Very well said.

There is no collusion. That means that Mexico is funding the short amount of, "bollard fence," right?

It means bumpstock owners are not going to jail, and Hillary's immunity has been pulled, and she is going to jail now, right?

I'm going to guess you didn't read his indictment.

Let's wait until the guy with all -or at least most- of the facts says this.

I still find it odd that the true_conservatives in this thread (and the others) post the EXACT SAME thoughts, links, tweets, etc that my radical left, extreme liberal family members post. Is it because the political spectrum is a circle and not a line...extreme conservatism is the same as extreme liberalsism?

They probably work for a PR firm.

Today is a toughy. With that in mind, Lets consider these deep thoughts from Kermit the Frog.

Cite a post in this thread that is a "radical left" policy position.

Really weird that Trump hasn't said he was vindicated by the report yet. I'm sure it's coming shortly.

Nationalism is for Nazis.

@blinded

Re-read my post.

I have NO issues with people coming into this thread with a dissenting viewpoint/willing to have a debate and argue about a point.

What I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about are the people that pop into this thread ONLY to post one of these comments...

1. One or two line comment about all of the communists here and how the thread should be locked.

2. Posting a bunch of meme pictures in a row that basically shut out any actual dialogue/discussion.

3. Actively trolling with a 1-2 line comment or setting up some false straw man aka "So which democrat are you going to vote for in 2020??" and then running away when getting a long response back.

Example (and there is tons of these) of what I'm talking about here.

Someone posted a question in this thread, I answered it from my point of view, and then....nothing.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Here-there-be-never-trumps-part-4-/5-2203741/?page=3#i77900877

This happens daily here. I'm not saying it's the case above but a lot of times people simply post "gotcha!" type questions and then run away thinking no one will actually respond.

I WANT to have these types of discussions. It's a healthy way of conversing and presenting differing opinions. Often times you end up finding out you have more in common with each other than originally thought.

This ISN'T a safe space. People are welcome to pop into this thread anytime and post their opinions/questions but just do it an adult-like way. If it's just going to be childish trolling personal attacks or juvenile meme from TheDonald or /pol/, then yeah, what's the point?

Notice I didn't personally attack you once above? Yet you feel the need to slip the tired "communist" cliche when writing a single sentence.

When one aligns themselves with Schiffty Schiff, can they even remotely be considered 'conservative' ?

If you want genuine debate tell your_pals to stop dodging and deflecting questions they don't want to answer. Then tell them if they say something and get called out to back their shit up (like when someone posts a list then Hugh calls "bullshit" and refuses to explain himself). That's kinda where the original circle jerk thread turned from "debate" to simply calling out known trolls on their bullshit. True_Conservatives also wouldn't bash the R candidate 24/7 after the primary and before the general. Stop defending the trolls in this thread and associating with them if you don't like being lumped in with them. YOU chose to rub elbows with the underscores.

Well the #NEVRTRUMPERs also have stalwart conservatives Eric Swalwell & Bill Maher.

They are in good company.

Bit of vid at Tweet.

I don’t need the Mueller report to know Trump is a traitor. I have a TV. w/@RepSwalwell #SubpoenaMueller pic.twitter.com/gmaljGGBvn

Bill Maher  (@billmaher) March 23, 2019

In addition to playing golf on Saturday as he awaited Mueller’s findings, Trump had lunch in FL with **Kid Rock**

w/@maggieNYThttps://t.co/Trx9zPjNLu

Nicholas Fandos  (@npfandos) March 23, 2019

lol

We're going to get Vice President Bawitdaba on the 2020 ticket.

Member the good ole days of Muh Russia zeal?

True conservatives would have things like #Comey2020 in their sig line.

True conservatives would hope the democrats win the House in 2018.

True conservatives would say that it's "unfortunate" that the dems probably won't run an electable candidate in 2020.

True conservatives would follow leftists on twitter and post their tweets on ARF as part of their defense.

True conservatives would bash everyone deemed "alt right" by CNN.

True conservatives would bash nationalism.

True conservatives would insinuate someone is "racist" and "hates brown people" if they were opposed to the globalists purposefully flooding America with 3rd worlders.

True conservatives would say that using the word "globalist" is nothing but a dog whistle for hating Jews.

And the extreme left hated Obama for being too middle-of-the-road wishy washy. Of course the Venn Diagram of political opinions is going to have some overlap.

Here is the big difference between liberals and me.

Liberals want to destroy Trump and get him out of office to push their liberal agenda.

I criticize Trump hoping other Conservative Republicans can pull their head out of the sand, see the error in his ways, and actually start to become angry towards Trump for going off the Conservative message.

We need to be angry and hold Trump's feet to the fire, that's only way we're going to get some action out of him.

It's like every time Trump goes back on his word, his followers have nothing but excuses. It's like beaten wife syndrome where she always finds ways to make excuses for any criticism towards him and keeps going back. " I can't leave him. I know he loves me, I know he is going to change, there is outside factors making him this way, it's not his fault."

I noticed almost immediately when he first got into office. I started asking "When is this promised 2nd Amendment Coalition" going in?

All I got was constant dismissals and  "It's only ____ days. He is a busy guy. Don't worry about it!"

Then 2+ years later we have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Same deal with the wall. Why didn't he call this emergency action two years ago when we owned Congress?

That's just a few examples.

Right now it falls into this same pattern...

-Trump makes a threat about something he wants to do (which is often something I agree with)
-His fans get excited and start doing the MAGA dance.
-Trump goes back or folds on a promise/threat. Or he simply doesn't mention it again.
-His fans get angry for about a minute and then start rationalizing (aka "The Swamp/Deep State stopped him."). It's NEVER Trump's fault.
-Trump sends out an angry tweet about libs/media/another threat, etc...
-Trump fans get all excited again.

Rinse and repeat endlessly.

Now, if people actually started protesting Trump's constant ineptitude and stopped going to his rally's, stopped excusing his behavior, and just started keeping him accountable...then maybe, just maybe his internal polling would show he's losing support from his base and to figure out why/how. Maybe it will get it through his head we want actual ACTION, not some empty twitter threat.

Trump LOVES to be liked. He LOVES the positive attention. That's why so many of his speeches sound like he's still campaigning. He doesn't know how to be a President, he knows how to be a salesman. Salesman know all of the customer "hot buttons" they can push to schmooze the customers over to their product.
If he notices his base dwindling/becoming angry, it might actually put a spur in his ass to do something about it (something more than twitter rants).

Remember, this guy was going to change DC. He's been rubbing shoulders with the NYC/DC elite since the 80s. The guy is not an outsider in any sense of the word. He KNOWS how the swamp system works yet he still promised to be the "deal maker" and was going to prove everyone wrong.

But now Trump knows so many of his supporters are simply "Orange man always good" and never hold him accountable. He can basically coast for the next two years doing absolutely nothing but endless campaigning. Maybe make a few speeches about locking up Hillary/The Wall, hug the flag, and the crowds will be eating out of his hands again.

My goal? I would like to see the Republican party saved by someone like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, or Rand Paul. Get an actual Conservative in there to primary this populous windbag out of there. We can't keep this same trajectory or the Republican party will be no longer in a few years.

Right now I think the Republican party is in deep trouble. Trump has constantly kicked the Liberal hornet's nest since day one and that low energy Democratic party of 2-3 years ago has transformed into something completely different. I'm very worried that Trump has set back the whole conservative movement/republican party for many years to come by being a constant troll and emboldening the left.

Still waiting for a link to a post from a NeverTrumper supporting an "ultra left" policy position.

I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

There you're people.

Now that Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to the Attorney General, it is imperative for Mr. Barr to make the full report public and provide its underlying documentation and findings to Congress. #ReleaseTheReport pic.twitter.com/v1ROpZBqZJ

Nancy Pelosi  (@SpeakerPelosi) March 22, 2019

These are flood risk maps for THIS YEAR. The time to have *already begun implementing* a #GreenNewDeal was a year ago.

The next best time is now.

It’s far less costly to get shovels in the ground now, before disaster, w just transitions, infra investment, & good,dignified jobs. https://t.co/cG6gnBnLF2

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez  (@AOC) March 22, 2019

So, a true conservative is supposed to lick trump's nuts and say "they are not that salty, come lick them too"?

Well...…….. maybe if you are one of the ponies.

Then be my guest and go nuts.

These threads are FAR from policy discussions. The observation is that your hate for Trump is perfectly positively correlated with those that are 100% for open borders, gun confiscation, reparations, tax payer funded live birth ‘abortions’, etc. So if standing side by side at a NeverTrump rally, it would be impossible to distinguish between the progressive communist and true_conservative.

Maybe you are transferring some repressed feelings into politics or somethin.

Not that there is anything wrong with those "feelings".

I don't think the guy you quoted wanted you to lick anyones genitals. That is all you.

Yep, more projection. Just like Muh_Russia.

Edited 1387Delta  CoC 6

Try ‘they are’ or ‘they’re’ next time

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The "correlation" is that both sides don't like Trump.  There's literally zero overlap in actual policy preferences.

This shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp, and yet here we are.

"Liberal's don't like Trump.  NeverTrumpers don't like [checks notes] Trump.  Ergo Liberals are NeverTrumpers" is some seriously childlike "logic".

ETA:  In before "Huuuuuuuuurrrrrr but it's true!" lol

Supporting the president seems about right..

You support the leftist coup right?

And crickets..............

Sure, think whatever you want, this is a free country, right?

ETA, speaking of supporting presidents, I wonder if you supported obama then?

How dare ye question thy Kings liberal actions.

And referring to those same true conservatives as leftists or liberals is “a poor argument”.

When you're winning by 10 touchdowns,  you're kind of past the point of spiking the ball in the end zone.

But considering Trump knows as much as we do how a single tweet can ruin your_entire_week,  I imagine you'll get your wish soon.

Whew. Your concern is noted.

@tango1978

So a safe space?

Can you please link to the thread where the owner asked us not to make negative comments about Trump?

Also, read my post above (about 10 posts up)...the long one.

You'll notice I'm fighting FROM a conservative position. Most of my biggest gripes towards Trump are over CONSERVATIVE issues.

Maybe Trump would have actually created his promised "2nd Amendment Coalition" if pro-gun Conservatives actually held him accountable instead of actively trying to stifle any discontent.

This forum will INSTANTLY turn on any long-standing conservative youtube commentators/gun manufacturers for ONE error. I see it here on GD weekly. One mistake and you guys have them thrown under the bus and instantly boycotting all products.

Yet with Trump, he's constantly go back on his 2nd Amendment Coalition promise, gets friendly with Feinstein, help ban bumpstocks, openly talk about "taking the guns first, due process later," etc...etc..

So why aren't we seeing the same instant GD Conservative pushback towards Trump as we do with so many other figures in the gun world? Many of these companies/figures have been actively fighting for pro-2A for decades.

I bet you dollars to donuts that Hickock45 has done more positive as an ambassador for the gun community than Trump will ever hope to do.

It's like you guys are willing to eat your own at a moment's notice but would never dare turn your back on Trump, regardless of his anti-gun bs.

It's downright scary...that's why you see the word "cultish" tossed around so much.

That’s a lot of eloquent BS you posted, let me help you out with what you either don’t understand or refuse to accept.

The difference between you and a liberal is they know enough to rally behind their guy even when they disagree with that person.

They know and understand that by doing that, they solidify their grasp on elections and holding onto political power which keeps the incrementalism of socialist ideals creeping ever closer to their ideal politics.

No memes, no personal attacks just cold hard truth. Folks with a similiar mindset have been and will always be the death of conservatism. Politics is a team sport, not every play is going to be a game winner.

Not really. But then he nationalized medicine. He killed a couple thousand Mexicans to frame gun owners. Gave his friends a trillion dollars through TARP and stimulus, took bribes from HSBC after they got caught laundering drug and terrorist money, Sold uranium to Russians, Flew plane loads of cash to Iran, Covered up Muslim terrorists involvement in the drug trade, Armed ISIS, Attempted a coup against the current president etc.

I mean that isn't a complete list.

When you don't get the joke.

You will have written a novel by the end of this. All those words, typed out in a fury and full of anguish. And through it all...

Donald Trump is still your President.

Why am I going to vote for someone I disagree with on major policy issues?

If "Step 1" of your plan is "Abandon all of your principals", then I'm not really interested in hearing the rest of your plan.

"No, no no - you've got to vote for this guy who says he's going to do liberal shit in order to stop that other candidate that's going to do slightly different liberal shit."

Not interested.
.

Best not to lecture others about principals after years of leftist coup advocacy.

If part of your principles is to support a coup of the duly elected President, then I'm not so sure you can claim that you are conservative.

That's adorable that you still pretend your constant negativity ends at Trump as if anyone still buys your schtick. If CNN made a list titled "alt right figures we hate" I could probably find a post for each one in which you trashed them.

Correct me if I'm wrong...just off the top of my head...

Tucker
Hannity
Milo
Ben Shapiro
Dan Bongino
James Woods
Sarah Sanders

You even bash Ben Garrison the cartoonist.

Then you turn around and dismiss things like Uranium1 as "right wing tin foil conspiracy" while pumping "muh Russia" daily.

Speaking of "muh Russia"...you still haven't shown us what info you saw before Nov 2016 that convinced you Trump was a Russian stooge and sent you on your life mission to destroy the R candidate prior to the general.

If you are a true conservative, I'm a unicorn.

*yawn*

Nice strawman.

your mistake is thinking that GD eating people is the behavior to encourage, rather than the treatment they give Trump that is actually appropriate

Mark Larue should still be in GD.