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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:30:18 PM EDT
I mean I know it’s really bad, just looking for some more info.

Little background.

Family member who’s never taken care of themselves, zero impulse control,  finally crashed with very serious medical issues at 30 years old. smoking, drinking, over eating , decade of obesity has devolved into heart failure, 25% heart function and other serious complications with pace maker surgery, where it had to be removed due to lead issues, and initial infection

14 days of Iv antibiotics were ordered a few days ago, now I guess blood tests are showing sepsis , and due to insurance issues being moves from hospital to a nursing home.

This as bad as I think it is ?



Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:32:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Pretty damn serious, especially when piled on top of heart failure.  

They're fighting for their life right now.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:33:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Cesarean section increases the risk of postoperative infection, which can then develop into sepsis. The results of many previous studies [8–10] have shown that the occurrence of postoperative sepsis can significantly increase the risk of death in patients.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:33:27 PM EDT
[#3]
It’s bad. I’ve known multiple people that developed it and died and only one (my uncle) who got through it.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:33:43 PM EDT
[#4]
it's as bad as you think it is
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:34:11 PM EDT
[#5]
It’s as serious as (a systemic infection that could kill you ust as easily as) a heart attack.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:34:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Is this a serious question?
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:35:05 PM EDT
[#7]
It's serious like "People Die" level serious.

Bigger_Hammer
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:35:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:35:30 PM EDT
[#9]
I never heard of someone that young getting it.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:36:38 PM EDT
[#10]
A close friend died after being in ICU for five and a half weeks in septic shock.  I don't know how Sepsis compares as far as severity.  

Same situation as far as self- care.  Pretty much a 25 year long suicide.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:36:54 PM EDT
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Same. My grandfather died from it, but he was old and in poor health.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:37:17 PM EDT
[#12]
Sepsis is when you are past localized infection and are now systemic.  Without getting into all the nitty gritty details, it involves a lot more than just antibiotics to treat.  Many hospital systems now have time parameters for suspected sepsis much like strokes or heart attacks because it can be time critical to treat before it is irreversible.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:39:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Yes it's really fucking bad.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:40:32 PM EDT
[#14]
At 30? Good grief.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:41:36 PM EDT
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This as bad as I think it is ?
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If you're thinking "not likely to survive" bad... yes.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:43:01 PM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing!

Jesus Christ people, YES IT IS MOTHERFUCKING SERIOUS!
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:43:05 PM EDT
[#17]
On a scale of 1 to 10 its an 87.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:45:47 PM EDT
[#18]
Hopefully this family member either had their affairs in order or are coherent enough to do so now.  Sepsis is very serious on its own.  Comorbidities make it even more serious.  I would prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:46:20 PM EDT
[#19]
chances of death are way way way above zero
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:47:54 PM EDT
[#20]
Sepsis is bad. If I'm reading right sepsis after 14 days of antibiotic therapy is very bad. It usually means they didn't get source control (i.e. there's a site of infection that needs drained or cut out) or the bug is resistant to the antibiotics they're using.

A 30 year old with 25% ejection fraction and pacemaker lead infection really sounds like endocarditis
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:48:31 PM EDT
[#21]
My mom, in 1992 died from it post OP.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:49:12 PM EDT
[#22]
An uneducated, not a doctor guess I’d estimate it accounts for 30-40% of hospital deaths.


Went and looked it up:

Sepsis affects approximately 1.7 million adults in the United States each year and potentially contributes to more than 250 000 deaths. Various studies estimate that sepsis is present in 30% to 50% of hospitalizations that culminate in death.
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Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:49:17 PM EDT
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I had it at age 33, and was otherwise in excellent health.  It went from "I don't feel so well" to "I'm going to die today" in a matter of hours. My parents were told I probably wouldn't survive until the next morning. Almost 3 weeks in ICU, but survived.

ETA - My case was septic shock, resulting from uncontrolled sepsis.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:49:54 PM EDT
[#24]
As others have said, unfortunately, very bad. I had a bout of staph infection / cellulitis in my left leg back in 2021, and it took about 3 months to eradicate it. My doctor said I was on the verge of getting sepsis. I felt like dog poop for about a week when I first got it.

A close friend died last September, and I'm convinced it was sepsis, based on his wife's description of open, bleeding sores on his legs, renal failure, BP all over the place, high fever, etc.

Prayers for the afflicted.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:50:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Nursing home is probably hospice.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:52:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Blood poisoning.   It's also called blood poisoning.  
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:52:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Very serious.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:52:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Do you know anything about gunshot wounds?  What makes any gunshot wound bad, provided you survive the bullet, is something called sepsis. Say a bullet tears into you right now – It creates a cavity of dead tissue, the cavity fills up with bile and bacteria and you’re fucked.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:53:33 PM EDT
[#29]
family member works in the ER

she says the three big ones that get high alert status are :  Stroke, Sepsis and Heart Attack.  (medical conditions as opposed to trauma...)

so yeah its a big deal.  not good.  



Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:54:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Killed my dad and killed a good friend last year. Pretty bad, like there's probably no hope for him now bad.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:54:25 PM EDT
[#31]
My Dad just passed from it at 76. He was also not good at taking care of himself. First the hospital, then nursing home, then hospice for 3 days until he passed.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:54:33 PM EDT
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It's not uncommon for young people to experience sepsis
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:55:35 PM EDT
[#33]
Calling dibs counts for nothing, drive over and start taking their shit now
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:56:29 PM EDT
[#34]
It can kill you in an extremely painful manner, so it's a little bit serious.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:57:21 PM EDT
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This
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:58:42 PM EDT
[#36]
septic shock is real and can kill.

multipressor shock, cvl, artline sometimes, occasional intubation, etc. very dangerous and low lvEF in that young of age is no bueno.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:58:44 PM EDT
[#37]
It's 2023. No one dies of infections or sepsis.

Move on.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 12:58:56 PM EDT
[#38]
It is deadly serious.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:01:44 PM EDT
[#39]
My oldest friend died of it on Valentine’s Day.
He said he was feeling better, then he was dead  a week later
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:02:23 PM EDT
[#40]
Sepsis is basically a whole body infection.  With the other health issues, it will find places to settle.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:04:12 PM EDT
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An uneducated, not a doctor guess I’d estimate it accounts for 30-40% of hospital deaths.


Went and looked it up:

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The wife volunteers atthe local hospital
She hears “sepsis” a lot
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:04:16 PM EDT
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Bingo, virtually the only way you are leaving the hospital with active sepsis (and his other list of ailes) is hospice. Sorry OP.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:05:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Pretty serious, especially given your description of the situation (I almost died from it).
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:08:17 PM EDT
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Cesarean section increases the risk of postoperative infection, which can then develop into sepsis. The results of many previous studies [8–10] have shown that the occurrence of postoperative sepsis can significantly increase the risk of death in patients.
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That seems like a strange way to remove a pace maker.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:08:39 PM EDT
[#45]
It is typically the final mechanism of death when suffer other serious health conditions. In medical terms he’s “circling the drain”.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:12:23 PM EDT
[#46]
It is “don’t leave anything unsaid between you while you can” serious.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:12:52 PM EDT
[#47]
With the stated comorbidities, unfortunately expected mortality is on the order of 80%
However, if they are moving him to a nursing home, that may indicate he is stable and is transferred there for extended IV antibiotics
In that case, he is beating the odds, but I wouldn't celebrate just yet
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:13:32 PM EDT
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Pretty damn serious, especially when piled on top of heart failure.  

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Correct.
Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:18:00 PM EDT
[#49]
I had sepsis/ MRSA after an operation when I was 31.  Ureter repair after some bad kidney stones.  I was in excellent physical shape.  Crossfit 5 days a week, ate good, low body fat... Never smoked, rarely drank.

I only survived by the grace of God.  Thank God I was in top physical shape. The pain and suffering from 105 degree fever and the gut infection was very difficult to bear.  I was F'ed up for a while.


I don't possibly see how someone in that poor of condition could survive the ordeal, at least if it was anything like what I went through.

I'd take cancer/ chemo again any day over that shit.

Link Posted: 4/24/2023 1:18:03 PM EDT
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It can be real bad.  To OP's relation, the compounding of poor diet and physical condition on top of sepsis has a huge multiplier effect.

My sepsis story, my appendix grenaded at age 47.  I was slightly overweight before it happened, otherwise in excellent health.

Sepsis set in shortly after the remnants of my appendix were removed.  They had to keep the wound channel open for two weeks for follow up clean up and fluid drainage.  I was on Cipro for 4-5 months, trying to knock it down.  I was in brain fog for the entire time, and sometimes wonder if there are still residual effects on that front.  After everything was cleaned up, my liver functions had gone from excellent pre appendix to marginal a year later.  Kidneys took about a year to recover.  My physical two years after the appendicitis, liver functioning returned to normal ranges.  

I was in excellent health going into it, didn't do anything stupid (health wise) and it still took over two years to get back to 80% of where I started.
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