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And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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President Trump is as well. I just saw two commie liberals lambast Trump for saying he is a nationalist. Of course they lie and try to associate nationalist with racist, Hitler and puppy killers. My country (USA) is not the oldest on Earth but we are the best. I want Germany to be Germany...not a country over run by muslim invaders. The same goes for other European countries. They have their culture, language, etc that needs to remain uniquely their own. There are many cesspool third world countries. Their citizens need to man up and fix their problems and try to achieve a modicum of MAGA equivalency. Stop invading other countries to ruin them. |
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The United States was never a “nation state” in the sense of the term’s origin and meaning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nationalism and patriotism often overlap, but aren't quite the same idea. But nationalism used to be common in the world, and especially in America. Americans leaders used to put American interest above anything else, and we were a better country for it. After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school. As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism. |
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Quoted: American 100%. I was just wondering bc some (not all) nationalists have racist tendencies. Hint: Nationalism and Racists are like a Venn Diagram. NOT ALL Nationalists are racists but most racists would consider themselves nationalists (and that's including Black Nationalists, White Nationalists, etc..) We're talking about historical definitions that have been used for hundreds of years. You can't just call yourself a term that has been defined for centuries and argue that your definition is different than the long established one. This isn't one of those terms one can easily dismiss naysayers as "The modern media has changed the definition, don't listen to that" because we're talking hundreds of years of the same definition. |
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Quoted: Are you honestly serious? Seems like a bad faith question if you're truly asking that with even the smallest amount of sincerity. Hint: Nationalism and Racists are like a Venn Diagram. NOT ALL Nationalists are racists but most racists would consider themselves nationalists (and that's including Black Nationalists, White Nationalists, etc..) We're talking about historical definitions that have been used for hundreds of years. You can't just call yourself a term that has been defined for centuries and argue that your definition is different than the long established one. This isn't one of those terms one can easily dismiss naysayers as "The modern media has changed the definition, don't listen to that" because we're talking hundreds of years of the same definition. View Quote |
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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord.
This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord. Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge. But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions. These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway. With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives. |
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People are tribal, it's part of our nature.
For there to be a tribe, there has to be an "US" and a "THEM". Nothing wrong with putting the "US" first on a national level. |
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False. The United States became a Nation State the moment it adopted public education. After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school. As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nationalism and patriotism often overlap, but aren't quite the same idea. But nationalism used to be common in the world, and especially in America. Americans leaders used to put American interest above anything else, and we were a better country for it. After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school. As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism. The nation building concept that was pushed in that public schools was the aforementioned “Americanism.” From there, “American nationalist” is redundant. |
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Quoted: If you don't care that is not my problem. 30 million or so illegal Mexicans here need to go back to Mexico and fix their country. Wipe out the cartels. Make Mexico the great tourist mecca is can be without the violence of cartel criminals. View Quote |
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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord. This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord. Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge. But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions. These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway. With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives. View Quote I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is . |
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Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the “correct” meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version. I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord. This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord. Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge. But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions. These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway. With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives. I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is . |
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Quoted: That’s just my point, it’s not “The Left’s” version. You’ve just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as “The Left.” View Quote It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point. As an Americanist I refuse to accept newspeak ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist . Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech . |
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Where did you learn this “mainstream” definition? It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point. As an Americanist I refuse to accept newspeak ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist . Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That’s just my point, it’s not “The Left’s” version. You’ve just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as “The Left.” It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point. As an Americanist I refuse to accept newspeak ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist . Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech . Nationalism is a concept rooted in identity. Prussian nationalists believed that identity should be Prussian. German nationalist pushed for a broader identity. These concepts have been around with this understanding since at least the end of the 30 years war. People wrote about it constantly in the 19th century. Don’t complain of newspeak than participate in it yourself, it’s unbecoming. |
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If you look up Webster’s dictionary, (fascism, national socialism) requires putting the state over individual rights.
Anyone here put state rights over individual? Anyone? Anyone? Who let out all the crickets? Point that out next time, you believe in individual rights over the state. |
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If you look up Webster’s dictionary, (fascism, national socialism) requires putting the state over individual rights. Anyone here put state rights over individual? Anyone? Anyone? Who let out all the crickets? Point that out next time, you believe in individual rights over the state. View Quote Maybe it’s coming next, but it makes no sense in the context of this thread. |
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Patriotism: devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty Nationalism: devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism Yeah. Totally different. |
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So I guess all of you “Nationalists” support the Union side of the Civil War?
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No one said anything like that. Go troll somewhere else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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TIL the Founding Fathers were trash. Attached File |
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This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the "Right" acting in a way that divides and creates discord. Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can't have a unified national identity without a common language. That's one strength the US has always had going for it. I'm just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge. View Quote The Right didn't choose the term, and no matter what anyone actually says or does the term will continue to be applied, correctly or more likely incorrectly, by the MSM. It shouldn't be a surprise to see some number of people begin to do something other than cower at the label, even to the point of embracing and trying to change the narrative surrounding the term. |
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That's just my point, it's not "The Left's" version. You've just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as "The Left." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious "Left" for trying to divide the American people and create discord. This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the "Right" acting in a way that divides and creates discord. Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can't have a unified national identity without a common language. That's one strength the US has always had going for it. I'm just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge. But, it's quite common. And we've seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an "in group" which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions. These days, we are told that when politicians say "Democracy" they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn't about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn't about fairness. Even "fairness" isn't about fairness, because it's a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn't mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway. With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it's gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives. I'll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is . |
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Are you saying Hispanic Americans can’t be nationalists? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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President Trump is as well. I just saw two commie liberals lambast Trump for saying he is a nationalist. Of course they lie and try to associate nationalist with racist, Hitler and puppy killers. My country (USA) is not the oldest on Earth but we are the best. I want Germany to be Germany...not a country over run by muslim invaders. The same goes for other European countries. They have their culture, language, etc that needs to remain uniquely their own. There are many cesspool third world countries. Their citizens need to man up and fix their problems and try to achieve a modicum of MAGA equivalency. Stop invading other countries to ruin them. |
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Trump is an Opportunist
the lesser of 2 evils in the next election Julius Caesar built 2 walls in one winter to solve his problems. |
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Quoted: And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering. View Quote If you're the former we can be friends. If you're the latter you can get bent. IDGAF what color, heritage, religion, or who you want to fuck...If you value to He Constitution and Liberty and our history and values...you're ok. If you dont...then I view you as an enemy. |
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A Nationalist is one who believes in and supports the idea of Nationalism.
A Patriot is not someone who supports the IDEA of Patriotism. A Patriot is someone who loves their Country. A Nationalist is not the same thing as a “National.” I don’t think there is such a thing as a “Patriotist.” |
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A Nationalist is one who believes in and supports the idea of Nationalism. A Patriot is not someone who supports the IDEA of Patriotism. A Patriot is someone who loves their Country. A Nationalist is not the same thing as a “National.” I don’t think there is such a thing as a “Patriotist.” View Quote and? |
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I dont give two shits what it is called but I want:
- strict border enforcement - strict and limited vetting process for immigrants. They must speak English and assimilate as Americans. You go flying your crap home country flag and you can get sent home. Also, they can not be on any form of government assistance....ever. If they need assistance then GTFO and go home to your homeland and let them pay. - finally they must have some sort of skill that improves this country. Welder, doctor, I dont give a fuck...something USEFUL. If not, you dont get to be an American. |
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A Nationalist is one who believes in and supports the idea of Nationalism. A Patriot is not someone who supports the IDEA of Patriotism. A Patriot is someone who loves their Country. A Nationalist is not the same thing as a “National.” I don’t think there is such a thing as a “Patriotist.” and? For example, I have friends and coworkers who are "Islamic." But I consider anyone who is an "Islamist" to be my enemy. |
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"Nationalism is an ideology and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty over its homeland." Don't see anything about race in the definition
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"Nationalism is an ideology and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty over its homeland." Don't see anything about race in the definition View Quote I've been assured that the education system has been teaching nationalist=fascist/racist for decades. If you don't agree , you're a newspeak perpetrator. You are allowed to be pro government since the government IS the "real" country. Anything else is racist |
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Quoted: Pffft, you're just another uneducated rube. I've been assured that the education system has been teaching nationalist=fascist/racist for decades. If you don't agree , you're a newspeak perpetrator. You are allowed to be pro government since the government IS the "real" country. Anything else is racist View Quote |
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Quoted: Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the “correct” meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version. I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is . View Quote |
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I like Americanism, I'm going to start using that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: La Raza is actually a good example of a nationalist movement - they advocate and advance a national identity rooted in Spanish linguistic and mestizo genetic heritage. It’s similar to the party line Mexican national identity built/manufactured after their revolution, so they probably just stole it from there. It seems limited to the US though, nobody in Latin America, let alone Mexico, really seems to give a shit about them. The more radical nationalist movements in Latin America reject Spanish as a European imperialist legacy but can’t really seem to find a unifying alternative (in part because no real historical basis exists). View Quote |
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