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Quoted: I don't hate any American companies. I'm disappointed that some companies refuse to innovate and compete. That's all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Open Questions:
- can it pass a drop test (assume yes) - battery life - does the auto adjust brightness not suck |
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Quoted: Open Questions: - can it pass a drop test (assume yes) - battery life - does the auto adjust brightness not suck View Quote Unless it is significantly more fragile than the other HS sights, I would be fairly confident. I cannot imagine the battery life would be substantially less than the other current sights, which is generally quoted as 50K hours with the dot only, set at the middle of the brightness range. I have no issue with the auto brightness on my 508T; that said, if it bothers you, it can be disabled without tools. I am pretty sure the same control sequence would be used on these new sights. |
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I currently have a 407K on my P365XL. I may end up grabbing this for it.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the price p oint on the cheaper, non-solar AEMS Core sight from Holosun's SHOT releases. They also have some illuminators / PID weapon mounted lasers
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In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly?
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Quoted: In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly? View Quote Post up a link or photo of a Trijicon MRDS with enclosed emitter. |
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A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights.
If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. SHOT 2020 - Holosun ULTRA SLIM Battery-Less Pistol Sight (BLPS) |
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Quoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHA View Quote Yes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. |
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Quoted: These new models use the same footprint/fastener spacing as the existing 407K & 507K optics for compact and/or narrow slide pistols, but have the enclosed emitter like the 509T. Think of these as a 509T without the proprietary dovetail/clamp mount, and with a narrowed chassis on the Carry version (on the left), but retaining all of the other features, including 6 MOA selectable circle/dot reticle, the PV panel for Solar Failsafe, Shake-Awake, and the side-load battery tray, as well as IPX8 waterproof rating. I have not yet been able to find anything anywhere on price range. Probably will be announced at shot, along with the details on the SCS (Self-Charging Sight). https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-1080x731.jpg https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-2-1080x731.jpg https://fragoutmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/holosun-eps-3.jpg @BradN This puts another wrinkle into what we were discussing WRT milling a 1911-A1 slide for 509T! @45-Seventy @fox2008 @J-Pat @Notcalifornialegal @YoteSlayer69 @Real_PhillBert @Rudukai13 @RustedAce @macman37 View Quote Interesting @kozaki I'm sure we can work with this. |
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Quoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing View Quote Interestingly in 94 or 95 when i was poor, i put a BSA RD42 on a Colt AR and ran it at work for about 5 years then gave it to a friend who still runs in on a Lage upper m11 open bolt in full auto matches. Sometimes you don’t get what you pay for. Sometimes you get much more. |
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So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television?
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Quoted: Yes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHA Yes, that is what is currently being referred to as the SCS, mentioned a couple of times in this thread. @Dumak @kozaki And they’re now putting that into production too: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NEW-Holosun-SCS-ultra-low-profile-pistol-RDS/5-2522438/ |
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Quoted: In the grand scheme of things, what major innovation is NEEDED in the world of RDS, be it pistol or rifle mounted? It's a dot used for aiming. That's about it. Other than the battery location on an RMR what else does Trijicon need to "innovate" exactly? View Quote The battery location would be a pretty damn good start |
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Quoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? View Quote [GD] "It's not that big grandpa boomer lmao I carry it AIWB all day on my Glock19 with a 24 round mag and I don't even print at all!" Attached File |
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Quoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? That's a good rundown, yes. Quoted: @Dumak @kozaki And they’re now putting that into production too: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/NEW-Holosun-SCS-ultra-low-profile-pistol-RDS/5-2522438/ Ahh yes, thank-you for the link! |
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Quoted: [GD] "It's not that big grandpa boomer lmao I carry it AIWB all day on my Glock19 with a 24 round mag and I don't even print at all!" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/glock-19-x_jpg-2241625.JPG View Quote Shut up and take my money |
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Quoted: I’ve always heard that the dolor panels on other HS are pretty much useless. Since this has a non replaceable internal battery I guess they might have fixed it View Quote You're confusing new model releases-this has a replaceable battery. The sight will run just fine in daylight without it. Frankly, with the shake awake power on mode, I don't know that most people need the solar panel because the sight is only on when the gun is moving. You can literally leave this sight to it's brightest setting and leave it in your safe for 10 years and not kill it. |
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Quoted: Might have to sell my 507k, I love the idea of closed emitters. I'm always getting junk in my open emitters and its hard to clean. View Quote I had one of my SRO's freeze up and get bricked on a 25 minute walk on a braced pistol carried off body. It was right at freezing, foggy with mild sleet. Use my weapon light to check my cabin doors out when we got back from the walk and saw nothing but a sheet of white. A T-shirt on a finger didn't clear it, and made it worse. Would likely have not been an issue on a CCW gun, but I'm completely over open emitter RDS's now. |
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Quoted: Interestingly in 94 or 95 when i was poor, i put a BSA RD42 on a Colt AR and ran it at work for about 5 years then gave it to a friend who still runs in on a Lage upper m11 open bolt in full auto matches. Sometimes you don’t get what you pay for. Sometimes you get much more. View Quote I'm glad you mentioned the Lage Upper on an M11/9...... I had a Trijicon RX30 on mine, and it ate it. The front lens locking ring unscrewed and the lens took such a beating that it started to chip around the edges. I sent it in, and Trijicon didn't repair it, they sent it back reassembled with the same chipped objective lens in it. I ended up giving it away to a friend that needed a sight for 2-Gun and it served him well until he upgraded to the 4.5MOA RX34. Red Dot sights aren't rocked science, it is entirely possible for cheaper ones to be more durable than fashionable ones. In this case, it outlived my $500 "Get you thru to the end of the Apocalypse and doesn't need batteries" sight. |
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Quoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. View Quote I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. |
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Quoted: So if I understand this correctly, this is basically an aimpoint acro, but not the size of a television? View Quote The eps and eps carry looks like a win to me. After using RMR in the rainy weather of the puget sound I found the open emitter RMR style red dots are vulnerable to rain and mud. Rain and mud can get between the emitter and the lens. It was really lame when I had to shim up the battery with electrical tape to keep my RMRs working. I've been using the enclosed emitter hs509t on my g17 & g19 for about a year now. Both have been reliable. As long as I can see through both lenses I can find the red dot in rain or mud. Hs509t is quality Chinesium. I really hope the quality control on the EPS is the same or better. |
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Quoted: I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. I don't doubt they fail. But everything fails. Saying something fails is a non-sequitur. It is how often failure occurs and to what degree failure is acceptable. Thank you. Anything and everything made by man (yes, even Glockfection made by His Holiness St. Gaston of Glock Hisownself) can and will fail. What we all like to think we’re buying is a longer MTBF. |
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Quoted: A couple years ago Chinasun had a low profile RDS that they were showing as proof of concept. It sat way low, with the base barely rising above the slide cutout. It allowed co-witness without supressor height sights. If I recall correctly, it had no battery and was solar powered only. Then I heard it had capacitors and would run for a day off a solar charge. Found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_1Yk_3DHA View Quote That profile would be a wise move for Trijicon to rip off. Turnabout is fair play, right? |
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Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them.
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Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts.
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Time will tell but I’m liking what I’m seeing so far. Hope a lgs gets one in stock so I can look at one in person.
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6MOA dot? I hope they offer it with a smaller dot. I really prefer the 2 MOA dots they've been doing on other models.
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Quoted: Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Holosun failure rates are also a thing Show Me. I've had to send several of my Trijicons back for repairs. I have bought all of their products I liked, they aren't infallible. I’ve had 1 Holosun red dot (403R maybe?) fail and 2 RMRs fail on me. No issues out of my 3 507c’s and 507k so far. I also have 3 RMRs that are chugging along as well. |
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Quoted: Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts. View Quote These are targeting their 407/507k market, they already have the 509T for that market…though they need to get it adapted to the RMR footprint and not proprietary, they had to go with that for some reason I am sure as they have been pretty practical in their market approach. |
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Quoted: An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What do you want Trijicon to do exactly? They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. An enclosed one with a solar panel and shake awake would be a great place to start that conversation... I don't need either of those. Something that fits the RMSc cut on a Glock without milling or a plate that raises it above the slide would be a bonus. I'd buy one right now. |
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Quoted: Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Just got a 507K for my 365X and am definitely interested in going to closed emitters. Will definitely wait a while to see how the non replaceable battery shakes out. The 507 series as a whole is tested enough for me to trust them. Both of these sights have side-load batter trays. The new sight with non-replaceable battery is the SCS. Quoted: I don't need either of those. Something that fits the RMSc cut on a Glock without milling or a plate that raises it above the slide would be a bonus. I'd buy one right now. Check out This Thread on the SCS, fits Glock MOS slides without any other adapter plate or parts. |
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Quoted: What do you want Trijicon to do exactly? They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not bad! Where the hell is Trijicon? I don't understand how they can be this deep in hibernation. They offer a very high quality reflex sight in many variations, including a compact version. I don’t want to have to remove the sight to replace the battery. I want a closed emitter so my disgusting bellybutton lint doesn’t block the LED. I prefer the 3-4 different reticle options offered by holosun, but I would forgive that for the first two requests being met. |
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Quoted: Very odd that they aren’t offering one with a standard RMR footprint. The number of pistols with RMR cuts dwarfs the number with RMRsc cuts. View Quote The issue with an enclosed emitter on the common RMR footprint is the location of the fastener (screw) holes. The RMR layout has the screw holes much closer to the center of the sight, fore/aft. Thats why the 509T is designed with a dovetail/clamp attachment, ditto for the Acro, for that matter. The Shield RMSc/407K/507K layout has the fasteners much farther towards the rear, which leaves enough room for the enclosed housing. |
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