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Quoted: Rust and patina are two different things. Rust is actually destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: That's not so much patina as it is wear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That's not so much patina as it is wear. Wear is patina. |
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Quoted: Get the rotary polisher out and clean op that mess https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/1200px-Ancient_Greek_helmets-2100505.jpg View Quote Just scrap em and make new ones, even chrome em, would look good |
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Quoted: I drive a "patina" truck. Its wear is all honest to goodness use. I purposefully bought the roughest running and driving FJ40 I could find. I actually wanted to keep using it as intended, and not some coffee grabbing status symbol. It was a GA farm truck for years, and it now sports a 5.3 LS and is my DD. Love it every day honestly. I intend to do a full resto at some point, but I honestly beat the snot out of it on the weekends and it just keeps on ticking. I leave the "patina" because I've only been adding to it and I don't care to restore it just to not be able to use it. I admit I'm probably the minority in that regard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632325894865_jpg-2100503.JPG View Quote Yep, it makes a lot of sense to me on a vehicle that is for use rather than show. |
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Patina has value to me when it proves something's age and/or its originality.
Patina can be very-very valuable. My cousin has a '62 Dodge Dart Wagon. Impossibly ugly car. But, he sprayed over the 'patina' and I think it actually enhances the car's coolness. |
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Interesting. I've heard of patina being mentioned in regards to copper art colors. Never heard it applied to cars.
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Quoted: I drive a "patina" truck. Its wear is all honest to goodness use. I purposefully bought the roughest running and driving FJ40 I could find. I actually wanted to keep using it as intended, and not some coffee grabbing status symbol. It was a GA farm truck for years, and it now sports a 5.3 LS and is my DD. Love it every day honestly. I intend to do a full resto at some point, but I honestly beat the snot out of it on the weekends and it just keeps on ticking. I leave the "patina" because I've only been adding to it and I don't care to restore it just to not be able to use it. I admit I'm probably the minority in that regard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632325894865_jpg-2100503.JPG ETA: see that bent in radiator? That's from a full rollover, it doesn't even leak.. Replaced the roll bar and windshield and kept driving. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632326518167_jpg-2100509.JPG View Quote This shitbox is an original paint truck (I think the bottom rear part of the bed may have been reshot at one time but am not 100% sure). Is it worth more/less that way? Don't know, don't care. I keep what is left shiny and don't cry if it gets another scratch. Attached File |
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Quoted: This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. View Quote Who the fuck is gonna dump 20k into body work and paint for a car that wouldn't even sell completely restored for 30k... Some cars are literally not worth a full up restoration. |
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I've spent enough time driving around in ragged out bullshit, I don't know why I'd want it to even look like I still do.
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Quoted: When I helped restore this, it took a lot of time, example of original patina when cleaned correctly, was in an old storage basement for 60 years and looked like a piece of junk before cleaning, was missing parts as well https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/image-2100545.jpg View Quote When you go that far back, you ain't finding one with an original drivetrain. |
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Its a great way to claim more value and do less work for sellers.
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Patina has an interesting history.
How it sort of started was Southern CA beach/surfer cars and "Garage/Shop" Trucks. It became cool to have a first a "sun faded" look, then a sort of "matte paint" look, then wear on the paint that replicates a look like the car was parked at the beach for 20 years or that the shop truck was used by monkeys for 20 years. That's sort of when the look stops being organic and it bleeds into "Rat Rod" or "Rust bucket". The vast majority of Patina cars are intended to resemble organic wear on a paint surface. The "Rust Bucket" look is basically paint representing a "wrecking yard" look (some look like a car that was dumped in a river). It doesn't make a lot of sense on a modern car - of course neither does matte paint or flames. |
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Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. View Quote In about 100 years it might be quite valuable |
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Quoted: In about 100 years it might be quite valuable View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. In about 100 years it might be quite valuable |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That's not so much patina as it is wear. Wear is patina. being on an eventual historic firearm battle wear does add to the provenance but rubbing clean through an anodized finish is wear and tear not patina. It doesn't really do anything to show the age, just use. if the anodized finish had some areas that were a little different color or simply smoother from light wear it would be considered patina. |
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As others have said, patina is normal wear. Patina is the daily driver that hasn't been repainted. The rest of the vehicle outside of the patina has many levels. You have full chassis upgrades, LS or Coyote swaps, bags, etc or you can leave it stock. It's all about what you like. The other plus is you don't worry if it rains and the thought of a door ding doesn't scare you like it would with a $20k paint job.
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Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. View Quote |
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Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. View Quote What I see when I look at that van. Straight, presumably rust free (because TX, not rust belt or northeast). Clean all the shmoo off of it. Stock 6.0 and 4L80 out of a newer van, bigger brakes, rebuild suspension. Exhaust with a little bit of noise to it. Not dumb loud, just enough to let you know a V8 lives in there. Slight lowering job, appropriate modern set of wheels/tires. Maybe a set of 16-18" steelies Front part of the interior redone with comfortable seats, working AC and a good stereo. Work van partition and racks/cabinets in the back. Redo bumpers, grille and trim (maybe chrome but more likely black). Lettered with my company name/contact info in an era appropriate font. Maybe I am weird but I find myself more interested in what is in the parking lot at car shows then the cars on display sometimes. I enjoy seeing more in progress, not quite show worthy, survivor and obviously home built cars then I do seeing checkbook builds. |
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Quoted: This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example. This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. I always thought that was the real reason. |
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Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. View Quote So - in the right context - if the mechanicals were perfect, the van was cleaned off (patina does not include tree sap), and the finish was stabilized - it probably would be worth double the KBB. In fact there is a whole group of patina van enthusiasts out there. |
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Quoted: What about patina after restoration? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210920_124940-2098406.jpg View Quote Actually has some value, if it was restored 50 or 60 years ago ,they are starting to have value because of time or who restored it |
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Quoted: Its been for sale for over 10 years. The owner is dead now. Nobody ever asked to even look at it so I doubt there is much money there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You might be surprised what those vans are bringing. I like patina myself. If you go to a cruise in, every one has a shiney car. |
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Quoted: What I see when I look at that van. Straight, presumably rust free (because TX, not rust belt or northeast). Clean all the shmoo off of it. Stock 6.0 and 4L80 out of a newer van, bigger brakes, rebuild suspension. Exhaust with a little bit of noise to it. Not dumb loud, just enough to let you know a V8 lives in there. Slight lowering job, appropriate modern set of wheels/tires. Maybe a set of 16-18" steelies Front part of the interior redone with comfortable seats, working AC and a good stereo. Work van partition and racks/cabinets in the back. Redo bumpers, grille and trim (maybe chrome but more likely black). Lettered with my company name/contact info in an era appropriate font. Maybe I am weird but I find myself more interested in what is in the parking lot at car shows then the cars on display sometimes. I enjoy seeing more in progress, not quite show worthy, survivor and obviously home built cars then I do seeing checkbook builds. View Quote |
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Quoted: What about patina after restoration? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210920_124940-2098406.jpg View Quote Yep - they call that "an older restoration" and they can be more valuable then a fresh restoration if certain "totally unavailable OEM parts" are in place. |
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Patina is usually from a combination of alternating neglect and care.
Get yer tetanus shots though… |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3561/20200204_200257-1263680.jpg Muh brakes have a patina... View Quote I have a C3…not looking forward to brake time. Sigh. |
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