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I don't know where you've been for that last 10 years but we were lucky to get Trump. Yes, the bump stock move was a bad one on a number of levels. But no one else would have won that election... No one. If not for Trump being in the White House now instead of Hillary we'd probably already be registering or turning in something more significant than a "toy." If any one of the current crowd of Democrats wins the White House and gets a sympathetic Congress you will lose significant firearms rights. It's coming faster than you think. Braces will be the least of your concerns. Prepare accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: May your chains set lightly. Hopefully you won't get red flagged. Then they'll set a bit heavy. That is if you even own a gun at all. If any one of the current crowd of Democrats wins the White House and gets a sympathetic Congress you will lose significant firearms rights. It's coming faster than you think. Braces will be the least of your concerns. Prepare accordingly. Where have you been the last 10 years? |
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Well? View Quote Eventually they are gonna make so many BS laws that everyone is gonna ignore them and local sheriffs won't enforce them. |
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Quoted: Please... Mr 87 Dimensional Chess, who sits in the most powerful chair in the world, was strong armed by Wayne LaPeepee at the NRA? I've read that same angle on GD three times today. Sounds like a damage control talking point. View Quote it really is that simple. |
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Quoted: He recognizes he doesn't know shit about guns. The NRA should know something about guns, after all they are the NRA. So he looks to them for guidance - just what an executive at any company would do. He got bad advice. it really is that simple. View Quote |
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Who gives a shit it will get ignored just like the bump stock ban. Eventually they are gonna make so many BS laws that everyone is gonna ignore them and local sheriffs won't enforce them. View Quote A County Sheriff in Colorado can ignore the state magazine ban, because there are no real teeth to the ban. A magazine ban (or Trumps gun parts ban) at the *Federal* level, things change for everyone. A nice sheriff ignores it? Gets away with it for years. A guy posts on the internet, "Sheriff ___ is a solid conservative, and here are pictures of him at our shoot." He gets a phone call from a Fed. He is done being a nice sheriff, looking at Fed buttsecks time. Incrementalism is an effective tool of socialism. "Take the guns first" Trump and Democrats will get a great deal of mileage out of criminalizing one aspect of gun ownership at a time. Some will ignore it. Trump and Democrats will only put a few people in jail... More people will ignore it. Trump and Democrats will be safe to pass more incremental gun restrictions... Then the fun Sheriff gets a phone call, "We have a picture and a post on the internet, can we come up and have a talk with you about the Fed ______ ban?" That is all it takes. Incrementalism is an effective tool of socialism. Trumps criminalization of gun parts is a huge, huge, huge deal... |
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Who gives a shit it will get ignored just like the bump stock ban. Eventually they are gonna make so many BS laws that everyone is gonna ignore them and local sheriffs won't enforce them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well? Eventually they are gonna make so many BS laws that everyone is gonna ignore them and local sheriffs won't enforce them. They won’t go door to door. They won’t have to. Long game. |
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If it was that simple he wouldn't be telling people to not be scared of the NRA. He might have also listened to their public comment in opposition to his bumpstock ban. View Quote He doesn't look at stuff through the prism of party politics. That is what makes him hated by both sides. He does what HE thinks is right. |
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Keep your eye on these anti-gun, "take the guns first," Trump followers. They will come up with any reason and excuse to defend Trumps "take the guns first," platform shift. Blame Romney? Check. Blame the NRA? Check. Whos next? Flake, McCain? Trump put his hand on the Bible. Swore an oath to defend the 2nd Amendment. His criminalization of gun parts is criminal and a violation of his oath of office... These anti-gun, "take the guns first," Trump puppets will excuse Trumps criminal behavior on gun rights with *any* excuse... Here is their checklist... Blame the NRA, blame Romney, blame Flake, blame, blame blame. Trumps hand was on the Bible, not Romneys. Not the NRAs... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: -Mitt Romney, signer of a permanent Assault Weapon Ban. Orange Man Bad. They will come up with any reason and excuse to defend Trumps "take the guns first," platform shift. Blame Romney? Check. Blame the NRA? Check. Whos next? Flake, McCain? Trump put his hand on the Bible. Swore an oath to defend the 2nd Amendment. His criminalization of gun parts is criminal and a violation of his oath of office... These anti-gun, "take the guns first," Trump puppets will excuse Trumps criminal behavior on gun rights with *any* excuse... Here is their checklist... Blame the NRA, blame Romney, blame Flake, blame, blame blame. Trumps hand was on the Bible, not Romneys. Not the NRAs... How about blaming BOTH Trump and the NRA for the bumpstock ban.... The NRA did ask that bumpstocks receive additional regulations......and they have yet to fight ANY bumpstock ban in court.... or support any group that is fighting the ban...the NRA is doing NOTHING to help out on this...... Trump then ordered the ATF to ban bumpstocks.....and they did... So both Trump and the NRA deserve blame and criticism... but I know that is hard for some to understand..... |
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Do braces help you shoot full auto? No. View Quote |
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Quoted: Because as an chief executive who doesn't take shit from anybody - look at what the MSM has tried to do to him, he isn't afraid of the NRA. You need to look at him as a CEO, not as President - then things actually become a little clearer. I have to interact with the CEO of a 12 billion $ company on a regular basis. It puts a clearer perspective on how Trump operates. He doesn't look at stuff through the prism of party politics. That is what makes him hated by both sides. He does what HE thinks is right. View Quote That is in clear opposition to the constitution and separation of powers. |
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Who are these Trump followers that are defending Trump on bumpstocks and his "take guns first" attitude? Because most are rightfully giving him criticism for it....... How about blaming BOTH Trump and the NRA for the bumpstock ban.... The NRA did ask that bumpstocks receive additional regulations......and they have yet to fight ANY bumpstock ban in court.... or support any group that is fighting the ban...the NRA is doing NOTHING to help out on this...... Trump then ordered the ATF to ban bumpstocks.....and they did... So both Trump and the NRA deserve blame and criticism... but I know that is hard for some to understand..... View Quote |
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Umm, actually for the handgun seasons.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No one needs a pistol brace to hunt deer. That "gimmick" is a generational leap forward as far as the capability of the AR. |
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No, but the argument could be made that they aid in the concealability of the firearm, allowing you to sneak them through security. They also aid in the controllability of those concealable firearms, allowing a shooter to kill more people once they sneak the gun past the security. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do braces help you shoot full auto? No. |
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OPs avatar is a screaming idiot. Hrmmm...... View Quote Tourettes Guy Fuck you in the ass! |
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Soros schills be out View Quote You can't make this shit up...it's like living in bizarro world. So fuck the 2a and anyone who doesn't support common sense gun control is a schill? That gun control is great as long as it's your king doing it? 20 bucks says you would be crying like a little bitch if this was Obama. |
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Lol wait....so opposing gun control and calling out those who unilaterally implement it via unconstitutional decree are now "Soros schills"? You can't make this shit up...it's like living in bizarro world. So fuck the 2a and anyone who doesn't support common sense gun control is a schill? That gun control is great as long as it's your king doing it? 20 bucks says you would be crying like a little bitch if this was Obama. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Soros schills be out You can't make this shit up...it's like living in bizarro world. So fuck the 2a and anyone who doesn't support common sense gun control is a schill? That gun control is great as long as it's your king doing it? 20 bucks says you would be crying like a little bitch if this was Obama. Bumstocks and braces aren’t ineffective or stupid. They are even more effective than SBRs or full auto firearms. They have been the most effective product in the last 20 years that show who the real 2A supporters are vs those who just pretend to be. They seem to flush out the RINOs and fake conservatives almost instantly. Wonderful devices they are. I hope they keep making things of similar nature. I like to know who the real enemies of freedom are. Hell they even showed us the NRA isn’t our friend. Now folks are digging into their seedy financials. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” -Samuel Adams |
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If pistol braces are banned, then just put a stock on. Fuck it.
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The purpose of a pistol brace is to facilitate disabled folks when enjoying the shooting sports.
OP, why do you hate disabled people? |
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Quoted: Certainly true if your boy Comey is President. "Surely there are things we can agree upon that relate to who’s able to buy a weapon, what kind of weapon and at what age, what the capabilities of the weapon are, how many rounds does it hold, and things like that, that in no way threaten the rights under the US constitution of people to keep and bear arms. One of the worst things that goes on in the US is the current voice of the National Rifle Association, because it sells fear in the wake of any incident." Mr Comey spoke of how he worked with the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence on engaging with the NRA to improve drugs laws during the early part of his career as a prosecutor. He added: “More and more gun owners in the US are thinking: ‘Wait a minute, we can do something to keep children safer, we can keep the guns out of the hands of dangerous or disturbed people or juveniles in a much more effective way.’ “We restrict the ability to buy silencers in the US, we restrict the ability to buy fully automatic weapons – the world has not ended as a result of that.” Mr Comey said as a gun owner himself he was not arguing for an outright ban, simply stricter gun controls. “I’m comfortable around guns. I own guns. And yet I, like I hope all thoughtful gun owners, recognise that on the one hand it’s a right guaranteed in the US constitution, but like all rights in the constitution it’s appropriately subject to reasonable regulation and restriction.” Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/world/james-comey-national-rifle-association-nra-gun-control/ Yeah. You really care about the 2nd amendment. View Quote |
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Quoted: During the ATF economic impact study there were over half a million bumpstocks in the wild. Not counting 3D printed models or DIY versions. Trump made over half a million gun owners felons with the stroke of a pen. At an estimated cost of $217 million dollars. Shut down 2 American manufacturing businesses putting blue collar Americans out of work. ETA: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/29/2018-06292/bump-stock-type-devices View Quote |
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Quoted: Yeah right. Keep dreaming. EVERYONE in the world saw and heard how a bumpstock made a standard rifle sound and shoot like a machine gun. Even those unfamiliar with guns think they know what a machine gun looks and sounds like — they don’t have to have it explained to them. And they thought it was horrible. Compare that with: NO one, repeat NO ONE who is not really into firearms has any idea what an “SBR” is, or why having one would be any more dangerous that a “normal” rifle. Even if you tell them the difference, they’d still be like “ok...so what?” See the difference? Everyone here on AR15 can talk about the slippery slope of banning and we’ll agree. But to say the public will have the same reaction to a brace-equipped murder weapon as they do to a bumpstock-equipped one is simply irrational. View Quote |
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As soon as some nut job shoots up a place with a gun with a brace on it........
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No doubt Hilary would have been a much better champion of the 2nd Amendment. Right? I mean just look at her record over the years. And it was her turn. This whole thing is so unfair. I'll take Trump all day every day and never tire of the winning. View Quote Fact is Trump doesn't get along with anyone, so everyone opposes him. |
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Bump stocks were dead the minute Vegas shooting happened. So for all the butt hurt at Trump's betrayal and the fudds at the NRA fucking you, how would you have preferred it? Acknowledge the reality that Bump stocks were getting banned. Because that is the reality. They were dead. So lets blame a game for the Molon Labe crew. How would you have worded legislation (which was the only other alternative) that would have banned bump stocks and NOTHING else. I'll wait. The outraged basement dweller community needs to fucking get out sometimes. View Quote |
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SNIP How would you have worded legislation (which was the only other alternative) that would have banned bump stocks and NOTHING else. SNIP View Quote (n) Bumpstock The term “Bumpstock” means any accessory which facilitates resetting the trigger of a firearm through recoil, has a stock attached to a pistol grip and an integrated finger rest. Then add them to the NFA. |
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Quoted: Probably something along the lines of (n) Bumpstock The term “Bumpstock” means any accessory which facilitates resetting the trigger of a firearm through recoil, has a stock attached to a pistol grip and an integrated finger rest. Then add them to the NFA. View Quote |
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Quoted: Probably something along the lines of (n) Bumpstock The term “Bumpstock” means any accessory which facilitates resetting the trigger of a firearm through recoil, has a stock attached to a pistol grip and an integrated finger rest. Then add them to the NFA. View Quote And now we are simply looking at trigger reset. Is anything that "facilitates" resetting the trigger? Why recoil? You are focusing on the banning of a "bumpstock." Not devices that simulate full auto. Didn't someone on here 3d print a bump grip that didn't have a stock? As written, you would do nothing to actually ban bumpstocks other than the current device and the "finger rest" addition would mean it would be too narrow. Ryan and the turtle aren't going for that. |
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Quoted: Now, get pedantic. Is the "integrated finger rest" required to "facilitate" And now we are simply looking at trigger reset. Is anything that "facilitates" resetting the trigger? Why recoil? You are focusing on the banning of a "bumpstock." Not devices that simulate full auto. Didn't someone on here 3d print a bump grip that didn't have a stock? As written, you would do nothing to actually ban bumpstocks other than the current device and the "finger rest" addition would mean it would be too narrow. Ryan and the turtle aren't going for that. View Quote If you want to ban almost all semi-auto's, you could use the wonderfull interpretation of what a machinegun is from this latest rule. |
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You asked to write a law that bans just bumpstocks - I did. If you want to ban almost all semi-auto's, you could use the wonderfull interpretation of what a machinegun is from this latest rule. View Quote Shit was gonna get banned. I'll take a narrow administrative ruling, for all its evils, over what would have crawled out of congress. |
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Quoted: what you wrote wasn't what was coming out of congress. Shit was gonna get banned. I'll take a narrow administrative ruling, for all its evils, over what would have crawled out of congress. View Quote |
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Bump stocks were dead the minute Vegas shooting happened. So for all the butt hurt at Trump's betrayal and the fudds at the NRA fucking you, how would you have preferred it? Acknowledge the reality that Bump stocks were getting banned. Because that is the reality. They were dead. So lets blame a game for the Molon Labe crew. How would you have worded legislation (which was the only other alternative) that would have banned bump stocks and NOTHING else. I'll wait. The outraged basement dweller community needs to fucking get out sometimes. View Quote I don't buy your premise that a ban was inevitable. Not one bit. Remember when Trump said after one of the massacres that "we'll have the conversation about gun control later" and that was touted by the Trump guys as the perfect strategy to kick the can down the road, wait for the news cycle to die and then do nothing? That was at least a plausible possibility. But nope. He was serious. He was having the conversations about gun control long after the news cycle died and gun control was not coming from the legislative branch. So he did what an executive does and "got it done" and bragged about how he got it done on the first try when Obama couldn't get it done on multiple ones. |
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Bump stocks were as dead after Vegas as the AR15 was after Sandy Hook. I don't buy your premise that a ban was inevitable. Not one bit. Remember when Trump said after one of the massacres that "we'll have the conversation about gun control later" and that was touted by the Trump guys as the perfect strategy to kick the can down the road, wait for the news cycle to die and then do nothing? That was at least a plausible possibility. But nope. He was serious. He was having the conversations about gun control long after the news cycle died and gun control was not coming from the legislative branch. So he did what an executive does and "got it done" and bragged about how he got it done on the first try when Obama couldn't get it done on multiple ones. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump stocks were dead the minute Vegas shooting happened. So for all the butt hurt at Trump's betrayal and the fudds at the NRA fucking you, how would you have preferred it? Acknowledge the reality that Bump stocks were getting banned. Because that is the reality. They were dead. So lets blame a game for the Molon Labe crew. How would you have worded legislation (which was the only other alternative) that would have banned bump stocks and NOTHING else. I'll wait. The outraged basement dweller community needs to fucking get out sometimes. I don't buy your premise that a ban was inevitable. Not one bit. Remember when Trump said after one of the massacres that "we'll have the conversation about gun control later" and that was touted by the Trump guys as the perfect strategy to kick the can down the road, wait for the news cycle to die and then do nothing? That was at least a plausible possibility. But nope. He was serious. He was having the conversations about gun control long after the news cycle died and gun control was not coming from the legislative branch. So he did what an executive does and "got it done" and bragged about how he got it done on the first try when Obama couldn't get it done on multiple ones. |
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Quoted: Bump stocks were as dead after Vegas as the AR15 was after Sandy Hook. I don't buy your premise that a ban was inevitable. Not one bit. Remember when Trump said after one of the massacres that "we'll have the conversation about gun control later" and that was touted by the Trump guys as the perfect strategy to kick the can down the road, wait for the news cycle to die and then do nothing? That was at least a plausible possibility. But nope. He was serious. He was having the conversations about gun control long after the news cycle died and gun control was not coming from the legislative branch. So he did what an executive does and "got it done" and bragged about how he got it done on the first try when Obama couldn't get it done on multiple ones. View Quote No. There is no comparison to sandy hook and vegas. fucking zero. The american people think full auto is banned. So does most of congress. we all saw the vegas videos. and even people who know guns weren't sure if that was legit full auto or not. To people who don't know guns, this is no different than a LL or atkins accelerator. |
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Even if we had lost bump stocks, IMO it would have been better to lose them after a fight in Congress w/ a law passed than the abomination that we got w/ the ATF. At least there we'd have people who voted for it or against it that we could hold to account for their votes. Instead we got a crappy decision that's going to bite us on the ass for years. View Quote Y'all live in a fantasy land. |
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Probably after the next leftist gun control activist extremist commits the next atrocity with one
Then the MSM will be asking questions about braces and some dumbass gun owner will gleefully try to defend them and then be shocked when the MSM cuts the footage in a negative portrayal |
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Quoted: there would have been ZERO fight. No one was fighting this. Not Ted Cruz. No one. And what would have come out would have been worse in all likelihood. Y'all live in a fantasy land. View Quote |
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Quoted: so the NRA ISN'T a bunch of gun banning fudds? No. There is no comparison to sandy hook and vegas. fucking zero. The american people think full auto is banned. So does most of congress. we all saw the vegas videos. and even people who know guns weren't sure if that was legit full auto or not. To people who don't know guns, this is no different than a LL or atkins accelerator. View Quote |
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