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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:37:02 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it's why I think IDPA is becoming dumber and dumber as the years roll on. The ideal concealed carry gun isn't a 1911 anymore, because the AWB is dead. Even a stock Glock 19 with the shit that comes in the box isn't legal if you load it to capacity - and we have guns like the Sig Macro, Hellcat Pro, etc - all smaller and lighter in the same caliber, and designed from the ground up to be concealed carry guns. If you load them to capacity - you can't shoot half the divisions. Never mind that The last time I looked, a production done can hold 15 rounds, but a carry optics gun was limited to 10. IDPA needs to realize people are carrying "gamer guns" and get with the times - a slide mounted reciprocating optic that comes mounted on the gun from the factory is an indicator they're intended for "concealed carry" use. There's a big difference from an open faced race holster and a 2011 using 150mm mags; and the RDO Equipped Sig 365XL Joe bought at Sportsmans Warehouse two weeks before the shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My pocket gun carries more than 10 rounds lol. it's why I think IDPA is becoming dumber and dumber as the years roll on. The ideal concealed carry gun isn't a 1911 anymore, because the AWB is dead. Even a stock Glock 19 with the shit that comes in the box isn't legal if you load it to capacity - and we have guns like the Sig Macro, Hellcat Pro, etc - all smaller and lighter in the same caliber, and designed from the ground up to be concealed carry guns. If you load them to capacity - you can't shoot half the divisions. Never mind that The last time I looked, a production done can hold 15 rounds, but a carry optics gun was limited to 10. IDPA needs to realize people are carrying "gamer guns" and get with the times - a slide mounted reciprocating optic that comes mounted on the gun from the factory is an indicator they're intended for "concealed carry" use. There's a big difference from an open faced race holster and a 2011 using 150mm mags; and the RDO Equipped Sig 365XL Joe bought at Sportsmans Warehouse two weeks before the shoot. Two decades ago, a race gun from then was a slicked up SAO. Now, it considered obsolete junk as a carry pistol. Times change and that means so does the tech. A modern defensive mid-grade consumer carry gun is a high capacity subcompact with a RDO. They're factory built and advertised as carry guns! If IDPA wants to keep it to the 90s, then just copy our Retro-Wave Match and limit the guns to a certain era. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Miami we can always count on you to be stuck in the 1990's  This is a modern carry gun @Colt653  But IDPA makes it sound like it is a race gun. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:49:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But that's why I think IDPA is stupid with this rule.... They're stuck in the 90s because by today's metrics, the 3566 is a outdated carry gun, let alone being a race gun. This is a modern carry gun @Colt653 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/HELLCAT-PRO-FEATURED.jpg But IDPA makes it sound like it is a race gun. Believe it or not, I will agree with a lot of this. I think a better metric would be some thing like number of units sold. But, I don't make the rules. If this kills IDPA then there will be room for another organization. I'm willing to bet the IDPA is larger in 5 years than it is now though. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But that's why I think IDPA is stupid with this rule.... They're stuck in the 90s because by today's metrics, the 3566 is a outdated carry gun, let alone being a race gun. This is a modern carry gun @Colt653 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/HELLCAT-PRO-FEATURED.jpg But IDPA makes it sound like it is a race gun. yep i picture in my mind….Bill Wilson climbing into his 1981 F-150 bench seats and driving to “the mall” to pick up this month’s edition of GUN & AMMO |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:54:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious, would IDPA consider my factory built S&W Model 745 to be a race gun? https://i.imgur.com/jtF8UPQ.jpg It is simply a 2nd Gen S&W .45, sold as a SAO IPSC 10th anniversary commemorative. The slide mounted safety is simply a firing pin block. I've carried it numerous times as a CCW piece in my Galco shoulder rig. Does it fit in the the box? How is it different than an Ed Brown 1911, other than it works? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:13:19 PM EDT
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Seems the easiest way to differentiate is whether the pistol has an optic or irons, and do an X inches sized box that the gun with the longest mag you'll use that day inserted has to fit in.
Call them Big and Small class and have Big Irons, Big Optics, Small Irons, and Small Optics. If it fits the box, it's good to go in Small; if not, it's Big. If it has irons (whether metal, plastic, painted, fiber, etc) it's in Irons. If it has an optic (slide mounted, frame mounted, etc) it's in Optics. And stop with the mag retention tomfoolery. And limiting the number of rounds. And the weight. They really have made something that's supposed to be fun not very fun. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:28:54 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I no longer shoot idpa because it turned into gaming. Glad to see I might be able to run my EDC gear again. Same. Guys showing up with mag well extensions, soft loaded reloads to minimize recoil. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:35:05 PM EDT
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Matches are not a training event, no matter what org.
Matches validate your training. You do not get enough reps at any match to gain any training value whatsoever. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Matches are not a training event, no matter what org. Matches validate your training. You do not get enough reps at any match to gain any training value whatsoever. True. If you ONLY compete in matches, then you aren't getting much training at all. However, the competition serves to motivate and put a timeline to pre-competition practice, which goes along with your "matches validate your training" which is why those "realism based' matches are more useful for real-world exercises than race-gun matches. Also, matches impart something that our casual solo training sessions cannot -- the "this is the time - no do-overs!" pressure. In our practice sessions, if we don't get something right -- it is no big deal, just do it again, and again, and again, as many do-overs as we feel like doing. In competitions, you screw up once, and you're probably out of the running for the top spots. No do-overs until the next match. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. If you ONLY compete in matches, then you aren't getting much training at all. However, the competition serves to motivate and put a timeline to pre-competition practice, which goes along with your "matches validate your training" which is why those "realism based' matches are more useful for real-world exercises than race-gun matches. Also, matches impart something that our casual solo training sessions cannot -- the "this is the time - no do-overs!" pressure. In our practice sessions, if we don't get something right -- it is no big deal, just do it again, and again, and again, as many do-overs as we feel like doing. In competitions, you screw up once, and you're probably out of the running for top spot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Matches are not a training event, no matter what org. Matches validate your training. You do not get enough reps at any match to gain any training value whatsoever. True. If you ONLY compete in matches, then you aren't getting much training at all. However, the competition serves to motivate and put a timeline to pre-competition practice, which goes along with your "matches validate your training" which is why those "realism based' matches are more useful for real-world exercises than race-gun matches. Also, matches impart something that our casual solo training sessions cannot -- the "this is the time - no do-overs!" pressure. In our practice sessions, if we don't get something right -- it is no big deal, just do it again, and again, and again, as many do-overs as we feel like doing. In competitions, you screw up once, and you're probably out of the running for top spot. Except, I don't believe in "realism based" matches. Learn marksmanship and gun handling at a high level, apply those skills to the situation. There is more skill to be gained from hit factor based scoring over time plus, regardless the externals between all the orgs out there. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Guys showing up with mag well extensions, soft loaded reloads to minimize recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I no longer shoot idpa because it turned into gaming. Glad to see I might be able to run my EDC gear again. Same. Guys showing up with mag well extensions, soft loaded reloads to minimize recoil. There has been a lot of this sentiment. It's almost like there were a bunch of people that wanted a fairly level playing field that let them start testing themselves against other people, all while using guns they already had. Who knew? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has been a lot of this sentiment. It's almost like there were a bunch of people that wanted a fairly level playing field that let them start testing themselves against other people, all while using guns they already had. Who knew? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I no longer shoot idpa because it turned into gaming. Glad to see I might be able to run my EDC gear again. Same. Guys showing up with mag well extensions, soft loaded reloads to minimize recoil. There has been a lot of this sentiment. It's almost like there were a bunch of people that wanted a fairly level playing field that let them start testing themselves against other people, all while using guns they already had. Who knew? If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:26:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Matches are not a training event, no matter what org. Matches validate your training. You do not get enough reps at any match to gain any training value whatsoever. Not sure about that. Action pistol is like 192 rounds and seems to work as training at least as a supplemental. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:30:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a minimum power factor for a reason. If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? Narcissists lacking any introspection who should be angry at themselves for not putting in the time training looking to blame the "cheater". It must be the gear of that cheater, not the fact that I've only put 50 rounds through my gun in the past 3 months. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:39:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a minimum power factor for a reason. If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? True...most factory ammo isn't that much over power factor in 9mm that is...now 45 is a totally different story. Now how 115 vs 147gr feels is a whole different story...but just a good excuse to start reloading 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Narcissists lacking any introspection who should be angry at themselves for not putting in the time training looking to blame the "cheater". It must be the gear of that cheater, not the fact that I've only put 50 rounds through my gun in the past 3 months. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's a minimum power factor for a reason. If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? Narcissists lacking any introspection who should be angry at themselves for not putting in the time training looking to blame the "cheater". It must be the gear of that cheater, not the fact that I've only put 50 rounds through my gun in the past 3 months. Well, that's one way to look at it.  Again, no-one will be dragging you from your house to the range. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:51:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that's one way to look at it. Again, no-one will be dragging you from your house to the range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's a minimum power factor for a reason. If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? Narcissists lacking any introspection who should be angry at themselves for not putting in the time training looking to blame the "cheater". It must be the gear of that cheater, not the fact that I've only put 50 rounds through my gun in the past 3 months. Well, that's one way to look at it. Again, no-one will be dragging you from your house to the range. Okay then you tell me, is it a problem if a competitor has ammo that meets minimum power factor? If someone complains said ammo has a tiny bit less recoil than them what does that make them? I bet if you subtracted 30 seconds off any of those peoples match times they wouldn't break into the top half of shooters. I also would make the bet that if you swapped said ammo with the complainer the better shooters overall time wouldn't be more than a few seconds slower. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:53:54 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. You lose the mass appeal once the gaming gets out of hand. Next comes divisions based on scores, then sandbagging, lack of personnel, merging of divisions, then circling the drain. Far from the first sport to have it happen in. “Divisions based on scores” are called “Classes”. Why would you not want to be competing against others using similar equipment with roughly the same skill level? Otherwise a new shooter or a weekend warrior that comes out to shoot for fun is going to get crushed by a GM who lives and breathes this stuff. That sucks for everyone. Classes provide competitive equity. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:55:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it fit in the the box? How is it different than an Ed Brown 1911, other than it works? The answer to that question is now based upon the judgement of the most retarded Match Director in the sport. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:56:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Guys showing up with mag well extensions, soft loaded reloads to minimize recoil. Mag wells are only allowed in certain divisions and there is a power factor floor for competition. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay then you tell me, is it a problem if a competitor has ammo that meets minimum power factor? If someone complains said ammo has a tiny bit less recoil than them what does that make them? I bet if you subtracted 30 seconds off any of those peoples match times they wouldn't break into the top half of shooters. I also would make the bet that if you swapped said ammo with the complainer the better shooters overall time wouldn't be more than a few seconds slower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's a minimum power factor for a reason. If it makes power factor appropriate for the division, who cares? Narcissists lacking any introspection who should be angry at themselves for not putting in the time training looking to blame the "cheater". It must be the gear of that cheater, not the fact that I've only put 50 rounds through my gun in the past 3 months. Well, that's one way to look at it. Again, no-one will be dragging you from your house to the range. Okay then you tell me, is it a problem if a competitor has ammo that meets minimum power factor? If someone complains said ammo has a tiny bit less recoil than them what does that make them? I bet if you subtracted 30 seconds off any of those peoples match times they wouldn't break into the top half of shooters. I also would make the bet that if you swapped said ammo with the complainer the better shooters overall time wouldn't be more than a few seconds slower. The title of the thread includes "I love to make fun of the IDPA" Then we have: Quoted: guess which days i give a fuck what an “average IDPA shooters” opinion is Now you call IDPA shooters narcissist. Or maybe that was directed at me personally - I don't know Either way, why would I tell you anything, and would you listen if I did? You and other posters have made up your mind and made your attitude toward the IDPA, it's shooters, and it's rules very clear. I'll let future readers and participants make up their own mind on whether they prefer the new rules or the way IDPA was headed - and who the narcissist's are. And one more time: No-one will be dragging any of you from your house to the range. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:12:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The title of the thread includes "I love to make fun of the IDPA" I thought everyone loved to make fun of IDPA. Especially IDPA shooters. Wait… Joyce? Is that you?? Are you still mad over the AIWB thing? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:14:44 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The title of the thread includes "I love to make fun of the IDPA" Then we have: Now you call IDPA shooters narcissist. Or maybe that was directed at me personally - I don't know Either way, why would I tell you anything? I'm done, you and other posters have made up your mind and made your attitude toward the IDPA, it's shooters, and it's rules very clear. I'll let future readers and participants make up their own mind on whether they prefer the new rules or the way IDPA was headed - and who the narcissist's are. And one more time: No-one will be dragging any of you from your house to the range. No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:15:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought everyone loved to make fun of IDPA. Especially IDPA shooters. Wait… Joyce? Is that you?? Are you still mad over the AIWB thing? 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:18:32 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. “I know the PF floor is 125 and you ran 128 at chrono but that’s cutting it too close. You’re a CHEATER!!” Many of these arguments kind of remind me of Feinstein looking at pictures of various guns on the internet to decide which ones should go on the banned list. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:21:24 PM EDT
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OP, you may not remember, but 15 or so years ago bogus "concealment vests" were the rage in IDPA. The vests covered the firearm from the front, but the mesh in back allowed you to see the firearm completely. IDPA cracked down on those, somewhat... but generally unrealistic concealment vests were still going strong last time I shot a competition. Vests will all kinds of gun patches on them which covered the firearm but didn't leave much to the imagination. I used my actual carry gear including a shirt for concealment... but I was one of a very few.
Enforcement will probably be arbitrary, but my last experience with IDPA was that different clubs were already very much arbitrary about what rules they actually enforced. Rules like Power Factor are usually ignored in local matches. I found Division rules not well enforced either. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:28:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, you may not remember, but 15 or so years ago bogus "concealment vests" were the rage in IDPA. The vests covered the firearm from the front, but the mesh in back allowed you to see the firearm completely. IDPA cracked down on those, somewhat... but generally unrealistic concealment vests were still going strong last time I shot a competition. Vests will all kinds of gun patches on them which covered the firearm but didn't leave much to the imagination. I used my actual carry gear including a shirt for concealment... but I was one of a very few. Enforcement will probably be arbitrary, but my last experience with IDPA was that different clubs were already very much arbitrary about what rules they actually enforced. Rules like Power Factor are usually ignored in local matches. I found Division rules not well enforced either. The concealment requirement is fine and objectively gauged. “Can you see the gun with arms out at your sides or not?” There’s not much to it. As a way to differentiate it from USPSA as something that’s practical I’d expect that. Unpopular opinion but I’m actually cool with the ten round mag limits, too. The max stage round count is a paltry 18 rounds so it’s a good way to force a mag change. As that’s a basic skill of handgun shooting it’s a really solid way to incorporate it as a part of the match. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:39:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. LOL, "legal ammo"... my experience is dudes with subsonic loads that need special springs to allow the pistol to cycle... then there was the one who put just enough powder in their revolver loads to punch holes in cardboard... Or shaving seconds off their time by standing where they have full simultaneous visibility to 6 threat targets and can shoot them all without moving their feet one inch. Why use cover or concealment? Worked fabulously on a 1-way range!!! Most of these folks would have done a lot better for themselves by getting out and physically exercising once in a while instead. It was fine when I was younger and got bored punching holes in paper on a static firing line. I might even re-join one day to officially earn a Master Classification or two, but that's about it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:00:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, "legal ammo"... my experience is dudes with subsonic loads that need special springs to allow the pistol to cycle... then there was the one who put just enough powder in their revolver loads to punch holes in cardboard... Or shaving seconds off their time by standing where they have full simultaneous visibility to 6 threat targets and can shoot them all without moving their feet one inch. Why use cover or concealment? Worked fabulously on a 1-way range!!! Most of these folks would have done a lot better for themselves by getting out and physically exercising once in a while instead. It was fine when I was younger and got bored punching holes in paper on a static firing line. I might even re-join one day to officially earn a Master Classification or two, but that's about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. LOL, "legal ammo"... my experience is dudes with subsonic loads that need special springs to allow the pistol to cycle... then there was the one who put just enough powder in their revolver loads to punch holes in cardboard... Or shaving seconds off their time by standing where they have full simultaneous visibility to 6 threat targets and can shoot them all without moving their feet one inch. Why use cover or concealment? Worked fabulously on a 1-way range!!! Most of these folks would have done a lot better for themselves by getting out and physically exercising once in a while instead. It was fine when I was younger and got bored punching holes in paper on a static firing line. I might even re-join one day to officially earn a Master Classification or two, but that's about it. 125 Power factor ammo has no problem knocking down steel and cycles just fine through most of my stock guns. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:08:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure about that. Action pistol is like 192 rounds and seems to work as training at least as a supplemental. SV650Squid is saying that your real training (ie homework) is what you do outside of the match with your dry fire and live fire sessions. You come to the match to prove that you did your homework. When I first started shooting, I took a bunch of training classes and met several dudes who were really into taking training classes. They essentially collected certificates. When I got to know them better, it turned out that their training time was basically only in the classes so their skill level didn't improve much. To your point though, I think match days do provide one training value though in that it exposes your weak areas that are undertrained or not trained at all. If you have a stage where you need to draw and fire from under a table and you haven't practiced that, add it to your training regimen. Stuff like that. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:13:18 PM EDT
[#31]
They are all gun games. Pick one/two/three. Shoot them, have fun.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:20:52 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying a G19 and commercial ammo was the exact same thing as a one-off custom with tuned hand-loads; and anyone who thought differently was a narcissist. Sorry. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:24:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yep i picture in my mind….Bill Wilson climbing into his 1981 F-150 bench seats and driving to “the mall” to pick up this month’s edition of GUN & AMMO Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But that's why I think IDPA is stupid with this rule.... They're stuck in the 90s because by today's metrics, the 3566 is a outdated carry gun, let alone being a race gun. This is a modern carry gun @Colt653 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/HELLCAT-PRO-FEATURED.jpg But IDPA makes it sound like it is a race gun. yep i picture in my mind….Bill Wilson climbing into his 1981 F-150 bench seats and driving to “the mall” to pick up this month’s edition of GUN & AMMO And he won't buy a new one because it costs more than $5k, has buckets, leather, a non washable floor, and power everything.  Kharn |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:25:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying a G19 and commercial ammo was the exact same thing as a one-off custom with tuned hand-loads; and anyone who thought differently was a narcissist. Sorry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, I called people complaining about the power factor of other shooters narcissists. If you're mad at competitors who have legal ammo winning or at least beating you and complain about it that would put you solidly in that group. Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying a G19 and commercial ammo was the exact same thing as a one-off custom with tuned hand-loads; and anyone who thought differently was a narcissist. Sorry. No biggie, just calling out the complainers. I understand you're defending the sport, which I'm not condemning in whole but there is some silliness that's worth poking fun at. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:26:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought everyone loved to make fun of IDPA. Especially IDPA shooters. Wait… Joyce? Is that you?? Are you still mad over the AIWB thing? I thought the whole point of IDPA was to have something to make fun of. 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:27:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are all gun games. Pick one/two/three. Shoot them, have fun. If more people had that attitude this thread and Ben Stoeger wouldn't exist. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:28:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the whole point of IDPA was to have something to make fun of. https://i.imgflip.com/1r4hlt.jpg 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:28:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, "legal ammo"... my experience is dudes with subsonic loads that need special springs to allow the pistol to cycle... then there was the one who put just enough powder in their revolver loads to punch holes in cardboard... Or shaving seconds off their time by standing where they have full simultaneous visibility to 6 threat targets and can shoot them all without moving their feet one inch. Why use cover or concealment? Worked fabulously on a 1-way range!!! Most of these folks would have done a lot better for themselves by getting out and physically exercising once in a while instead. It was fine when I was younger and got bored punching holes in paper on a static firing line. I might even re-join one day to officially earn a Master Classification or two, but that's about it. If your ammunition isn’t functioning your gun there’s no way you’re meeting PF, so that’s not legal ammunition. If the venue or stage doesn’t require me to use cover, why should I use cover? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:32:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If your ammunition isn’t functioning your gun there’s no way you’re meeting PF, so that’s not legal ammunition. If the venue or stage doesn’t require me to use cover, why should I use cover? I did run into a guy in 3-Gun where his ammo wouldn't knock the steel plates off the stands. Given he was kinda elderly, but his buddy actually loaded the ammo for him and put the bic pen recoil spring in his gun. When we went out to paste the targets I loudly said, damn, they did get through the carboard! At least he had a sense of humor about it, but after seeing the guy who loaded ammo's pistol blow up a few matches later I would never trust his reloads. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:35:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryMy man. 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:36:44 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If more people had that attitude this thread and Ben Stoeger wouldn't exist. Why was Ben kicked out of USPSA? Talking shit, or the truth hurts? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:37:41 PM EDT
[#42]
The funniest thing of all this is the Cooper Tunnel. Something Jeff Cooper specifically stated isn't realistic... and what did they do. They incorporated it into IPSC and named it after him.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:37:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was Ben kicked out of USPSA? Talking shit, or the truth hurts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If more people had that attitude this thread and Ben Stoeger wouldn't exist. Why was Ben kicked out of USPSA? Talking shit, or the truth hurts? Talking shit about the truth. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:38:49 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The funniest thing of all this is the Cooper Tunnel. Something Jeff Cooper specifically stated isn't realistic... and what did they do. They incorporated it into IPSC and named it after him. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QxGzmxLBbLQ/maxresdefault.jpg That's hilarious. 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:40:17 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If more people had that attitude this thread and Ben Stoeger wouldn't exist. Shots fired! ?? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:40:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to admit I hate how every genre of competitive practical shooting starts out "honest" with folks shooting what they would actually use for you know "practical shooting", but then it always devolves into gamer bullshit. This |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:40:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOh fuck. Lol |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:41:37 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was Ben kicked out of USPSA? Talking shit, or the truth hurts? A little from column A, a little from column B. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:54:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A little from column A, a little from column B. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why was Ben kicked out of USPSA? Talking shit, or the truth hurts? A little from column A, a little from column B.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 7:06:03 PM EDT
[#50]
I've never had a problem laughing at USPSA.
All the lemmings one after another going through a stage air gunning every single thing they're going to do. It really is quite hilarious. |
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