Also, for everyone referencing the VC/NVA, don't forget, we killed them by the big bushel basket full wiping out an estimating 1,000,000 NVA/ VC and 2,000,000 civilians.  

That's more dead than the US has experienced in every single war (including the largest death toll, the civil war) to date put together.




The VC/ NVA in threads like this is more of an example of how to get the ever loving shit kicked out of you than it is a success story.  

Especially with all the threads circle jerking the .mil.

I would think the only way an insurgency would be successful is to start up long after a .gov Martial Law clamp down. That would give .gov a chance to get complacent and the local populations time to get pissed off.

They would pounce on any initial resistance movement (as they are already practicing to do--Jade Helm).

If this Arfcom Fap-Fes did happen, I would bank more on certain clumps of states saying fuck you and creating confederations and spheres of cooperation. Don't know if or how it would work. The losers in that scenario would be Conservatives in Blue states and Liberals/FSA in the Red states.

TC

That's what history calls a Pyrrhic victory.

You're forgetting the part about how they kicked the U.S. out, then went on to do the same to the ChiComs.  Just like the Afghans and Iraqis after them.  That's called a pattern.

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The government would have the advantage of pervasive COMINT resources. It would be difficult to organize large scale, distributed insurgent forces.

On the other hand, the US is a high trust, low security nation, and almost all of the nomenklatura and government officials have low personal security.

Really? They negotiated our surrender?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humor

No I'm not.

 

Because the military has absolutely no experience PIDing from a long ass way away. You're out of your league.

Of course they have. While it's in everyone's best interest to keep us around, there's no reason they need to keep us around without eroding our strengths.

Recently? They've been balls deep in our divisive politics for half a century. Russia more than China, china just wants our nice things without inventing or paying for them.

Which is why the insurgents we have been fighting for the past decade gave up the game and surrendered. Or maybe not so much and they continue to hide among the civilian population and make them difficult to target them. If it was easy for the military to ID guerillas we would have had a much easier time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or perhaps you can give some examples of all the times they were decimated in far range ambushes.

Pronouncing yourself right doesn't mean that our are, it just makes you look childish and unable to argue your position.

lol

First, government doesn't have the resources to enact a total marshal law scenario. If shit went tits up in a municipality or a small region LEO would initially comply, probably in the interest of law and order but I heard a former northcom general (can't recall his name) in an interview say that law enforcement's role would only last about 28 days before they would be disarmed and join general population. This is due to their living among they general population and the Feds would not trust them to remain "unsympathetic" as he put it.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/04/tyrants-beware-4th-generation-warfare.html

^ This about covers it. I saw something in this thread about the .gov paying money for people to become collaborators. That works real well for a while, until the informants start ending up dead in various gruesome ways. We have a real-world model for that actually in our own backyards. Remember "Stop Snitching?" ask any veteran cop about the "I didn't see nothing." responses when a gang hit goes down.

To quote the article:



Guerrillas don't think in terms of .mil strategy ie. blow up all their tanks, kill all of their fighting men, hold this ground. They think in more political/ideological terms: What will get my objective accomplished the quickest? Liberate comrades and fellow travelers from prisons, execute members of the puppet government set up by the COIN forces in their own "safe spaces." etc.

Because Al Qaeda and ISIS are having such a problem finding replacement leaders.

I am not sure how many groups there would be, what/who they would be or what their ideology/reasons/purpose/goals, etc.. would be





on average most will obey whatever authority tells them.


They will get on trains, strip, be gassed or whatever other example from history you can think up in this gruesome hypothetical..





There would be insurgents, but who would they be? who would be behind them?





what groups, sorts of groups have we seen in the past


Revolutionary war


Spanish American war


WW1


WW2


Post WW2 independence / decolonization wars in Asia


China


Korea


Vietnam


Wars in S. America


String of wars in the M.E. leading up to now





you have the major (and minor?) world political groups


you have major and minor regional groups




eta- you also have loyalist groups and your opportunist criminals, etc..




A lot depends on the scale and these details
 

I am assuming that you would be recruiting strictly gorillas and that you are excluding the other apes, mainly due to size and/or temperment. While I can work with this paradigm, I think it is necessary to point out that bonobos chimps are 5 to 6 times as strong as a man, have violent warlike tendencies, and can be trained to use rudimentary tools such as clubs.

Since you are also restricting yourself to small gorillas, I assume you wish to exclude both the Eastern (Gorilla beringei graueri) and Mountain gorilla (Gorilla beringei beringei) subspecies, and concentrate on either the Western Lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla) or the Cross River gorilla (Gorilla gorilla diehli). Since the Cross River gorilla is the most scarce, we can safely assume then that you wish to use solely the Western Lowland gorilla in your hypothetical combat scenario.

Western lowland gorillas are more suited to cross country travel, and are a fairly resilient bunch in the face of poachers. They have been known to ambush poachers, so good choice.

I would refuse to give the gorillas any guns, mainly because they are fucking gorillas, and I barely trust most of the humans I know with a pea shooter, much less a firearm. This moots your suggestion that I give the gorillas two guns. If I am dealing with gorillas armed with clubs, I am keeping the guns, I am keeping them loaded, and they will be a couple of big fucking guns because frankly, gorillas scare me. They are large, powerful animals, and they seem to have the same amount of brain power as the average Democrat.

Also, they may resent my training methodology. I have noticed that many humans do, and I also keep my gun handy when training them to use weapons for the same exact reason.

So, in order to keep me safe from the gorillas as I train them for war, a difficult task since they are colorblind and will most likely refuse to salute or acknowledge any sort of non-poop involved rank structure, I will most likely keep a 12 guage shotgun loaded with #1 buck and a Glock 20 or 21 very, very handy.

All hail rcatesbiana.

Everyone knows that the large majority of "guerrilla" paramilitaries have never been successful without outside aid from other Nations right? That the entire idea of their strength is "they can hide among the people" falls apart rapidly?  

Is there anything you're not an expert on? Skull caps, guerrilla warfare, wow!

Quick question, super serial: Will there be USB chargers and WiFi at the FEMA camps?

 

Legit question that needs answered by one of the FEMA guards-in-training

Don't have the be a know it all, just know enough to know who does.

 


FWIW Stuff like this used to be light reading for me growing up, and I still keep this book around;




Which, I recently found out is just part of a 12 volume set.

The VC kicked America out after we slaughtered them, and the NVA kicked us out after we bombed them to the brink?

Interdasding

This.  

Civil war for us is lose/lose

Funny that too, because I thought that we went through a years long process of training the South Vietnamese while we slowly lowered the number of troops that were in country.

 

Which happened after we decimated their country damn near to the definition from the Roman Days Of Old.


Interdasting indeed!



Either that or he gets his history from the history channel and ARF.

These guys won't go along with the plan, and this is kind of the thing they live for. Latest estimates were that more than 3500 SF qualified soldiers have signed onto this. That is a lot of guys that live for UW....

SF letter to Obama

. But it's best if the troubles never started. I'm guessing you'd agree with that.

Of course, and this letter was not just a statement of where they stand but also an attempt at a deterrent to keep it from happening. There are a lot of guys in the Regiment that take the institutional rumor about Kennedy charging the SF with the defense of this nation against the government very seriously. This letter is part of that mentality.