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What am I missing here? Doesn’t your first sentence contradict your second sentence? Why not delete this request, just like you said you would if it had happened prior to this first request? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I hope you answer honestly (Im not being a jerk here...just take a deep breath and try to be). Do you believe that the UK police have a historical issue with censoring public information? Yes or no? Did you not see this request as suspicious as it was passed through the chain at a UK PD to you? Do you believe you could have politely refused that request without insulting the family or officer? (I believe you could have easily) However this is the first time they have ever contacted us with a request..and there have been a metric ton of assaults on police and soldiers in england. so like I mentioned..I took their request at face value because I had no reason not to. |
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Got an account warning for "trolling" for starting a thread related to the subject. Didn't even cuss, or post nude photos, or gore (last two never happen). Simply tried to make a valid point, in a humorous way...... no animosity at all. Site staff was not entertained.
If I get get banned for posting this, at least site sponsors will know why they don't get my eyes anymore. Maybe I'll forget they exist and quit shopping there. Would be a shame as there are a lot of vendors here that are great, and that I support. |
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Show you stick up for the members. Do it this time. You can delete pictures and you can put them back. So blur the face and post the picture. The ball is headed toward the plate. You have a chance to salvage a base hit or whiff it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would have blurred out the guys face a little out of respect and told the British this is the best they get. That would have been a respectful action. I get both sides but ever since our forefathers kicked their asses, they have no sway here. Now the thread is gone and their quest of erasing the event is one step closer to complete. You can delete pictures and you can put them back. So blur the face and post the picture. The ball is headed toward the plate. You have a chance to salvage a base hit or whiff it. @samiam513 It isn't too late to edit them and throw the thread back up. We can move on. |
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@striker @samiam513 It isn't too late to edit them and throw the thread back up. We can move on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would have blurred out the guys face a little out of respect and told the British this is the best they get. That would have been a respectful action. I get both sides but ever since our forefathers kicked their asses, they have no sway here. Now the thread is gone and their quest of erasing the event is one step closer to complete. You can delete pictures and you can put them back. So blur the face and post the picture. The ball is headed toward the plate. You have a chance to salvage a base hit or whiff it. @samiam513 It isn't too late to edit them and throw the thread back up. We can move on. Keep dreaming. In their view, they did nothing wrong. The upset membership are the bad guys in this instance. |
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LOL Keep dreaming. In their view, they did nothing wrong. The upset membership are the bad guys in View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would have blurred out the guys face a little out of respect and told the British this is the best they get. That would have been a respectful action. I get both sides but ever since our forefathers kicked their asses, they have no sway here. Now the thread is gone and their quest of erasing the event is one step closer to complete. You can delete pictures and you can put them back. So blur the face and post the picture. The ball is headed toward the plate. You have a chance to salvage a base hit or whiff it. @samiam513 It isn't too late to edit them and throw the thread back up. We can move on. Keep dreaming. In their view, they did nothing wrong. The upset membership are the bad guys in |
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Got an account warning for "trolling" for starting a thread related to the subject. Didn't even cuss, or post nude photos, or gore (last two never happen). Simply tried to make a valid point, in a humorous way...... no animosity at all. Site staff was not entertained. If I get get banned for posting this, at least site sponsors will know why they don't get my eyes anymore. Maybe I'll forget they exist and quit shopping there. Would be a shame as there are a lot of vendors here that are great, and that I support. View Quote |
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This forum is going down the shitter so quick its unbelievable. The past months have been attack after attack on the membership.
Its come down to site staff vs the members now, and anyone who doesnt follow the line is a "trouble maker". So sad. Almost as if the left pervaded this site and its all according to plan... |
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Got an account warning for "trolling" for starting a thread related to the subject. Didn't even cuss, or post nude photos, or gore (last two never happen). Simply tried to make a valid point, in a humorous way...... no animosity at all. Site staff was not entertained. If I get get banned for posting this, at least site sponsors will know why they don't get my eyes anymore. Maybe I'll forget they exist and quit shopping there. Would be a shame as there are a lot of vendors here that are great, and that I support. |
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Count me as another member in good standing (not a troll) who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet.
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In business if 1 or 2 customers have an issue I look into it when I get a chance.
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This forum is going down the shitter so quick its unbelievable. The past months have been attack after attack on the membership. Its come down to site staff vs the members now, and anyone who doesnt follow the line is a "trouble maker". So sad. Almost as if the left pervaded this site and its all according to plan... View Quote Almost. |
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I would have blurred out the guys face a little out of respect and told the British this is the best they get. That would have been a respectful action. I get both sides but ever since our forefathers kicked their asses, they have no sway here. Now the thread is gone and their quest of erasing the event is one step closer to complete. You can delete pictures and you can put them back. So blur the face and post the picture. The ball is headed toward the plate. You have a chance to salvage a base hit or whiff it. @samiam513 It isn't too late to edit them and throw the thread back up. We can move on. Keep dreaming. In their view, they did |
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I'm not going to get all pissed off about the picture being removed. The police released the statement from the family on the police website.
The family of PC Stuart Outten, the officer injured in Leyton, have released a media statement. The family said: "We have been overwhelmed by the amount of support we have received from the public, Stuart’s colleagues and the wider policing family. "We are incredibly proud of the bravery Stuart showed during the incident. His injuries could have been fatal and we are thankful that he is stable and recovering in hospital with his loved ones around him. "Stuart joined the Met straight from school and loves being a police officer and protecting the public. Although there are risks associated with his job, we would never have expected something like this to happen. "We are so grateful to the London Ambulance Service paramedics and hospital staff for their care and compassion. "We have been made aware of images circulating that show Stuart’s injuries and him recovering in hospital. "We would kindly ask the media and the public not to publish these images at what is already an extremely distressing time for us as a family. We would also ask the media to please respect our privacy at this difficult time." http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-from-family-of-pc-stuart-outten-377731 If a family anywhere asked for the same thing I could understand and go on with life without being too pissed off. |
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. View Quote I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don’t need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila’s and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. |
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I'm not going to get all pissed off about the picture being removed. The police released the statement from the family on the police website. The family of PC Stuart Outten, the officer injured in Leyton, have released a media statement. The family said: "We have been overwhelmed by the amount of support we have received from the public, Stuart’s colleagues and the wider policing family. "We are incredibly proud of the bravery Stuart showed during the incident. His injuries could have been fatal and we are thankful that he is stable and recovering in hospital with his loved ones around him. "Stuart joined the Met straight from school and loves being a police officer and protecting the public. Although there are risks associated with his job, we would never have expected something like this to happen. "We are so grateful to the London Ambulance Service paramedics and hospital staff for their care and compassion. "We have been made aware of images circulating that show Stuart’s injuries and him recovering in hospital. "We would kindly ask the media and the public not to publish these images at what is already an extremely distressing time for us as a family. We would also ask the media to please respect our privacy at this difficult time." http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-from-family-of-pc-stuart-outten-377731 If a family anywhere asked for the same thing I could understand a go on with life without being too pissed off. View Quote |
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Weird, did someone change my avatar? It was this a few minutes ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ECF5F588-2555-4B37-87DF-DEF45C231B0F-1051683.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/367483/I_m_in_danger-1051760.jpg View Quote Do you guys see American flag or the Bobby looking over the wall for my avatar? |
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The family of PC Stuart Outten, the officer injured in Leyton, have released a media statement. "We have been made aware of images circulating that show Stuart’s injuries and him recovering in hospital. "We would kindly ask the media and the public not to publish these images at what is already an extremely distressing time for us as a family. We would also ask the media to please respect our privacy at this difficult time." View Quote |
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They'll just keep locking threads until they decide that's too much trouble, then they'll just start banning dissidents like good little commies.
I've stuck up for the mods here over the years, but this is bullshit. Fuck it, I'll watch it burn to the ground just like Rome. |
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Quoted: @striker At this point, you still do not understand why people here are disgusted, or are you just saying that? That"s a serious question that I am asking you to answer. To me, you made a horrible decision and I would like to know if you don't understand the backlash. Or, if you do, you can't admit that you made a mistake or if you believe that you were 100% correct? If the same situation comes up again will you make the same decision? Maybe it is an American thing, but I am ashamed and disgusted by your decision and I'm sorry you cannot understand our frustration. View Quote I stand by my decision and as you can see from floridacops post..the request was on behalf of the officers family. If you folks are pissy because you think your ability to look at graphic pics is more important then helping a family get past a terrible violent incident..I don't know what to tell you. |
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Slippery slope.
I can understand the family’s wishes but words and pictures that are tough to read or see are often what needs to be protected the most. There is no need to protect speech that everyone agrees with. |
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From my understanding, it wasn't any government but a police department that made the request to remove the pictures of a fallen officer. The topic is still able to to be discussed, but out of respect for the family of the officer, pics have been remove. There is no grand conspiracy as much as y'all want there to be. We have many law enforcement and military (active, retired, reserve) members, mods and staff as part of the ARFCOM family. Many year ago after 9/11, EdSr who is a Vietnam veteran made a rule, no posting of wounded, fallen or injured military. As an Army veteran, I concur with that. 1) these people have families as do I. I wouldn't want my wife and daughter seeing my bloodied body in the news or online. I wouldn't want your family to see yours. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don't need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila's and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don't need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila's and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. Can you enlighten the investors on the rules regarding police asking for pictures to be removed from private posts? Steps you take to ensure the email is not a spoofed address? Steps you take to ensure private speech is not silenced? Steps taken to ensure that the content of the poster's speech is not being silenced for the benefit of the government that the police serve? Can we we get some clarity? Is that too much to ask for? |
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I made that comment because this went from GD mad at me for editing out some pics to a muslim invasion.. I stand by my decision and as you can see from floridacops post..the request was on behalf of the officers family. If you folks are pissy because you think your ability to look at graphic pics is more important then helping a family get past a terrible violent incident..I don't know what to tell you. View Quote |
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don't need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila's and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. Let it go. Seriously. |
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Parliament, the Queen, the royal family or an official from MI6 did not make the request. It was the local police department on behalf of the family of a fallen officer. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Is your life so mundane that you must look at everything through the tainted glasses of a grand conspiracy? Let it go. Seriously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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i cant decide if I'm madder about this or the crybaby getting the Vixen 7 thread taking down and trying to defend his actions instead of just being quite. The thread getting locked after TBS post kinda pushed this ahead a little but its very close. But then again i dont care about the brit pics, them vixen pics were fire though.
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From my understanding, it wasn’t any government but a police department that made the request to remove the pictures of a fallen officer. The topic is still able to to be discussed, but out of respect for the family of the officer, pics have been remove. There is no grand conspiracy as much as y’all want there to be. We have many law enforcement and military (active, retired, reserve) members, mods and staff as part of the ARFCOM family. Many year ago after 9/11, EdSr who is a Vietnam veteran made a rule, no posting of wounded, fallen or injured military. As an Army veteran, I concur with that. 1) these people have families as do I. I wouldn’t want my wife and daughter seeing my bloodied body in the news or online. I wouldn’t want your family to see yours. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don’t need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila’s and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don’t need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila’s and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. |
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Parliament, the Queen, the royal family or an official from MI6 did not make the request. It was the local police department on behalf of the family of a fallen officer. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Is your life so mundane that you must look at everything through the tainted glasses of a grand conspiracy? Let it go. Seriously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don't need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila's and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. Let it go. Seriously. |
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Parliament, the Queen, the royal family or an official from MI6 did not make the request. It was the local police department on behalf of the family of a fallen officer. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Is your life so mundane that you must look at everything through the tainted glasses of a grand conspiracy? Let it go. Seriously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Count me as another member in good standing who vehemently disagrees with the censorship of that thread and the increasingly heavy handed moderation. Please don't ruin one of the last good places left on the internet. I have lost friends that I served with, family members and friends that were LEO. I KNOW the pain, heartbreak and mourning they go through. They don't need a constant reminder of the incident just so you can satisfy your need for information. The information is there and available should you want to take the time to look for it. But as for me, the Avila's and the staff and mods of this site, we will respect the wishes and request of this fallen officers command, friends, comrades and family. If you see a vast conspiracy in that and feel it violates your rights and freedom of speech, well, perhaps that say more about you and your integrity than it does about ours. Let it go. Seriously. |
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i cant decide if I'm madder about this or the crybaby getting the Vixen 7 thread taking down and trying to defend his actions instead of just being quite. The thread getting locked after TBS post kinda pushed this ahead a little but its very close. But then again i dont care about the brit pics, them vixen pics were fire though. View Quote |
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Would you honestly want a picture of your loved one in a horrible situation posted here, on GD? Seriously. Doesn't matter whether or not they are here watching, they found out the picture was here and it bothered them. As a courtesy, they took it down. They did not want him identified, for whatever reason. I may be wrong, but I really don't think this is the end of ARF. If it were to become a pattern, then yeah I would be upset and angry. I just see this as ARF extending a courtesy to a family under some stress. I don't see it as a global cabal bent on neutering ARF and putting us back under dominion of the Crown. View Quote |
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