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Quoted: there would have been ZERO fight. No one was fighting this. Not Ted Cruz. No one. And what would have come out would have been worse in all likelihood. Y'all live in a fantasy land. View Quote What in the actual fuck. |
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So, what happens next time, when someone live streams 50 to 100 people killed in a school? Or causes similar casualty numbers with aimed semi auto fire? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: there would have been ZERO fight. No one was fighting this. Not Ted Cruz. No one. And what would have come out would have been worse in all likelihood. Y'all live in a fantasy land. |
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So, what happens next time, when someone live streams 50 to 100 people killed in a school? Or causes similar casualty numbers with aimed semi auto fire? View Quote Same thing what happened after Sandy Hook and what happened in Miami (where there was video). San Bernadino. It was the replication of full auto that made it unique. I am frankly shocked no one can see the difference. Which is why the doomsdayers are hard to take seriously. If you can't see that, you are missing a lot more. |
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Quoted: We live in a fantasy land? Yet you are acting like you have a crystal ball and can tell us with absolute certainty what would have happened in the future? What in the actual fuck. View Quote How quickly y'all forget. Shit like this is why GOA is a joke. And while the Pratt Vacation fund makes us feel good, it doesn't actually do anything. |
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Quoted: What? View Quote Bumpstocks were getting banned. The only question was how. Look at this retarded thread. What do you want to bet trump doesn't ban pistol braces? fucking morons can't even link the Vegas shootings to bumpstocks. They think it was just some random fuckery because trump is a russian spy and the NRA want to ban all guns for more fundraising. |
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Quoted: It is as clear as I can make it. Bumpstocks were getting banned. The only question was how. Look at this retarded thread. What do you want to bet trump doesn't ban pistol braces? fucking morons can't even link the Vegas shootings to bumpstocks. They think it was just some random fuckery because trump is a russian spy and the NRA want to ban all guns for more fundraising. View Quote Is gun control a winning or losing issue for democrats? |
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Quoted: You are rambling. Let's try to take this one question at a time. Is gun control a winning or losing issue for democrats? View Quote But your question is irrelevant to the discussion. The relevant question is, "Is banning machine guns a winning or losing position for democrats and republicans 1 week after what 99% of america thinks was a machine gun just shot 200 people" Again. You can't fathom the unique nature of the Vegas shootings. So why listen. See also: GOA. |
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Each attack that happens, the weapon will include at least one thing they are trying to ban.
I wonder if the Vegas asshole actually used a LL or SL, (or some other illegal way to go FA) but they (the .gov) didn't want people knowing, so they just said it was bump stocks. |
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Each attack that happens, the weapon will include at least one thing they are trying to ban. I wonder if the Vegas asshole actually used a LL or SL, (or some other illegal way to go FA) but they (the .gov) didn't want people knowing, so they just said it was bump stocks. View Quote |
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It is as clear as I can make it. Bumpstocks were getting banned. The only question was how. Look at this retarded thread. What do you want to bet trump doesn't ban pistol braces? fucking morons can't even link the Vegas shootings to bumpstocks. They think it was just some random fuckery because trump is a russian spy and the NRA want to ban all guns for more fundraising. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: What? Bumpstocks were getting banned. The only question was how. Look at this retarded thread. What do you want to bet trump doesn't ban pistol braces? fucking morons can't even link the Vegas shootings to bumpstocks. They think it was just some random fuckery because trump is a russian spy and the NRA want to ban all guns for more fundraising. |
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Quoted: Donald Trump didn't have the same certainty as you did that Congress was going to ban bumpstocks, hence his willingness to go outside Constitutional methods to do it by executive fiat-after calling out Obama's ruling with a pen and a phone during his campaign. View Quote So predictable. |
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wrong. He had absolute certainty Congress was going to shove some legislation down his throat. So did the NRA. Which is why he went the admin ruling route. Which pissed the dems off huge because they thought they were going to get republicans to sign gun control along with trump so the fucktards would scream "from my cold dead hands" and not vote. So predictable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Donald Trump didn't have the same certainty as you did that Congress was going to ban bumpstocks, hence his willingness to go outside Constitutional methods to do it by executive fiat-after calling out Obama's ruling with a pen and a phone during his campaign. So predictable. |
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says the guy who wants Hillary to be president. lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Trump will ban more shit and his grovelers will continue to carry water for him. lol We do have a male version of Hillary in office |
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That’s news to me. Do you always make shit up? IIRC you were the guy who accused me of not being a member of this site. . Mixing too many meds? We do have a male version of Hillary in office View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Trump will ban more shit and his grovelers will continue to carry water for him. lol We do have a male version of Hillary in office I cast a vote for Donald Trump in 2016 and am happy with most of his policies and decisions. I just wish he'd stay off Twitter sometimes and that he wouldn't rule with a pen and a phone, especially since that's one of the things for which he criticized the former occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. |
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Each attack that happens, the weapon will include at least one thing they are trying to ban. I wonder if the Vegas asshole actually used a LL or SL, (or some other illegal way to go FA) but they (the .gov) didn't want people knowing, so they just said it was bump stocks. View Quote A couple of photos with some rifles laying around that looked like a bumpstock on one of them and the video of the rapid fire with a metric fuck load of media speculation. There was no examination done on the weapons to see if bumpfire was used, a LL, DIAS, trigger crank, or proper drill the 3rd hole illegal machine gun. Everyone says he used a bumpstock. They’ve said it since less than 48 hours after the shooting. Where’s the proof? The national news media told us Trump colluded with Russia for 2+ years straight. How true is that? Why would we believe them about the Vegas shooting? @Sylvan |
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Las Vegas Shooting: Cellphone videos captures panic as shots ring out at Vegas music festival I'm willing to entertain different theories. |
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He recognizes he doesn't know shit about guns. The NRA should know something about guns, after all they are the NRA. So he looks to them for guidance - just what an executive at any company would do. He got bad advice. it really is that simple. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Please... Mr 87 Dimensional Chess, who sits in the most powerful chair in the world, was strong armed by Wayne LaPeepee at the NRA? I've read that same angle on GD three times today. Sounds like a damage control talking point. it really is that simple. |
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there would have been ZERO fight. No one was fighting this. Not Ted Cruz. No one. And what would have come out would have been worse in all likelihood. Y'all live in a fantasy land. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even if we had lost bump stocks, IMO it would have been better to lose them after a fight in Congress w/ a law passed than the abomination that we got w/ the ATF. At least there we'd have people who voted for it or against it that we could hold to account for their votes. Instead we got a crappy decision that's going to bite us on the ass for years. Y'all live in a fantasy land. Nor does he need to advocate them. |
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The President does not have to sign such orders or laws. Nor does he need to advocate them. View Quote but when 200 people get shot on livestream, he will. this is the reality. Now show me your presidential choice and their position on bump stocks. You were convinced he was going to appoint his sister to SCOTUS during the campaign. |
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Quoted: Of course not. but when 200 people get shot on livestream, he will. this is the reality. Now show me your presidential choice and their position on bump stocks. You were convinced he was going to appoint his sister to SCOTUS during the campaign. View Quote |
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So both Trump and the NRA deserve blame and criticism... but I know that is hard for some to understand..... View Quote Swore an oath before God to protect and preserve The Constitution. Trump broke that oath. He broke the law with his criminalization of gun parts with his illegal, "bumpstock ban." May Godspeed to those fighting Trump and his illegal ban... Good luck. Fight hard. It was Trumps hand swearing an oath on the Bible... |
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Trump put his hand on the Bible. Swore an oath before God to protect and preserve The Constitution. Trump broke that oath. He broke the law with his criminalization of gun parts with his illegal, "bumpstock ban." May Godspeed to those fighting Trump and his illegal ban... Good luck. Fight hard. It was Trumps hand swearing an oath on the Bible... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So both Trump and the NRA deserve blame and criticism... but I know that is hard for some to understand..... Swore an oath before God to protect and preserve The Constitution. Trump broke that oath. He broke the law with his criminalization of gun parts with his illegal, "bumpstock ban." May Godspeed to those fighting Trump and his illegal ban... Good luck. Fight hard. It was Trumps hand swearing an oath on the Bible... At least I'm honest enough to blame ALL parties for this..... Fucki all the traitorous cocksucking pieces of shit involved Fuck the NRA for wanting additional restrictions on bumpstocks Fuck Trump for ordering the ATF to ban bumpstocks Fuck the ATF for changing federal law (bypassing Congress) in changing the definition of machine gun Fuck Barr for signing the ATF's change Fuck the courts for upholding it Fuck the Supreme Court for refusing to hear an appeal And Fuck anyone that supports the ban You can't even manage to grasp your brain around the fact that it took many to make this happen........and you only want to hold ONE to account.....where I want to hold ALL to account. |
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Quoted: Actually they didn't. No police agency ever examined the guns. Nolo has the proof via FOIA paperwork from the .gov themselves. It's actually part of the lawsuits. A couple of photos with some rifles laying around that looked like a bumpstock on one of them and the video of the rapid fire with a metric fuck load of media speculation. There was no examination done on the weapons to see if bumpfire was used, a LL, DIAS, trigger crank, or proper drill the 3rd hole illegal machine gun. Everyone says he used a bumpstock. They've said it since less than 48 hours after the shooting. Where's the proof? The national news media told us Trump colluded with Russia for 2+ years straight. How true is that? Why would we believe them about the Vegas shooting? @Sylvan View Quote |
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@Tankdawg0057 - while ATF did not conduct the inspection, every weapon is listed in the LVPD report and every 5.56 weapon had a bumpstock attached. I've looked at quite a few pictures and not seen evidence of a third hole - not to mention the listed 5.56 weapons would require milling for that conversion. While it's possible other conversions were used, I find it unlikely. Most other conversions would require swapping FCG's. More importantly, the audio doesn't match up with true full auto conversions, instead it sounds like bumpstocks with inconsistent forward pressure making the rate vary. View Quote It wasn't quite right for full auto. Certainly not M4 M16 full auto which I am familiar with. |
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Of course not. but when 200 people get shot on livestream, he will. this is the reality. Now show me your presidential choice and their position on bump stocks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The President does not have to sign such orders or laws. Nor does he need to advocate them. but when 200 people get shot on livestream, he will. this is the reality. Now show me your presidential choice and their position on bump stocks. You were convinced he was going to appoint his sister to SCOTUS during the campaign. The only reason he had a “list” was to counter the polls that showed a vast majority or Republicans preferred Cruz to appoint Scalia’s replacement. He had no other guiding principle that would result in a conservative nomination. |
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Trump is my choice in 2020. He still might. The only reason he had a “list” was to counter the polls that showed a vast majority or Republicans preferred Cruz to appoint Scalia’s replacement. He had no other guiding principle that would result in a conservative nomination. View Quote LOL |
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So, what happens next time, when someone live streams 50 to 100 people killed in a school? Or causes similar casualty numbers with aimed semi auto fire? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: there would have been ZERO fight. No one was fighting this. Not Ted Cruz. No one. And what would have come out would have been worse in all likelihood. Y'all live in a fantasy land. Crickets in Congress. |
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Quoted: I'm pretty much there. I'm a life member and I've already paid them the money. Cancelling my membership now would be "net gain" for NRA. Fuck that noise, I'll keep voting and making them send me their crappy magazine until I croak. View Quote |
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No doubt Hilary would have been a much better champion of the 2nd Amendment. Right? I mean just look at her record over the years. And it was her turn. This whole thing is so unfair. I'll take Trump all day every day and never tire of the winning. View Quote |
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Trump is my choice in 2020. He still might. The only reason he had a “list” was to counter the polls that showed a vast majority or Republicans preferred Cruz to appoint Scalia’s replacement. He had no other guiding principle that would result in a conservative nomination. LOL Facts. Like many, I will again vote for Trump. But in the meantime, he continues to support gun control. And as predicted, you and his other sycophants see it as pragmatic to NOT dare complain. ALL was predicted. Specifically. |
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Probably soon.
Chances are DiFi's ban with pistol braces in them will make it through and he'll sign it into law after the Grahams in the Senate pontificate how "every right has its' limits" and support it. |
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No doubt Hilary would have been a much better champion of the 2nd Amendment. Right? I mean just look at her record over the years. And it was her turn. This whole thing is so unfair. I'll take Trump all day every day and never tire of the winning. View Quote If it weren't for two SCOTUS appointments I'd want my fucking money back. However, given that the court didn't agree to hear the bumpstock injunction, makes me wonder if it'll do us any good at all to maintain a 5-4 court by the time the candle on the 2a runs out of wax. |
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Wow....what....a....shock....YOU make an entrance....and REFUSE hold ALL those responsible to account for their actions..... At least I'm honest enough to blame ALL parties for this..... Fucki all the traitorous cocksucking pieces of shit involved Fuck the NRA for wanting additional restrictions on bumpstocks Fuck Trump for ordering the ATF to ban bumpstocks Fuck the ATF for changing federal law (bypassing Congress) in changing the definition of machine gun Fuck Barr for signing the ATF's change Fuck the courts for upholding it Fuck the Supreme Court for refusing to hear an appeal And Fuck anyone that supports the ban You can't even manage to grasp your brain around the fact that it took many to make this happen........and you only want to hold ONE to account.....where I want to hold ALL to account. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So both Trump and the NRA deserve blame and criticism... but I know that is hard for some to understand..... Swore an oath before God to protect and preserve The Constitution. Trump broke that oath. He broke the law with his criminalization of gun parts with his illegal, "bumpstock ban." May Godspeed to those fighting Trump and his illegal ban... Good luck. Fight hard. It was Trumps hand swearing an oath on the Bible... At least I'm honest enough to blame ALL parties for this..... Fucki all the traitorous cocksucking pieces of shit involved Fuck the NRA for wanting additional restrictions on bumpstocks Fuck Trump for ordering the ATF to ban bumpstocks Fuck the ATF for changing federal law (bypassing Congress) in changing the definition of machine gun Fuck Barr for signing the ATF's change Fuck the courts for upholding it Fuck the Supreme Court for refusing to hear an appeal And Fuck anyone that supports the ban You can't even manage to grasp your brain around the fact that it took many to make this happen........and you only want to hold ONE to account.....where I want to hold ALL to account. |
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@Tankdawg0057 - while ATF did not conduct the inspection, every weapon is listed in the LVPD report and every 5.56 weapon had a bumpstock attached. I've looked at quite a few pictures and not seen evidence of a third hole - not to mention the listed 5.56 weapons would require milling for that conversion. While it's possible other conversions were used, I find it unlikely. Most other conversions would require swapping FCG's. More importantly, the audio doesn't match up with true full auto conversions, instead it sounds like bumpstocks with inconsistent forward pressure making the rate vary. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Actually they didn't. No police agency ever examined the guns. Nolo has the proof via FOIA paperwork from the .gov themselves. It's actually part of the lawsuits. A couple of photos with some rifles laying around that looked like a bumpstock on one of them and the video of the rapid fire with a metric fuck load of media speculation. There was no examination done on the weapons to see if bumpfire was used, a LL, DIAS, trigger crank, or proper drill the 3rd hole illegal machine gun. Everyone says he used a bumpstock. They've said it since less than 48 hours after the shooting. Where's the proof? The national news media told us Trump colluded with Russia for 2+ years straight. How true is that? Why would we believe them about the Vegas shooting? @Sylvan |
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Here are some pictures from the scene. https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/10/03/931/524/694940094001_5597002361001_5596953752001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 ETA: Can't see much purpose in having a bumpstock if you've got a third hole as an option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Actually they didn't. No police agency ever examined the guns. Nolo has the proof via FOIA paperwork from the .gov themselves. It's actually part of the lawsuits. A couple of photos with some rifles laying around that looked like a bumpstock on one of them and the video of the rapid fire with a metric fuck load of media speculation. There was no examination done on the weapons to see if bumpfire was used, a LL, DIAS, trigger crank, or proper drill the 3rd hole illegal machine gun. Everyone says he used a bumpstock. They've said it since less than 48 hours after the shooting. Where's the proof? The national news media told us Trump colluded with Russia for 2+ years straight. How true is that? Why would we believe them about the Vegas shooting? @Sylvan https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/10/03/931/524/694940094001_5597002361001_5596953752001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 ETA: Can't see much purpose in having a bumpstock if you've got a third hole as an option. |
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It will be different when the target is in the US. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That just happened in NZ. Crickets in Congress. Suzy Soccer Mom has come to grips with semi auto fire. If someone with your bump skills ever went Las Vegas the butchers bill would be high 3 digits KIA. If someone with your semi auto skills ever went Las Vegas the butchers bill would be pretty much the same. The difference to Suzy Soccer Mom is the sound. There is simply no Republican in the House or Senate who will defend bumpstocks and it's going to lose at every level in the courts. Your skillful work in developing bump skills and tech to a point where it's not a joke is duly noted. If we want SCOTUS to strike down State level AWBs then Faux Full Auto is a bad way to get there. |
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Yup same pictures I’ve seen. That first one is a factory Daniel Defense collapsible stock. Not a bumpstock. Second one is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Idk man. At least with a dem prez Republican congressmen and women would be fighting against more gun laws. Trying to make it look like they care about their constituents opinions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No doubt Hilary would have been a much better champion of the 2nd Amendment. Right? I mean just look at her record over the years. And it was her turn. This whole thing is so unfair. I'll take Trump all day every day and never tire of the winning. But instead. Because it’s R’s fucking us over, bout half the folks here are good with it. Long as it doesn’t affect them right? Lol just wait. I would laugh when they come for their guns but it won’t be funny. Not at all. |
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It’s all living in borrowed time.
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There were other photos I remember with more bumpstock equipped 556 rifles and stacks of surefire mags. I'll see if I can find them tomorrow. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If they ban pistol braces I will install both extra buffer tubes and stocks that I have in my parts bin. If I'm going to be a felon then fuck it.
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