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Posted: 2/7/2021 11:25:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:54:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I meant like another country adopted it as their standard service rifle and we would just give them to them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not true we managed to give away quite a few during 90's ...  I meant like another country adopted it as their standard service rifle and we would just give them to them. It wasn't adopted as a main issue weapon by another major country (although they were used by several other countries) because they had their own .30 cal MBRs and before long we started moving in another direction. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 4:12:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It wasn't adopted as a main issue weapon by another major country (although they were used by several other countries) because they had their own .30 cal MBRs and before long we started moving in another direction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not true we managed to give away quite a few during 90's ... I meant like another country adopted it as their standard service rifle and we would just give them to them. It wasn't adopted as a main issue weapon by another major country (although they were used by several other countries) because they had their own .30 cal MBRs and before long we started moving in another direction. Didn't Taiwan adopt it for some time as the Type 58, after buying the machinery from TRW, IIRC? Probably the only instance I can think of. Of course, the M-14 wasn't marketed to other countries, so its lack of adoption doesn't really mean much. However, its cousin, the BM-59, was marketed, and it had limited adoption, so I'd think the same would likely have been true for the M-14 had it been similarly marketed. I think adopters of the BM-59 included Italy, San Marino, Nigeria, Argentina, Algeria, Indonesia, and I think a few others. IIRC, Indonesia and Nigeria produced them under license. I think some countries adopted them due to ease of converting their Garands rather than getting brand new rifles, something not possible for the M-14 since it uses a different receiver. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 4:13:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Century Arms C308 has been pretty good. I think I paid about $600 a few years ago for it. No complaints from me. same |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:33:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, trashcan design still belongs in a trash can. Roller lock is literally the most retarded thing Ze Germans have ever invented, gun wise at least. Their WW2 tank transmissions get an honorable mention, simply because they were attached to a gun. Funny how AK's and even AR-15's don't need scheduled maintenance to literally the most important/dangerous dimension of the gun (headspace). I'll make it simple for the mouth breathers, rollers concentrate force on a linear contact point, the AK and AR (and every other design) distribute the force on a planar contact area. That's why the roller lock wears out so fast, needing bigger rollers every "x" number of rounds (and X = not very big number), greatly increased PSI. Or kilograms per square meter, or whatever... Fucking stupid ass design. I thought they stole it from Poland or am thinking of another gun design? (I could be completely mistaken on this) |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:41:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Taiwan adopt it for some time as the Type 58, after buying the machinery from TRW, IIRC? Probably the only instance I can think of. Of course, the M-14 wasn't marketed to other countries, so its lack of adoption doesn't really mean much. However, its cousin, the BM-59, was marketed, and it had limited adoption, so I'd think the same would likely have been true for the M-14 had it been similarly marketed. I think adopters of the BM-59 included Italy, San Marino, Nigeria, Argentina, Algeria, Indonesia, and I think a few others. IIRC, Indonesia and Nigeria produced them under license. I think some countries adopted them due to ease of converting their Garands rather than getting brand new rifles, something not possible for the M-14 since it uses a different receiver. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not true we managed to give away quite a few during 90's ... I meant like another country adopted it as their standard service rifle and we would just give them to them. It wasn't adopted as a main issue weapon by another major country (although they were used by several other countries) because they had their own .30 cal MBRs and before long we started moving in another direction. Didn't Taiwan adopt it for some time as the Type 58, after buying the machinery from TRW, IIRC? Probably the only instance I can think of. Of course, the M-14 wasn't marketed to other countries, so its lack of adoption doesn't really mean much. However, its cousin, the BM-59, was marketed, and it had limited adoption, so I'd think the same would likely have been true for the M-14 had it been similarly marketed. I think adopters of the BM-59 included Italy, San Marino, Nigeria, Argentina, Algeria, Indonesia, and I think a few others. IIRC, Indonesia and Nigeria produced them under license. I think some countries adopted them due to ease of converting their Garands rather than getting brand new rifles, something not possible for the M-14 since it uses a different receiver. Yes, and that's what I was referring to by saying "several other countries" as opposed to major Western nations. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:53:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Garand type actions are notoriously vulnerable to debris fouling, and no, wiping off the outside of the T slot tracks does not fix that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: G3 rifles are good but have some drawbacks. They're all heavy because of that massive receiver and bolt carrier. The charging handle is awkward and the other ergonomics might be bad too depending on the configuration and furniture. The trigger's a bit heavy. I'd rather have an M14-type. It weighs about a pound less, has a perfect trigger, better sights (longer radius, click-adjustable windage, more elevation range, better sight picture, no wobble in the rear aperture), has a shorter profile top-to-bottom, can take a shooting sling, is easier to clean, etc. The action's open but that might work both ways if you need to clear the debris out with your fingers. Garand type actions are notoriously vulnerable to debris fouling, and no, wiping off the outside of the T slot tracks does not fix that. The Garand was used thru WWII and Korea and worked well in a wide variety of conditions. Unreliable was not something they had a problem with. Enough with the revisionist history. It was the best rifle in both conflicts that was issued in meaningful numbers*. *a few thousand MP44's fall into the category of way too little, way too late and I would take a M1 over an 10 round fixed magazine SKS any time. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:39:49 PM EDT
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One of Trump's last executive orders was that the G3 was to be the new standard issue for the US military. Fact.
 Anyone who disagrees is a Biden-loving faggot.  Attached FilePOTUS inspecting one of the first new Army rifles, Jan 5th 2021  Attached FileUS SF receiving training on the new battle rifle from allied instructors, Jan 10th 2021  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of Trump's last executive orders was that the G3 was to be the new standard issue for the US military. Fact. Anyone who disagrees is a Biden-loving faggot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/1492379461648_jpg-1818832.JPG POTUS inspecting one of the first new Army rifles, Jan 5th 2021 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/146473348_10160772132429408_153102944861-1818828.JPG US SF receiving training on the new battle rifle from allied instructors, Jan 10th 2021 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/146680577_10160772132439408_452719637698-1818829.JPG Nice. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 10:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of Trump's last executive orders was that the G3 was to be the new standard issue for the US military. Fact. Anyone who disagrees is a Biden-loving faggot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/1492379461648_jpg-1818832.JPG POTUS inspecting one of the first new Army rifles, Jan 5th 2021 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/146473348_10160772132429408_153102944861-1818828.JPG US SF receiving training on the new battle rifle from allied instructors, Jan 10th 2021 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135411/146680577_10160772132439408_452719637698-1818829.JPG LOFL... Clearly the Make Americans love G3's Again platform. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 10:38:57 PM EDT
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That brass catcher must be hella strong, my old G3 could probably break a window ejecting cases.
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Garand was used thru WWII and Korea and worked well in a wide variety of conditions. Unreliable was not something they had a problem with. Enough with the revisionist history. It was the best rifle in both conflicts that was issued in meaningful numbers*. *a few thousand MP44's fall into the category of way too little, way too late and I would take a M1 over an 10 round fixed magazine SKS any time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: G3 rifles are good but have some drawbacks. They're all heavy because of that massive receiver and bolt carrier. The charging handle is awkward and the other ergonomics might be bad too depending on the configuration and furniture. The trigger's a bit heavy. I'd rather have an M14-type. It weighs about a pound less, has a perfect trigger, better sights (longer radius, click-adjustable windage, more elevation range, better sight picture, no wobble in the rear aperture), has a shorter profile top-to-bottom, can take a shooting sling, is easier to clean, etc. The action's open but that might work both ways if you need to clear the debris out with your fingers. Garand type actions are notoriously vulnerable to debris fouling, and no, wiping off the outside of the T slot tracks does not fix that. The Garand was used thru WWII and Korea and worked well in a wide variety of conditions. Unreliable was not something they had a problem with. Enough with the revisionist history. It was the best rifle in both conflicts that was issued in meaningful numbers*. *a few thousand MP44's fall into the category of way too little, way too late and I would take a M1 over an 10 round fixed magazine SKS any time. While it's absolutely true that the Garand was the best rifle of it's era, it's also true that the design is vulnerable to external debris. This drawback was known during WWII; Time magazine even did a story on it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 12:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That brass catcher must be hella strong, my old G3 could probably break a window ejecting cases. The brass usually impacts the upper, steel part of the brass catcher before falling down in the rubber bag. It's referred to as "Elefantpungen", the elephant scrotum. |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 5:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The brass usually impacts the upper, steel part of the brass catcher before falling down in the rubber bag. It's referred to as "Elefantpungen", the elephant scrotum. Where might one acquire such a scrotum? |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 1:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where might one acquire such a scrotum? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The brass usually impacts the upper, steel part of the brass catcher before falling down in the rubber bag. It's referred to as "Elefantpungen", the elephant scrotum. Where might one acquire such a scrotum? A few were sold as surplus when the AK4B replaced the AK4 (there's slight differences in the attachment point), but I think most were scrapped. I rarely see them on the 2nd hand market. |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 2:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I own and enjoy my FAL and G3, they are not what I'd grab first. The AR10 is an old battle rifle design that I can still get on board with. Both the AR15 and AR10 just seem to be winning. I had a FAL. Big, heavy log of a rifle with no real redeeming qualities. It looked great hanging on the wall. Inaccurate as hell. Don't miss it. |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 2:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Century Arms C308 has been pretty good. I think I paid about $600 a few years ago for it. No complaints from me. Same, I enjoy mine a lot. No issues as of yet. |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 2:45:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While it's absolutely true that the Garand was the best rifle of it's era, it's also true that the design is vulnerable to external debris. This drawback was known during WWII; Time magazine even did a story on it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: G3 rifles are good but have some drawbacks. They're all heavy because of that massive receiver and bolt carrier. The charging handle is awkward and the other ergonomics might be bad too depending on the configuration and furniture. The trigger's a bit heavy. I'd rather have an M14-type. It weighs about a pound less, has a perfect trigger, better sights (longer radius, click-adjustable windage, more elevation range, better sight picture, no wobble in the rear aperture), has a shorter profile top-to-bottom, can take a shooting sling, is easier to clean, etc. The action's open but that might work both ways if you need to clear the debris out with your fingers. Garand type actions are notoriously vulnerable to debris fouling, and no, wiping off the outside of the T slot tracks does not fix that. The Garand was used thru WWII and Korea and worked well in a wide variety of conditions. Unreliable was not something they had a problem with. Enough with the revisionist history. It was the best rifle in both conflicts that was issued in meaningful numbers*. *a few thousand MP44's fall into the category of way too little, way too late and I would take a M1 over an 10 round fixed magazine SKS any time. While it's absolutely true that the Garand was the best rifle of it's era, it's also true that the design is vulnerable to external debris. This drawback was known during WWII; Time magazine even did a story on it. The USMC brass were basically forced to adopt the M1, in part by their lower ranks "acquiring" them whenever possible*. They were also echoing the US Army Ordinance people that were worried about "wasting ammo". Mind you no rifle is perfect or will ever be including the M16/M4. If you throw enough stuff in the action, it will cause problems. *despite the crayon jokes, Marines are not actually stupid. |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 9:40:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: I had a FAL. Big, heavy log of a rifle with no real redeeming qualities. It looked great hanging on the wall. Inaccurate as hell. Don't miss it. Agreed, I had two. One was a pristine STG-58 and the other an Izzy LB. Both have been long gone and I don’t miss either. They never did anything for me, I just didn’t see the allure to them. Now for some a odd reason I do have an itch for a paratrooper but again it does nothing better than my 16 inch AR-10. I just want one though.... |
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Posted: 2/16/2021 1:37:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:49:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:45:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USMC brass were basically forced to adopt the M1, in part by their lower ranks "acquiring" them whenever possible*. They were also echoing the US Army Ordinance people that were worried about "wasting ammo". Mind you no rifle is perfect or will ever be including the M16/M4. If you throw enough stuff in the action, it will cause problems. *despite the crayon jokes, Marines are not actually stupid. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 12:22:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USMC wasn't forced to adopt it and their lower ranks weren't stealing them either. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 2:03:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read that they literally were stealing them from the Army on Guadalcanal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The USMC wasn't forced to adopt it and their lower ranks weren't stealing them either. I’ve read the same thing as well |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 3:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His/karls WWSD is just a nothing special AR wrapped up in ego. Apparently you missed the entirety of what they were thinking of which they've said many times and its in the cocking name. Another thing not related to the quote there are so many bible thumpers here that have the book so far up their ass they dont even realize that they have less of a chance to get into the land of god than the satanists do. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 3:39:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While it's absolutely true that the Garand was the best rifle of it's era, it's also true that the design is vulnerable to external debris. This drawback was known during WWII; Time magazine even did a story on it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 8:32:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently you missed the entirety of what they were thinking of which they've said many times and its in the cocking name. Another thing not related to the quote there are so many bible thumpers here that have the book so far up their ass they dont even realize that they have less of a chance to get into the land of god than the satanists do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: His/karls WWSD is just a nothing special AR wrapped up in ego. Apparently you missed the entirety of what they were thinking of which they've said many times and its in the cocking name. Another thing not related to the quote there are so many bible thumpers here that have the book so far up their ass they dont even realize that they have less of a chance to get into the land of god than the satanists do. You might want to actually read the Bible before you decide you know the tenets of the Faith. |
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Posted: 3/3/2021 8:47:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read that they literally were stealing them from the Army on Guadalcanal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The USMC wasn't forced to adopt it and their lower ranks weren't stealing them either. The USMC issued garands to the rear echelon troops first..the infantry last. By early '43 they were fully equipped with garands as required. Did they steal some? Probably...hell Marines do that to other services...I did. |
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