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I've been preparing for SHTF since the 1990's. My level of urgency rises and falls, but I do believe this country and even this world are on a long term trend toward anarchy, war, famine, and pestilence. It's mostly because the people running things are a bunch of arrogant idiots.
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Been through hurricanes with extended lack of first world Luxuries for extended periods.
People adapt, and the average person is not nearly as feral as as arfcom thinks they are. We do have a lot of bad apples that need to get culled, for sure, but the problem has festered simply because Democrats protect them. Cut that protection out and we are free to do the needful. El Salvador is doing that now. On a side note, It's interesting that about 85% of the total prison population are or were drug addicts. Something else we need to deal with. |
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Things were worse in the 90s than they are now IMO.
Biden’s ATF is a paper tiger compared the Clinton years. At least now most Americans can carry a gun for self defense. |
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Quoted: Been through hurricanes with extended lack of first world Luxuries. People adapt, and the average person is not nearly as feral as as arfcom thinks they are. View Quote Exactly, constant exposure to news stories about people going insane and murdering whole families for no apparent reason creates biases. In an actual emergency most people just muddle along. They don't usually declare themselves "lord Humongous of the Cul de Sack" and begin demanding tribute of gold, saltpeter and slaves from their neighibors. |
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I used to be a doomer but then I got better. Things have never been better for me.
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IDGAF about DOOM!
If OMGDOOM! is on the horizon, there isn't a thing I can do about it. The only thing I have control over in this world is myself. All I care about is protecting my family, providing for my family, raising my kids and making myself better. In other words, living a happy fulfilled life. If everyone was focused on those things, Doom wouldn't even be in the equation. |
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Quoted: Doom is a tool used to monitor and control the paranoid. eVeRy dAy iTs gEtTiNg wOrSe This has been the marching beat from and for a certain group for as long as I've been alive, and I'm sure long before that. gEt yOuRs nOw You're going to be fine. /edit: I differentiate between 'prepping' and the actual DOOMERs who do exist. View Quote How often did your government steal an election in a coup, and surround the capital with barbed wire and thousands of armed troops, because they feared a revolt ? Or the president bragging about criminal activities, making unconstitutional laws, because there was no consequences. Or importing tens of millions of third worlders, in order to destroy stability, and gain more democrat seats in congress ? Or the attorney general of the USA, speaking about how voter laws are racist and should be ignored? Or government 35 trillion in debt, and adding another trillion every 3 months? Openly political criminal prosecutions, where rule of law is tossed out the window. Or 100 other even worse things. But sure, things today are no different than 40 years ago when you first heard someone say “ this generation sucks ! “. |
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Is it doom if the things everyone said were crazy have already happened, then the "lol doomers" folks moved the goalposts, then even crazier stuff continues to happen right out in the open?
Like fed lists levels of doom? Imported ID-less voters levels of doom? Chinese and Middle Eastern illegal immigrants escorted through an open southern border by the fucking President levels of doom? Not asking for a friend. |
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Quoted: I've been preparing for SHTF since the 1990's. My level of urgency rises and falls, but I do believe this country and even this world are on a long term trend toward anarchy, war, famine, and pestilence. It's mostly because the people running things are a bunch of arrogant idiots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271112/IMPACT_YOUR_VERY_EXISTENCE_jpg-3149096.JPG View Quote Yes, except replace arrogant idiot with evil sociopath. They know exactly what they are doing and it is for all the wrong reasons. |
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Quoted: Decades of concern with nothing really happening had led to diminished sense of impending doom and prepper fatigue. View Quote I’d beg to differ, very much so has happened for the worse, just because your life hasn’t started sucking doesn’t mean millions of others lives haven’t, but I guarantee at some point soon, this tidal wave of shit will pact your own life in some meaningful way. Job loss, some diversity super citizen murders someone you love in a robbery, killed by a illegal drunk driver with a dozen dui convictions the victim / your loved one is blamed and perpetrator is released without bail with a big smile on his face and middle finger towards you, suddenly you can’t afford electricity, or there’s none to buy, your kids teachers decide they are now gay, or should become trans, some loony who can’t be committed burns your church down with people in it, and mobs of supporters cheer them on / protect them, or any one of a thousand other things very common these days decides to take roost above your home. |
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Quoted: While true, that’s not something everyone can accomplish, for the vast majority they won’t profit, they will end up on the crisis end of things, not benefitting from it, being a victim of it. View Quote True, but one can strive to thrive (live without unnecessary hardships). Start with heirloom seeds. The survival forum here is better suited for that type of discussion. |
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Normalcy bias is the opiate of the ignorant. Plus real opiates, of course. The trend line sucks over the last couple of years. Paraphrasing runcible, 'If you can't see at this point what's going to happen, thats on you.' Despair is a sin. So don't despair. Find people who feel similarly, get together with them, and start organizing and doing contingency planning. (The guy who offers you a bomb is a Fed.) This quote from ADM Stockdale is good to put into practice (hat tip @Screechjet . I know he got banned): You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. |
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Not doom, just common sense...
We have hurricanes here. I stacked the plywood I used to board up my windows, marked each one as to the window it fits. I have a generator. I have some canned food, freeze dried packs, and a few MREs. It amazes me how there will be a run on generators and gas cans when a storm approaches, and how many of said generators and gas cans get returned once the storm passes... I have the means of self defense and more importantly, the training to know how to use the appropriate tools. To live otherwise is foolish. Being unprepared for life WROL is equally foolish.. |
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My belief in "DOOM" has been on a general decline as I aged. This isn't to say any number of things aren't a PITA, or even a straight up bad problem, but that it's absolutely positively certain to all build up in some confluence, creating a SHTF collapse of some sort?
For fucks sake, get over it. It's not. If it was, it would have already in any number of ways Or, if/when some big SHTF does happen, the details and the "Who, What, Where, When, Why, & How" will bear zero relationship to most anyone's predictions or warnings. Yes, there's "Normalcy bias" and it'll burn you bad, especially if there's cattle cars & Gestapo rounding folks up. Or the volcano is rumbling. However, the opposite is true. And, "Normalcy bias" is not the same as "Optimism bias." And it's important to note, it's very rare that someone can sell you something with "Normalcy bias." Instead, it's almost "Worst Case bias." Even when Normalcy or Optimism biases are being used to sell something, it's often still got some negative aspects to it, usually trying to instill FOMO, etc. And if/when they do match someone's warnings & predictions, it's almost always complete blind luck. Because when there's a bazillion different doom predictions and warnings being thrown everywhere, one will be "correct" sometimes. As you get older, you have the opportunity to gain perspective, although that doesn't mean everyone takes that opportunity. And, one should realize there were historical times just in the US alone, where things were very very spicy as compared to today. Bleeding Kansas. The actual Civil War. The Great Depression. And more recently on the US domestic culture & politics front, the late 60s and early 70s were extremely spicy in real terms. Race riots in multiple cities. And in '71 & '72, radicals were getting extremely salty that the huge counter-culture shifts, "Sumner of Love," Woodstock, hippies, free-love, drugs, Vietnam protests, and whatever else that seemed so "big," was just kind of flattening out, leveling, returning to the mean. At least that's how it looked from their perspective anyway. They all thought, or hoped, that it was some huge tsunami they could ride, and maybe steer just a bit, that would wipe everything away. And as they got frustrated that it didn't, they tried to make it happen. There were 2,500 terror/political bombings in the year and a half span between 1971 & '72. That's roughly 5 a day. Granted, these weren't ANFO truck VBIEDs like OKC or the first '94 attempt on the WTC, but they were all bigger than the Unabomber's devices, and were from the last years of when retail "ditching dynamite" was still a thing at rural hardware and feed stores. Then look at the hand wringing shitshow over the single lone '96 Olympic Park Atlanta bombing, and Richard Jewell made it a nothingburger with zero casualties because he raised the alarm, and the FBI had such a hard-on to solve it, they fucked him as the suspect on a "fake hero" theory. And perhaps a big incentive for the FBI to ignore it might have been Eric Rudolph whom they'd been unable to catch, and was an embarrassment Then of course Ruby Ridge, Waco, the '94 AWB which had the big "they're trying to disarm us" aspect to it. And the building impression there were double-standards of justice for the Democrats/Left vs. The Republicans/Right, as the absolutely sleazy Clintons were embroiled in endless scandals. Several of which arguably were official misdeeds easily as bad or worse than Watergate. Then, 9/11, with its own set of problems and overreactions, bullshit, and security theater like the TSA in response, 20 years in Afghanistan. It just goes on... Economic? With the debt-backed fiat dollar, and perpetual inflation, even if Fed Reserve & Treasury monetary policy was sound, and Congress hadn't deficit spent once since WWII? Yeah, that absolutely sucks, I won't lie. You coukd fill an encyclopedia with all the problems it causes. And a lot are arguably things the whiny-ass SJW Left bitches about too. Including the poor, and "generational wealth." And it has implications for when they bitch about the ultra-wealthy too. Because they generally have ASSETS, not MONEY. And the assets get bigger numbers as the money inflates, or individual bills shrink in value. However, it wasn't all rosebuds & unicorns when money was "real" with actual silver/gold backing it either. There were big swings, and crunches, and inflation/deflation cycles, stuff that royally screwed over "little people" just trying to pay bills and get groceries. And, there's not enough silver, gold, platinum, or other rare & expensive metals on Earth in its crust, to represent even the US economy. Plus, instead of coins, jewelry, & a King/Queen's crown, we've gotten industrial uses for all of it now. And gold in your smartphone or laptop isn't in a bank vault or coin, and vice-versa. And "goldbugs" or even "multimetals" guys, that just confidently state "Just let it float, and inflate/deflate until it matches the economy..." that is so retarded, there isn't a school bus short enough to take them to special-ed kindergarten. Because your (currently) $1000 smartphone, as priced in shitty debt-fiat FRNs, if it was $10,000 in gold, or $10 in some gold or PM backed currency, either way, it represents a catastrophe the size of the Great Depression and Venezuela combined, and then some. And if you can't understand WHY that is, you really aren't competent to hold any opinions on this at all. I'm not even asking anything sketchy here, like stepping outside the Austrian School. And if you're old enough, you also remember the 1960s & x70s doomerism of overpopulation and starvation and "food wars" as Earth reached impossible populations of five, even six billion... How the next ice-age, the energy crisis, and nuclear winter from the "inevitable" WWIII with the Soviets would make all this incredibly worse... add in the Ozone Layer, and Acid Rain from coal plants too. And maybe you noticed the gradual shift over to Global Warming and then the even more (conveniently) vague "Climate Change." As if to say, "Whatever the weather is like, hotter, colder, wetter, or dryer... it's a big problem that's our fault, and the only way to fix it is FO EVERYTHING WE SAY." Almost as if... "the Doom industry" figured out that the earlier stuff from the 60s & 70s fell flat because it was too specific, hit deadlines that disproved it all in embarrassing fashion, or it had reasonably easy fixes, like sulfur scrubbers on coal plants, and switching fluorocarbon formulas. (And that all happened after the Dupont CFC patents expired too... odd.) And, other subsets of the "Doom Industry" ranging from flat-earth whackjobs, to rather respectable things like economics, inflation, China, illegal immigration, that are more appealing to those on "our side" of the political fence... they do this too. Because, maybe they've got a book to sell. Or, it's not even deliberate or intentional. Doomerism just always has legs, because the pessimism seems astute, and it has a certain sense of cynical wisdom to it. And, one also learns to understand, and filter a bit on the basis that the signal volume, the noise-level, or the signal-to-noise ratio overall, is NOT an indication of "seriousness" or risk. And that's been of increasing importance over the years. The media inflation of the 24/7 cable news channels, then the Internet & Web, then Social Media, then smartphones... now means the "Doom Industry" isn't getting under your skin from the 1 ton oak Curtis Mathes console TV in the living room, with ABC, NBC, CBS, a PBS, and maybe 2-3 UHF channels running old re-runs... Now, it's in your back pocket, and completely interactive, filtered, and selected, & curated based on your interests and clicks or viewing patterns. In terms of how we mainline the Doom Industry today, every day, 24/7 with a drugs analogy, we went from "strong tea or coffee" to straight up smoking Crystal Meth in just a generation. |
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Worse. The conspiracy theories that turn out to be true definitely hasn't helped, but the "get outside and talk to normal people" is the real reason. I think most people who advocate this live in roughly politicaly aligned areas. I talk to people and realize how fundermentaly divided we are as a country.
The hate toward anything that does not follow the narrative if palpable. And frankly I cannot envision a good exit strategy for this. Sure in the 70's the same attitudes were present, but not openly espoused with the same vitriol by middle aged, middled income suburbanites living cushy lives. A historically an external boggy man could pull us as a nation together, now it will just be another opportunity to blame the other guy. If an impeding unavoidable astroid were to be announced today, the headline would be "______ to blame for cutting NASA funding". How do you return to normal when generations of moral relativists are raising generations of nihilists? |
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I play DOOM sometimes.
But I believe the future will only contain some "Doom", but also progress. |
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Quoted: My belief in “DOOM” has remained pretty steady since 2012-ish. That’s when it became clear to me that the federal government would spend itself to death. Obviously my belief in that has been nothing but reinforced. However, I do not fall into any of your listed categories. For me it has spurred a serious commitment to self reliance, that includes wealth growth, physical fitness & hardening of my living spaces. It spurred my to do things like start a book collection for important knowledge, install a back-up generator & soon a wood stove, build a pond… You get the idea. For me doom isn’t some abstract idea that leaves me scouring the internet for bad news or fapping to TEOWAKI or sitting around fretting over things I cannot control. It is not a wet blanket on my enjoyment of today. For me it simply serves as a motivating & inspiring force to do the needful. View Quote Same here. I'm just trying to set myself and my family up with options: Options for food, water, transportation, heat, cooking, etc. Doing my best to stay in shape and up to date on vehicle maintenance and prioritizing purchases I need RIGHT NOW that would def. help in the future DOOM scenario; like chainsaws and other tools. I always buy way more screws and nails than I need for a project so I can save a trip. You get the idea. In a real bad scenario I wouldn't survive long enough to use all my mags and shoot all my ammo. That's there to outfit and train my kids/grandkids hopefully. I enjoy homesteading/prepping as a hobby. Same with hunting, fishing, reading. I will not regret all my "prepping" if I never need the preps. The kids and I are having fun and making memories. |
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Accept that the country is done, look at the average American and realize half are dumber than that. Stop thinking it will be saved and just live your life continuing to claw your way to the top. It isn't hard to be in the top 5% of this shit show.
Eta: and vote for Trump no matter how much of a dumbass he is. |
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Quoted: Exactly, constant exposure to news stories about people going insane and murdering whole families for no apparent reason creates biases. In an actual emergency most people just muddle along. They don't usually declare themselves "lord Humongous of the Cul de Sack" and begin demanding tribute of gold, saltpeter and slaves from their neighibors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Been through hurricanes with extended lack of first world Luxuries. People adapt, and the average person is not nearly as feral as as arfcom thinks they are. Exactly, constant exposure to news stories about people going insane and murdering whole families for no apparent reason creates biases. In an actual emergency most people just muddle along. They don't usually declare themselves "lord Humongous of the Cul de Sack" and begin demanding tribute of gold, saltpeter and slaves from their neighibors. Guess you missed the rolling gun battles, looted gun shops, fire, ems, and emergency helicopters getting shot at, murders, rapes, robberies , gov confiscation of guns from citizens , all of which exploded during Katrina. |
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Quoted: Is it doom if the things everyone said were crazy have already happened, then the "lol doomers" folks moved the goalposts, then even crazier stuff continues to happen right out in the open? Like fed lists levels of doom? Imported ID-less voters levels of doom? Chinese and Middle Eastern illegal immigrants escorted through an open southern border by the fucking President levels of doom? Not asking for a friend. View Quote Good points. |
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Quoted: Worse. The conspiracy theories that turn out to be true definitely hasn't helped, but the "get outside and talk to normal people" is the real reason. I think most people who advocate this live in roughly politicaly aligned areas. I talk to people and realize how fundermentaly divided we are as a country. The hate toward anything that does not follow the narrative if palpable. And frankly I cannot envision a good exit strategy for this. Sure in the 70's the same attitudes were present, but not openly espoused with the same vitriol by middle aged, middled income suburbanites living cushy lives. A historically an external boggy man could pull us as a nation together, now it will just be another opportunity to blame the other guy. If an impeding unavoidable astroid were to be announced today, the headline would be "______ to blame for cutting NASA funding". How do you return to normal when generations of moral relativists are raising generations of nihilists? View Quote |
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doom is relative. if you are a citizen of best korea you have experienced doom your entire life. if you are on the border on either side in urkaine, you are experiencing doom every day, if you are in the trenches it is especially doomful. if you are in gaza you are experiencing doom. if you are a homeless person living in a cardboard box in a drug camp you are living doom.
there is enough doom to go around. if you want real doom its easy to find. |
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Quoted: Accept that the country is done, look at the average American and realize half are dumber than that. Stop thinking it will be saved and just live your life continuing to claw your way to the top. It isn't hard to be in the top 5% of this shit show. Eta: and vote for Trump no matter how much of a dumbass he is. View Quote This is another signal to noise ratio problem. By and large, people have always been that stupid, that misinformed, or that undereducated. We just now get to see it every day on smartphones. And if one pulls in academic test data, like the math middle schoolers were expected to do in 1955, and their scores, vs. today, history, literacy, or whatever else... they arguably had all the less excuse for whatever dumb ideas or ideologies they held. Besides being able to "see" The idiocy, there is the aspect that idiots before the internet, smartphones, and social media, or the profusion of "narrowcasting" that started in just before it, on cable & satellite TV, & home video... now, instead of keeping their mouth shut, the idiot, (weirdo, pervert, or freak) they now often find people "just like them." Partly, it's just another aspect of the "we just now know..." factor. However, there is also the factor that the idiot now has friends, and is no longer alone. |
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Quoted: Is it doom if the things everyone said were crazy have already happened, then the "lol doomers" folks moved the goalposts, then even crazier stuff continues to happen right out in the open? Like fed lists levels of doom? Imported ID-less voters levels of doom? Chinese and Middle Eastern illegal immigrants escorted through an open southern border by the fucking President levels of doom? Not asking for a friend. View Quote It’s a legit question. A Rational Doomer should be asking themselves: What if my doom assumptions were incorrect. What if real doom, is just a boring slow decline into depressing mediocrity? |
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The "A Dire Warning from Michael Yon" thread has been active on this forum since May, 2022. Enthusiastic Doomers are still posting on it.
It's currently ARFCOM's loudest/longest echo chamber . But, we're still here. |
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Yes, but only because of the doom and gloom I read in the GD.
Starting to believe the GD is like the boy who cried wolf. |
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Quoted: It’s a legit question. A Rational Doomer should be asking themselves: What if my doom assumptions were incorrect. What if real doom, is just a boring slow decline into depressing mediocrity? View Quote |
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Quoted: Yet, it’s all happened before There will be a world war. There will be a global natural and manmade catastrophe The world economy will crash I don’t sit and worry about it but it’s inevitable. May as well accept it and be prepared View Quote Pretty simple, really. Live a prepared lifestyle, but that doesn't mean you have to live in constant fear. You shouldn't. Live prepared and you really won't have to, although you simply can't prepare for everything. Sometimes you can see things coming, sometimes you can't. It would seem apparent there is a storm coming, but today I woke up, had some chicken fingers, about to go to work, today will most likely be a normal day like any other. If it turns out not to be I'll deal with it. Wrote a song in the band I was in in high school. One of the lines in the chorus went "they say the world is coming to an end, but knowing me I really don't give a fuck, don't care never have and never will, I'll deal with it when the time comes..." Do I believe we're heading into hard times, yes. But right now things are ok. At least for me. I will continue to enjoy it while I still can. YMMV. |
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Quoted: Guess you missed the rolling gun battles, looted gun shops, fire, ems, and emergency helicopters getting shot at, murders, rapes, robberies , gov confiscation of guns from citizens , all of which exploded during Katrina. View Quote And that propensity for over reporting and over sensationalizing is now enshrined in social media. Entire industries have grown up around it...not least of which is Prepper Culture. Which is the heir(and multiplier) to the Survivalist movement of the Cold War, the Militia movement of the 90s and the Zombie Apocalypse of the last 20 years. There's a continuum between recognition of the need for self reliance(food, water, meds, security) as a mindset and influence on your lifestyle; and a fixation on a possibility of multiple worst case scenarios playing out simultaneously as the default likelihood in the near future. One is logical, prudent and perfectly healthy. The other, not so much. That highlights one of the fundamental errors in forecasting: That "X" bad outcome will happen and propagate to the worst case outcome because no one will try to mitigate it. The Ukraine war was supposed to start a cascade of failures in the food supply chain and result in widespread catastrophic famine...last year. The danger was there, and the consequences could have been brutal, but steps were taken by even incompetent and corrupt governments and corporations because they don't want their entire populations to die off and, as always, there was profit to be made. No famine. Should people prep? Hell, even FEMA recommends two weeks worth(minimum) of supplies. Should you buy entire suites of guns, spare parts and a lifetime ammo supply for all the grandchildren your toddler might someday produce? ...Maybe? |
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Quoted: How often did your government steal an election in a coup, and surround the capital with barbed wire and thousands of armed troops, because they feared a revolt ? Or the president bragging about criminal activities, making unconstitutional laws, because there was no consequences. Or importing tens of millions of third worlders, in order to destroy stability, and gain more democrat seats in congress ? Or the attorney general of the USA, speaking about how voter laws are racist and should be ignored? Or government 35 trillion in debt, and adding another trillion every 3 months? Openly political criminal prosecutions, where rule of law is tossed out the window. Or 100 other even worse things. But sure, things today are no different than 40 years ago when you first heard someone say “ this generation sucks ! “. View Quote You're fully indoctrinated with the talking points, I understand. You, sir, are a Doomer. I am not. Nothing you say or type here will bring me to your level of Doom paranoia, as I have recognized it as the control it is. I hope you have a wonderful, non-Doom day. |
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I’m with OP.
And just because we aren’t in a canoe teetering on the edge of a waterfall doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pay attention when we hear the rushing sound. Thanks for all you do OP. Your work is appreciated. |
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Read newspapers from 100 years ago .............. same doom different century. Quoted: My favorite GD doom posts is how our military is in shambles, completely combat ineffective and run by communist trannies and gays. The people posting this haven’t been in uniform or around the military in decades. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: GD tends to over consume enemy propaganda (mainstream news) and hence thinks things are a lot more grave then they are in reality. They also skew older and tend to remember the past fondly, as we all do. Naturally suppressing the negatives. Huge gun rights victories over the last 40 years and yet there are still many here who are concerned we are losing the fight for 2nd Amendment rights. My favorite GD doom posts is how our military is in shambles, completely combat ineffective and run by communist trannies and gays. The people posting this haven’t been in uniform or around the military in decades. View Quote |
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Quoted: Doom from its source definition means "judgment." Frankly, humanity gets what it deserves. Humanity doesn't care for Truth and how Reality operates. Man has become so disconnected from Reality, Nature, and The Self. We think we can do what we want without consequences. Well, Reality doesn't work that way. Will I be sad for the small few good souls here who are good people? Yes, but humanity is not separate from itself or nature. I don't fear it but I welcome it. Truth can be loving and caring just as it can be reckoning and chaotic. Force is required to create change. If it causes people to come face to face with The Truth then so be it. The Knowledge has always been out there to prevent this from occurring. People simply ignored it. I don't feel bad for people who ignore The Laws of Nature when they touch a hot stove repeatedly. Sometimes you have to learn through Chaos. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: I've been preparing for SHTF since the 1990's. My level of urgency rises and falls, but I do believe this country and even this world are on a long term trend toward anarchy, war, famine, and pestilence. It's mostly because the people running things are a bunch of arrogant idiots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271112/IMPACT_YOUR_VERY_EXISTENCE_jpg-3149096.JPG View Quote Screen name checks out! |
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I am an old fart (69) I have doom fatigue, i.e. no longer care.
I have lived thru: Club of Rome declaring we had reached the limits of growth. Malthusianism saying we were breading our way to starvation/extinction. Coming Ice Age. Hole in the Ozone. Extinction after being buried under mounds of garbage. Global warming. Andromorphic climate change. Three Mile Island. Nuclear war and Nuclear Winter. Leaded gasoline. |
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Quoted:How often did your government steal an election in a coup, and surround the capital with barbed wire and thousands of armed troops, because they feared a revolt ? View Quote "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Did "the government," or a loose, or even uncoordinated cabal of Democrat/Left biased officials actually swing the election? I mean, I've seen the graph with the jump in it, everyone has. But does it really indicate anything? Did any of the other sub-scandals about the 2020 election, the ballot box cartons left here & there, the observers not allowed to be at XYZ, did any of it get anywhere substantive? If not, that was all suppression by the MSM, or more officials too? I certainly understand that none of it looked good, and election systems that have far more rigor and trust or actually zero-trust elements would be great. And I am also sympathetic that opposing any or all of that, or audits & investigations, is: "Exactly what the side benefitting from fraud would do and say..." However, none of that is the same as proving it actually did happen. When do claims of massive fraud and stolen elections become an endlesss game of "move the goalposts" just like UFO, Loch Ness Monster, and Bigfoot claims, and there's just never any good cut-n-dried unambiguous evidence? Because reasons... or "the conspiracy" suppressed it yet again? That Trump didn't get a 51% popular vote majority in 2016, and only pulled out an Electoral College Squeaker, against an incredibly flawed, cold, disingenuous, and unlikeable candidate with enormous political/scandal baggage... that didn't have anything to do with not winning a second term in 2020? Not even a little? But say for the sake of argument it's true, or, stands a high chance of being true. And the whole: "You are an election-denier, and are endangering our democracy!"-narrrative & talking-points, besides being a terribly ill-advised self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing to say... is indeed a big-ass Catch-22 trap, and makes forging ahead difficult. And yeah, the FBI, and DOJ, ad various state bureaucracies are biased against you, or overtly part of the scheme... Isn't then the wise approach to: STFU, & "Do your homework" and gather the evidence without broadcasting it to everyone, so the opponent or, outright enemy, is less likely to circle the wagons? Then, when you've got something that's difficult for the other side to dismiss, THEN come forward? I'm not saying it's going to be easy, not by a long shot, but if it's absolutely as dire as claimed, nobody is trying this approach? Nobody could gather up a truly credible "Cross the frozen Delaware"-moment to try and save the Republic? Not even anyone that suddenly became Public Enemy #1 in overwhelming dogpile coordinated MSM character assassination, that might indicate they were the one getting close? Or, is screaming and yelling about in the absolutely most ineffective manner possible what someone, or an entire movement does, when it's not really about "the issue" and its just a chest-beating exercise? |
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Quoted: You're fully indoctrinated with the talking points, I understand. You, sir, are a Doomer. I am not. Nothing you say or type here will bring me to your level of Doom paranoia, as I have recognized it as the control it is. I hope you have a wonderful, non-Doom day. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How often did your government steal an election in a coup, and surround the capital with barbed wire and thousands of armed troops, because they feared a revolt ? Or the president bragging about criminal activities, making unconstitutional laws, because there was no consequences. Or importing tens of millions of third worlders, in order to destroy stability, and gain more democrat seats in congress ? Or the attorney general of the USA, speaking about how voter laws are racist and should be ignored? Or government 35 trillion in debt, and adding another trillion every 3 months? Openly political criminal prosecutions, where rule of law is tossed out the window. Or 100 other even worse things. But sure, things today are no different than 40 years ago when you first heard someone say “ this generation sucks ! “. You're fully indoctrinated with the talking points, I understand. You, sir, are a Doomer. I am not. Nothing you say or type here will bring me to your level of Doom paranoia, as I have recognized it as the control it is. I hope you have a wonderful, non-Doom day. talking points. i hear people say things were worse in the 70s, or ww2, or here, or there. various parts of society has shown issues occasionally, but when did the government, president, congress, etc be the crazy ones spouting insane things and doing totally destructive things and hurting the country left and right? never, were in totally new territory. well, 1775 was the last time we were dealing with problems such as these, where the leaders were hostile towards the citizens, passing destructive laws, and didnt give a shit about how it effected us. honestly, if you really cant see how bad things are right now, how out of control they are, how the people at the top will fight tooth and nail to prevent anyone from stopping them, i really dont know what to say. because its obvious as fuck to me, and very obvious where this country will be in a few more very short years. its going to be ugly. well, its ugly now for tens of millions, and every day it gets ugly for more people. really hurts me to acknowledge that my country is such a dumpster fire, and really hurts me knowing i spent so many years defending it, only to have things turn to shit for my own grandkids. % wise, the next generation will definately have a worse standard of living than we had. |
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Quoted: talking points. i hear people say things were worse in the 70s, or ww2, or here, or there. various parts of society has shown issues occasionally, but when did the government, president, congress, etc be the crazy ones spouting insane things and doing totally destructive things and hurting the country left and right? never, were in totally new territory. well, 1775 was the last time we were dealing with problems such as these, where the leaders were hostile towards the citizens, passing destructive laws, and didnt give a shit about how it effected us. honestly, if you really cant see how bad things are right now, how out of control they are, how the people at the top will fight tooth and nail to prevent anyone from stopping them, i really dont know what to say. because its obvious as fuck to me, and very obvious where this country will be in a few more very short years. its going to be ugly. well, its ugly now for tens of millions, and every day it gets ugly for more people. really hurts me to acknowledge that my country is such a dumpster fire, and really hurts me knowing i spent so many years defending it, only to have things turn to shit for my own grandkids. % wise, the next generation will definately have a worse standard of living than we had. View Quote As I said, again, you're fully indoctrinated in the Doomer thought process. Whether you like my verbiage means nothing, it's the truth. |
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Gets to be very tiring personally. I think you should do your best to live below your means and put your faith in the lord instead of looking for the end to come.
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I've always enjoyed new challenges so the impending doom is almost something to look forward to.
It is pretty much impossible to know what exactly what type of doom will happen and when. So I take reasonable precautions and make reasonable preparations to try to lessen the impact of what ever comes but at the same time I don't obsess over it. I'm into my 60s now and plan to enjoy what ever good days I have left. If the hard times get here before I am gone I'll deal with it best that I can and keep on trucking. |
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Doom is an interesting concept. I remember being asked decades ago if I would see a nuclear detonation go off in an act of aggression in my life time. I answered yes then, to many who disbelieved it would ever happen. Today I think I am still right and I have according the average life report, just 20+ years left.
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