50% hits on much less 80%. Did you see the pictures? You know how easy it is for people to exaggerate or overestimate distances? I'd guess it was 40 feet, not 40 yards. Again, still great shooting from the young man but no reason for needless exaggeration. |
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Quoted: It's not an "incredible" distance. It is an unusual distance. I'm not sure where the idea that you have to be near superhuman to make a hit a distance with a pistol comes from, but it's not true. Hitting a man(let) sized target at 40 yards is not supremely difficult if you have good command of the fundamentals. Useful practice helps you recall those under stress. Hunting and competition help you build familiarity with delivering on the fundamentals under stress. It seems like this young man came up in a family that took the use of firearms seriously and invested some time and effort learning how to do it correctly. Everyone doesn't just spazz out and start acting like an idiot when presented with the need to make a shot under stress. Distance and not being directly under assault can actually make it easier to think more clearly in the moment than if you are the one directly taking bullets. Having the drop on the bad guy...which was almost certainly the case here...is an enormous asset. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'd like to see some confirmation on the 40 yards factoid. That is an incredible distance and quite frankly unless the kid is a professional shooter It's not an "incredible" distance. It is an unusual distance. I'm not sure where the idea that you have to be near superhuman to make a hit a distance with a pistol comes from, but it's not true. Hitting a man(let) sized target at 40 yards is not supremely difficult if you have good command of the fundamentals. Useful practice helps you recall those under stress. Hunting and competition help you build familiarity with delivering on the fundamentals under stress. It seems like this young man came up in a family that took the use of firearms seriously and invested some time and effort learning how to do it correctly. Everyone doesn't just spazz out and start acting like an idiot when presented with the need to make a shot under stress. Distance and not being directly under assault can actually make it easier to think more clearly in the moment than if you are the one directly taking bullets. Having the drop on the bad guy...which was almost certainly the case here...is an enormous asset. This. I do walk back drills/comps on steel silhouettes out to 100 yards with my peeps regularly. It is a good confidence booster and shows you that hitting at distance with a pistol isn't a far fetched fantasy. |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/w2sj49/mod_note_unconfirmed_rumors/
Moderators have become aware of unconfirmed reports that the perpetrator in a recent mass shooting may have been a member of this subreddit. This subreddit was created for discussion, and discouragement of any glorification of or advocacy towards shooters has always been our strictest rule. Moderators have relied on our users to maintain a mature, respectful community that unequivocally condemns the actions of this shooter and every mass shooter discussed in the subreddit. We are continuing to monitor this situation and may update if more information becomes available. In the meantime, we ask that users refrain from spreading unconfirmed rumors. Comments or posts containing them will be deleted. If you have any concerns, feel free to contact the mod team. View Quote |
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Quoted: Another skinny incel looking type. What the heck is it about the type? View Quote The Feeb’s find them easiest to program and activate online. No coincidence that this “happened” as Prez Potato’s polls hit a new low. They wanted to change the narrative. They didn’t count on Eli defining the narrative… |
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Quoted: I can agree it was great shooting regardless of the actual range. No doubt he was under considerable stress. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've got about 80' from that furthest column in the eating area with the good line of sight to the rough spot where scumbag died, which is further back in that vestibule. If first engagement was at the vestibule opening then it's about 60'. If Eli was braced at the column nearest the Subway then it looks to be about 36' to the restroom vestibule opening. 120' is still plausible from within the dining area, but not much that jives with the report that he braced against a "post". Guess we'll just have to wait for an official report, a reenactment, or a video leak. Still very good shooting to draw, steady, and fire within 15 seconds and hit 8 out of 10. I can agree it was great shooting regardless of the actual range. No doubt he was under considerable stress. Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens Attached File |
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These spree shooters ALWAYS look like they ain’t been in some pussy since they came outta one.Ain’t no red blooded male that’s getting positive female energy even remotely thinking about killing up a bunch of random people.Our society is crumbling under the weight of mismanaged expectations that come from being inundated with imagery from things that we’ll never have or lifestyles we’ll never live.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Indiana doesn't have CCW permits. We have handgun permits, which former Governor Mitch Daniels (Bush's numbers guy) created a lifetime handgun permit circa 2006. Basically, you need a permit to buy a handgun (all LEO heads sign them without question) , but there are no CCW or other restrictions on how you carry. I've been out of the country and that handgun permit might have been ammended into our constitution, I believe I heard a few years ago. You don't need a permit to buy a handgun. ?? Nope but you gotta wait 7 days No you don’t. |
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Quoted: Unlike non-gun guy LEOs that hold their dick longer when they pee than they hold a gun all year most CCW practitioners that actually carry usually have some level of proficiency. View Quote I have have some doubts about that. 3 of 4 in my office can carry. One is a Defender who has a G19 he has never shot yet carries. A damn .mil cop! Another has 70a and shoots, sometimes and carries less. Then there is me who shoots every two weeks, dry fires daily, practices my draw and presentation with my carry gun daily. I am the only gun nut of the 4 of us. The fourth doesn't give a shit and can't hardly walk because he falling apart physically. |
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Quoted: There is this weird movement to infantilize anyone under 30 these days. Spelling out "22-year-old", like that matters or that's some kind of low threshold on how old one should be to own a firearm, use a firearm, protect people, eliminate threats, what??? Why the stress on the age of the ccw? Like 22 years old is a child or something? View Quote I like that his age is being stressed. If it was a 55yo ex mil, ex cop they can mentally justify that it's not something your average person can do (remember that liberals tend young) Decades of experience and training is required or something, that's why he could do it and they wouldn't have been able to. His age hammers home that he's just a regular guy. Hence the backlash from people that know they would have been found lacking and have nothing to point at as to why he's different other than their own shortcomings. The meltdowns over this are glorious. |
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Even if the range is misquoted, and is 40 feet, 13.3 yards - for a guy who has been carrying for only 3 weeks, against someone less than 15 yards right in front of him firing an AR somewhat in his general direction as fast as he can would rattle the best civilian shooter. This MIGHT be a case of he didn't know enough to BE scared, and went for it, with fantastic results. What do people say who have actually been there about the distance from the columns to that restroom door?
That guy better not have to buy a drink in any bar for the rest of his life. |
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View Quote "Springfield Hellcat" |
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Does anyone know if we can donate to Eli yet? As a Hoosier I know he won't need a defense fund but I would like to give him some beer/ammo money.
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View Quote Who took the bottom photo? |
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https://rumble.com/v1cqwwn-lefties-upset-man-with-concealed-carry-shoots-mass-shooter-dead-in-mall.htmlhttps://rumble.com/v1cqwwn-lefties-upset-man-with-concealed-carry-shoots-mass-shooter-dead-in-mall.html
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View Quote Gotta be anqueefa. Look how skinny that soyboy is. |
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Quoted: Another skinny incel looking type. What the heck is it about the type? View Quote Weirdo or absent parents, violent video games, and unfettered access to the internet including pornography starting at a young age. These boys never develop the skills necessary to exist in the real world, and when they come of age and are rejected by the world, a small percentage of them lash out in a murderous, suicidal rage. I truly believe that is what the current epidemic of mass shootings is all about. Every one of these shitheads fit the same damn profile. Seems like the powers at be are more than happy to stand by and watch it happen, as there’s no other greater driving force for their ambitions than mass shooters. |
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Quoted: This. I do walk back drills/comps on steel silhouettes out to 100 yards with my peeps regularly. It is a good confidence booster and shows you that hitting at distance with a pistol isn't a far fetched fantasy. View Quote 100% truth. we shoot steel gongs at 100 yards routinely with our pistols. train as you fight fight as you train |
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Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG View Quote That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. |
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Quoted: That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. |
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Quoted: Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. I smell a clone in the works |
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Has there been a reason identified why the dude went to shoot up a mall?
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Quoted: I'm shocked this thread is only 12 pages. Armed samaritan ends mass shooting. This is the story the left needs to hear. Eli is a hero. View Quote Seconded Attached File |
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Quoted: Train as you fight, cites a steel gong that doesn’t move and doesn’t shoot back. ROFL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Train as you fight, cites a steel gong that doesn’t move and doesn’t shoot back. ROFL. What moving target setup do you use? If you built it yourself, please post a thread with instructions. Quoted: Has there been a reason identified why the dude went to shoot up a mall? Theories so far seem to include "because video games" and "he couldn't get pussy" |
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Quoted: What moving target setup do you use? If you built it yourself, please post a thread with instructions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Train as you fight, cites a steel gong that doesn’t move and doesn’t shoot back. ROFL. What moving target setup do you use? If you built it yourself, please post a thread with instructions. Attached File |
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Quoted: Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. The memes say it was a Springfield Hellcat. LEGACY DEFENDED |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG That picture makes it look a little farther. Someone needs to go measure. Yep. And we need to know the model of the Glock, the ammo used, and the sights on the Glock. I smell a clone in the works I feel like this may be a boring clone build. Maybe I already have a clone build and don't know it yet. |
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Quoted: Isn't that something? No body armor. No shield. No Punisher phone. No hand sanitizer. No laughing matter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Elisjsha Dicken did what 400 cops couldn't do. Isn't that something? No body armor. No shield. No Punisher phone. No hand sanitizer. No laughing matter. |
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Same accuracy, a snub, revolver, LCP, Glock 42 (less than 10 round capacity) would have been out of ammo and required a reload.
Civilian example of why capacity is advantageous. |
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Quoted: What moving target setup do you use? If you built it yourself, please post a thread with instructions. View Quote I didn't build one, I bought it It's absolutely a great idea to shoot targets at long range. It isn't "train as you fight" because standing stationary and shooting at a nonmoving target that isn't shooting back at you under stress is nothing like "the fight". If he'd have left that phrase out, I wouldn't have said shit. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Same accuracy, a snub, revolver, LCP, Glock 42 (less than 10 round capacity) would have been out of ammo and required a reload. Civilian example of why capacity is advantageous. Yep carry the biggest gun you can hide Luckily for me I'm 6'5 so a Glock 17 conceals just fine haha |
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Quoted: Oh yeah, hitting a steel plate in your backyard is exactly the same as hitting a skinny moving target at an unfamiliar range. Billy badass over here I don't care how good you are on your own personal range, I bet you don't make 8/10 or even close to it in that scenario. 120 feet is not anything that the vast majority of pistol shooters are going to make 50% hits on much less 80%. Did you see the pictures? You know how easy it is for people to exaggerate or overestimate distances? I'd guess it was 40 feet, not 40 yards. Again, still great shooting from the young man but no reason for needless exaggeration. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd like to see some confirmation on the 40 yards factoid. That is an incredible distance and quite frankly unless the kid is a professional shooter, I don't believe it, and in looking at the pictures of the food court I don't think that distance adds up. Good shooting for sure, but there's no reason to exaggerate the claims either. Jesus, some of you really need to shoot more. A torso-sized target at 40 yards is not a difficult shot, especially when you're braced. Add in adrenaline/likelihood of death and it becomes tougher but it is most certainly doable. I shoot at 45 yards regularly off my deck with all my pistols. I ring headshots on the steel silhouette without a problem. If you're the type to stand in one spot on the firing line and shoot at 10 yards, yeah you probably think 40 yards is really fucking hard with a pistol. Oh yeah, hitting a steel plate in your backyard is exactly the same as hitting a skinny moving target at an unfamiliar range. Billy badass over here I don't care how good you are on your own personal range, I bet you don't make 8/10 or even close to it in that scenario. 120 feet is not anything that the vast majority of pistol shooters are going to make 50% hits on much less 80%. Did you see the pictures? You know how easy it is for people to exaggerate or overestimate distances? I'd guess it was 40 feet, not 40 yards. Again, still great shooting from the young man but no reason for needless exaggeration. Sorry you can't shoot, bro. Your butthurt reaction only proves that YOU suck so you think everyone sucks. |
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Quoted: Luckily for me I'm 6'5 so a Glock 17 conceals just fine haha View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Same accuracy, a snub, revolver, LCP, Glock 42 (less than 10 round capacity) would have been out of ammo and required a reload. Civilian example of why capacity is advantageous. Yep carry the biggest gun you can hide Luckily for me I'm 6'5 so a Glock 17 conceals just fine haha Lucky, for me it’s a G19. I have a G17 but it’s just a smidge too big |
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Quoted: I didn't build one, I bought it It's absolutely a great idea to shoot targets at long range. It isn't "train as you fight" because standing stationary and shooting at a nonmoving target that isn't shooting back at you under stress is nothing like "the fight". If he'd have left that phrase out, I wouldn't have said shit. View Quote What setup did you buy? You seem to feel attacked, I just want to know what target setup you're using. |
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Quoted: Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've got about 80' from that furthest column in the eating area with the good line of sight to the rough spot where scumbag died, which is further back in that vestibule. If first engagement was at the vestibule opening then it's about 60'. If Eli was braced at the column nearest the Subway then it looks to be about 36' to the restroom vestibule opening. 120' is still plausible from within the dining area, but not much that jives with the report that he braced against a "post". Guess we'll just have to wait for an official report, a reenactment, or a video leak. Still very good shooting to draw, steady, and fire within 15 seconds and hit 8 out of 10. I can agree it was great shooting regardless of the actual range. No doubt he was under considerable stress. Here's something else to consider. He's a relatively young man, and if the reporting is accurate, he's carried for less than three weeks. Barely past the "wally walk" stage. Another image of the food court I saw posted, with a more normal camera focal length lens https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/qoqyuwj11nc91_jpg-2459540.JPG There should be a square column off this pic to the right and the cookie store he shot from is behind and right of this pic. I’ve been there 100s of times. The pics of the food court that have been posted people keep thinking it has to be a column with-in the pic. It’s not. |
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Quoted: Train as you fight, cites a steel gong that doesn’t move and doesn’t shoot back. ROFL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 100% truth. we shoot steel gongs at 100 yards routinely with our pistols. train as you fight fight as you train Train as you fight, cites a steel gong that doesn’t move and doesn’t shoot back. ROFL. Because no one trains with targets that shoot back |
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This incident as should shut down all the point shooters, and snubby from the sweatshirt pocket posters... but it won't.
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Quoted: I didn't build one, I bought it It's absolutely a great idea to shoot targets at long range. It isn't "train as you fight" because standing stationary and shooting at a nonmoving target that isn't shooting back at you under stress is nothing like "the fight". If he'd have left that phrase out, I wouldn't have said shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What moving target setup do you use? If you built it yourself, please post a thread with instructions. I didn't build one, I bought it It's absolutely a great idea to shoot targets at long range. It isn't "train as you fight" because standing stationary and shooting at a nonmoving target that isn't shooting back at you under stress is nothing like "the fight". If he'd have left that phrase out, I wouldn't have said shit. It's working on fundamentals while shooting at distance. The fight is the top of the ladder. Every ring you grab is in preparation for that fight. |
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